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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:35 pm

gloryordeath wrote:Good point Andy I guess you would be the only one doing the wrighting so it might work out in the end. You can gain a lot of in site on a person just on how they respond to such things.

I think this is the key point that the response may solve. It not only provides a way to write out feedback (which people want), but it also provides a method for people to review what a user has said in response to their ratings. I do recall a large number of people mentioning that they only read how a user responded to their feedback, and I think this takes the best of that...while leaving out some previous problems.


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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby MOBAJOBG on Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:24 pm

I'm waiting in anticipation for it to go live or to be implemented.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Lexitonia5 on Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:58 pm

If you kept the text box limited in size (similar to how its done on e-bay) than it would work nicely. If you want to share the whole story as you did in your post, you can put in on your wall and direct people there. Limited text will keep the ratings nice and uncluttered but give players a chance to defend themselves to some degree when they have been unfairly rated.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby roweshamboe on Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:10 pm

I would suggest no comments and just let the law of averages work itself out. If a person does not fit there bad review, later good reviews will bring them back to where they should be. Conversely if the person deserves the bad review, multiple bad reviews would appear.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Joodoo on Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:21 pm

so this is like ratings and feedback combined?
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby lexie3000 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:05 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
gloryordeath wrote:I think it would be a good idea it you could commit on bad feed back. At the same time this will cause at least some more load on the mods. If people can type anything they want there will be some abuse.

I'd like to assume that if we were to allow written responses to ratings/tags, we wouldn't moderate them...as they would be you typing on your own page...thus representative entirely of yourself. If you make yourself to be a loud mouthed ass that whines and complains, it's all on your page and not anyone elses. If you make yourself to be a courteous responder, again, it would be representative of yourself, on your own page.

One of the problems with the old feedback, was that OTHER people could write on "your page..." putting things you disagree with/don't like. The only thing other people can do is leave you perhaps a bad rating, but you have a way to explain yourself...however you'd like to so do it.


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so do i have this right? we'd have two opportunities for commentary - one related to the ratings and the other on the Wall. If the issue was the logistics of having to moderate negative and unpleasant comments wouldn't the simple answer have been to give each player the capability to delete unwanted comments and block their authors from further utterances?
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby yeti_c on Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:11 am

lexie3000 wrote:so do i have this right? we'd have two opportunities for commentary - one related to the ratings and the other on the Wall. If the issue was the logistics of having to moderate negative and unpleasant comments wouldn't the simple answer have been to give each player the capability to delete unwanted comments and block their authors from further utterances?


No - cos then no-one would have any negative comments... thus the feedback would be utterly useless.

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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby UpandRising on Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:38 pm

I was recently left some dodgy feedback for the third or fourth time in the short lifespan of this new feedback system.... i attempted to find out from the player concerned what had warranted his ratings.... and this is the discussion via PM:

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UpandRising wrote:please explain your ratings,fairplay 3 attendance 3 attitude 3 i won the game it was a 1v1 so no bad play, attendance played all my turns so how can you do any better, attitude did chat more then you but then again some players dont chat at all does not mean attitude is poor.how i rated you fair play 5 attendance 5 attitude 5 why again 1v1 no bad moves impossible because we are the only two players,you played all your turns how can you give less then 5 cant be average was i only there sometimes then,well i did chat more then you yet score less maybe i should have given you a 1 for the only sentence you put in the game.please reply as i will have know choice but to withdraw yours thanks mate upandrising


i give tha rating just to give the rating lets do one more game to correct that then


I think you'll agree, this is un justified and goes to prove that this system in its current state... just doesn't work.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby lexie3000 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:59 am

yeti_c wrote:
lexie3000 wrote:so do i have this right? we'd have two opportunities for commentary - one related to the ratings and the other on the Wall. If the issue was the logistics of having to moderate negative and unpleasant comments wouldn't the simple answer have been to give each player the capability to delete unwanted comments and block their authors from further utterances?


No - cos then no-one would have any negative comments... thus the feedback would be utterly useless.

C.


that begs the question. just how useful are negative comments anyway? i for one wouldn't bother removing negative comments and i'm sure there's quite a few others who aren't that precious about the negative comments they get either. but either way what's the big deal? allowing people the ability to delete negative comments would have solved the problem the moderators had with the system.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby CryWolf on Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:37 pm

Sir Gordalot wrote:Just suggesting (not sure if it has been already brought up) that we should be able to leave responses to people's ratings that have been left for us. (like a text box under each rating to fill in)

For example recently in a game i was holding S.A. and australia in a game, with a clear advantage i would have won the game within 2 or 3 rounds... yellow cashed a set and took me out of australia and saved the game for everybody else. i said in chat "nice play yellow" another very observant player took that to mean I was in a secret alliance and left me all 1's as ratings... (even if i was in an alliance the 1 under attendence was completely unfounded since i never missed a turn and it was the incompetent player leaving the rating that was slowing down the game)

I know a lot of people have their complaints and complements about the new system and I think just simply being able to say "this person has no clue what they are talking about" under the bad ratings would fix a lot of the problems


yes, yes, but we want to be able to leave details in ratings that we give people, too!
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Joodoo on Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:02 pm

written responses to ratings are not enough, ratings and feedback should be completely incorporated so we have all of the elements of the two systems...
but I'm not sure if that's possible...
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby eye84free on Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:37 am

if this is done it should be a mandatory thing.. meaning. if u rate some one less then 5 stars it should prompt u leave a comment on why. and if u leave 5 stars then it should be an option to leave a comment or not to. i dont belive it should be a clear cut to just leave a rate and move on.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby alstergren on Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:41 am

I don't believe that this is a good thing. The new star system is a nice, easy thing. Easy to use and read, easy for the moderators to moderate (as they don't have to moderate). Introducing comments, nah. Stars will even out in the long-run.

