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>> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Sir Gordalot on Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:37 pm

Just suggesting (not sure if it has been already brought up) that we should be able to leave responses to people's ratings that have been left for us. (like a text box under each rating to fill in)

For example recently in a game i was holding S.A. and australia in a game, with a clear advantage i would have won the game within 2 or 3 rounds... yellow cashed a set and took me out of australia and saved the game for everybody else. i said in chat "nice play yellow" another very observant player took that to mean I was in a secret alliance and left me all 1's as ratings... (even if i was in an alliance the 1 under attendence was completely unfounded since i never missed a turn and it was the incompetent player leaving the rating that was slowing down the game)

I know a lot of people have their complaints and complements about the new system and I think just simply being able to say "this person has no clue what they are talking about" under the bad ratings would fix a lot of the problems
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Re: Way To Fix Problems with Ratings Abuse

Postby The Fuzzy Pengui on Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:46 pm

Went ahead and moved this on over to Suggs & Bugs for ya.

It might be locked because I think there's already a thread about it, but I'll let the fine people here handle it for ya ;)
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Re: Way To Fix Problems with Ratings Abuse

Postby Sir Gordalot on Tue Jun 24, 2008 5:48 pm

thanks, just threw it in general discussion... wasnt sure where to put it
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Re: Way To Fix Problems with Ratings Abuse

Postby cicero on Tue Jun 24, 2008 6:10 pm

I understand how you feel Sir G, but one of the benefits of benefits of ratings as I see it is that random/spiteful/inaccurate ratings like this are accounted for over time.

Right now this 1,1,1 has maybe brought you down from a 4.9 to a 4.5. But no-one is going to avoid playing you because of it.
And it only made even that much difference because right now you only have 10 contributory ratings. Once you have more - 20, 50, 100 ... the odd random random/spiteful/inaccurate one isn't going to make any difference. No one is going to scan through all your ratings to see if you ever got a 1,1,1.

They'll see 4.8 overall. Maybe take a peek and see your individual Fair Play, Attendance, Attitude and Teamwork ratings, but they won't go any further than that.

Given that the Ratings guidance in Instructions says ...
The number of stars given should be based on this scale: 1 = Bad, 2 = Below Average, 3 = Average, 4 = Above Average, 5 = Excellent.

... you're still considered "well above average, borderline excellent" which seems fine to me :)
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Re: Way To Fix Problems with Ratings Abuse

Postby Sir Gordalot on Tue Jun 24, 2008 7:55 pm

yes i understand that, and the response box doesnt help or hurt that. it simply gives you a chance to explain the low ratings that you dont agree with to people who bother to look
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Re: Way To Fix Problems with Ratings Abuse

Postby hulmey on Tue Jun 24, 2008 9:50 pm

cicero wrote:I understand how you feel Sir G, but one of the benefits of benefits of ratings as I see it is that random/spiteful/inaccurate ratings like this are accounted for over time.

Right now this 1,1,1 has maybe brought you down from a 4.9 to a 4.5. But no-one is going to avoid playing you because of it.
And it only made even that much difference because right now you only have 10 contributory ratings. Once you have more - 20, 50, 100 ... the odd random random/spiteful/inaccurate one isn't going to make any difference. No one is going to scan through all your ratings to see if you ever got a 1,1,1.

They'll see 4.8 overall. Maybe take a peek and see your individual Fair Play, Attendance, Attitude and Teamwork ratings, but they won't go any further than that.

Given that the Ratings guidance in Instructions says ...
The number of stars given should be based on this scale: 1 = Bad, 2 = Below Average, 3 = Average, 4 = Above Average, 5 = Excellent.

... you're still considered "well above average, borderline excellent" which seems fine to me :)


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Re: Way To Fix Problems with Ratings Abuse

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Jun 25, 2008 12:05 pm

Edited:

A decent idea.
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Re: Allow written response to ratings

Postby Frop on Wed Jun 25, 2008 5:13 pm

Sir Gordalot wrote:Just suggesting (not sure if it has been already brought up) that we should be able to leave responses to people's ratings that have been left for us. (like a text box under each rating to fill in)

Yet again we used to have a feedback system that met these requirements. #-o
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby antony.trupe on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:20 pm

The issue with being able to type whatever you like is that people did just that, and it had to be moderated.
The new ratings system takes all the free will away, and people hate having free will removed, but it also removes the load on the admins of moderating all the bad feedback.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby gloryordeath on Wed Jun 25, 2008 11:34 pm

I think it would be a good idea it you could commit on bad feed back. At the same time this will cause at least some more load on the mods. If people can type anything they want there will be some abuse.
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Re: >> Allow written response for ratings

Postby cicero on Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:21 am

Guys, have you seen lack's recent post Descriptive tags for ratings ?
I think it may well be the beginnings of something that combines the benefits of ratings with the expression of feedback ...
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Re: >> Allow written response for ratings

Postby hulmey on Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:25 am

cicero wrote:Guys, have you seen lack's recent post Descriptive tags on ratings ?
I think it may well be the beginnings of something that combines the benefits of ratings with the expression of feedback ...


theres nothing good at all about the new ratings. better off we had nothing at all.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu Jun 26, 2008 12:57 pm

gloryordeath wrote:I think it would be a good idea it you could commit on bad feed back. At the same time this will cause at least some more load on the mods. If people can type anything they want there will be some abuse.

I'd like to assume that if we were to allow written responses to ratings/tags, we wouldn't moderate them...as they would be you typing on your own page...thus representative entirely of yourself. If you make yourself to be a loud mouthed ass that whines and complains, it's all on your page and not anyone elses. If you make yourself to be a courteous responder, again, it would be representative of yourself, on your own page.

One of the problems with the old feedback, was that OTHER people could write on "your page..." putting things you disagree with/don't like. The only thing other people can do is leave you perhaps a bad rating, but you have a way to explain yourself...however you'd like to so do it.


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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Jun 26, 2008 1:06 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
One of the problems with the old feedback, was that OTHER people could write on "your page..." putting things you disagree with/don't like. The only thing other people can do is leave you perhaps a bad rating, but you have a way to explain yourself...however you'd like to so do it.
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I think that is a point some folks missed .... that in some ways, the negatives (and how one responded to them) often went a long way towards DISPROVING the comments. I mean if someone says this $#% cheated. Well, its probably the one LEAVING the comment I will put on my ignore list ... particularly if I see more of those type comments from that person.

Understand, I had 2 ratings removed. But, in retrospect ... leaving those 2 (as opposed to my 231 positives) would not have hurt me a bit.... and might have warned a few folks to avoid those 2 players.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby gloryordeath on Thu Jun 26, 2008 10:42 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
gloryordeath wrote:I think it would be a good idea it you could commit on bad feed back. At the same time this will cause at least some more load on the mods. If people can type anything they want there will be some abuse.

I'd like to assume that if we were to allow written responses to ratings/tags, we wouldn't moderate them...as they would be you typing on your own page...thus representative entirely of yourself. If you make yourself to be a loud mouthed ass that whines and complains, it's all on your page and not anyone elses. If you make yourself to be a courteous responder, again, it would be representative of yourself, on your own page.

One of the problems with the old feedback, was that OTHER people could write on "your page..." putting things you disagree with/don't like. The only thing other people can do is leave you perhaps a bad rating, but you have a way to explain yourself...however you'd like to so do it.


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Good point Andy I guess you would be the only one doing the wrighting so it might work out in the end. You can gain a lot of in site on a person just on how they respond to such things.
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