Better to introduce a moderation function. If people get 3-3-3 they shouldn't complain. Rather perhaps the 1-1-1 occassions. Introducing a moderation function for such scores, why not? Wouldn't take that much time (as most people are not complete jerks) and would be reasonably quick to moderate.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby lancehoch on Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:11 am

This seems to have gotten way off topic. The point of the suggestion is not to allow people to say something when they leave a rating. Rather, it is to allow you to say something when someone else rates you. For example, you are left 1-1-1, then you can comment saying the guy is just leaving the rating because you killed him first in the game.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Cuteyoshi on Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:20 pm

I got a 1,1,1 because I beat someone twice in a row.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Shelter417 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 5:43 pm

I'm sorry, but even this is no magical solution. Not only does it inconvenience the slighted player (who has to put more effort into negating the unfair feedback than the abuser did), but sometimes you just don't know why the person slammed you. Was it because they didn't like your tactics? Because they're just a sore loser? Because you genuinely did something wrong?

I tend to take a lot of calculated risks, and when the dice backfire, people seem to be retaliating by leaving poor rankings. Before, that wasn't really a problem, because people knew that they'd sound stupid leaving feedback that criticized a valid strategy that just happened to backfire. Now people can take out their petty greivances, paranoid suspicions of secret alliances, and simple frustration with losing points on other players with impunity.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby PLAYER57832 on Mon Jul 07, 2008 7:18 pm

lexie3000 wrote:
yeti_c wrote:
lexie3000 wrote:so do i have this right? we'd have two opportunities for commentary - one related to the ratings and the other on the Wall. If the issue was the logistics of having to moderate negative and unpleasant comments wouldn't the simple answer have been to give each player the capability to delete unwanted comments and block their authors from further utterances?


No - cos then no-one would have any negative comments... thus the feedback would be utterly useless.

C.


that begs the question. just how useful are negative comments anyway? i for one wouldn't bother removing negative comments and i'm sure there's quite a few others who aren't that precious about the negative comments they get either. but either way what's the big deal? allowing people the ability to delete negative comments would have solved the problem the moderators had with the system.

I would say that OVER 99.9% of CC players are wonderful folks. But, those 0.1% can be real jerks. I had one guy recently post on my wall AND pm me several times (before I blocked him) some pretty nasty comments ... why?

Because I waited all of 5 minutes to join a casual game ... and then said (granted, I should have said nothing) that insulting someone was probably not the way to get folks to speed up.
Out of several thousand games, I have only had maybe 3 bad experiences.

Under the old system, I would have given him a negative saying, essentially, this guy is a jerk, avoid. And a lot of folks would/could. Now .... no one knows the difference between my 1's and his. Except that mine will be buried under a ton of positives.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Shelter417 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 6:25 am

Exactly! Under the old system, there was a clear difference between someone with a rating of 6-6 and one of 58-6. Now they could theoretically have much the same rating.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby acespirit99 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:57 pm

I have a complaint. I am normally very quiet, but this star system has issues.
I finished playing a game and one player "sneedorien" gave EVERYONE 1 star?
Now lets look at this star issue.....
If you NEVER miss a turn than you should get 5 stars for Attendance. What else is there?? We all get 24 hours to take our turn and the time shouldn't matter, some of us wrok or go to school. So WHY would anyone get 1 star if they do not miss a turn??

Fair Play, this is a subjective one. I feel that if no one gangs up on someone or picks on just one player this should also be 5 stars. But I can see someone giving 4 or even 3 if they thought they were picked on.. (For the record, I didn't even attack that guy that much, I wasn't the one that took him out).

Attitude, another subjective one... This I think should come from the game chat. If they say nothing, well maybe they should get 2 starts, or maybe not. If they talk trash and complain then, hell YES they should get 1 star. This guy sneedorien is an example of a sore looser... To this moment I have lost many games and have given 5 stars to almost everone. Except one guy that missed 2 turns I gave him only 3 on attendance.

Sorry guys I think this system is too flawed. Sore loosers make some of us players look bad. I know not everyone will give 5, but let the punishment fit the crime.

Acespirit99

By the way THIS is his reply to my email to him
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From: sneedorien
To: acespirit99

i gave you bad ratings because i am a sore loser
i have bad sportsmanship

shit happens man

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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby PLAYER57832 on Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:13 pm

acespirit99 wrote:I have a complaint. I am normally very quiet, but this star system has issues.
I finished playing a game and one player "sneedorien" gave EVERYONE 1 star?
Now lets look at this star issue.....
If you NEVER miss a turn than you should get 5 stars for Attendance. What else is there?? We all get 24 hours to take our turn and the time shouldn't matter, some of us wrok or go to school. So WHY would anyone get 1 star if they do not miss a turn??

Fair Play, this is a subjective one. I feel that if no one gangs up on someone or picks on just one player this should also be 5 stars. But I can see someone giving 4 or even 3 if they thought they were picked on.. (For the record, I didn't even attack that guy that much, I wasn't the one that took him out).

Attitude, another subjective one... This I think should come from the game chat. If they say nothing, well maybe they should get 2 starts, or maybe not. If they talk trash and complain then, hell YES they should get 1 star. This guy sneedorien is an example of a sore looser... To this moment I have lost many games and have given 5 stars to almost everone. Except one guy that missed 2 turns I gave him only 3 on attendance.

Sorry guys I think this system is too flawed. Sore loosers make some of us players look bad. I know not everyone will give 5, but let the punishment fit the crime.

Acespirit99

which is probably why Lack began several threads specifically asking for suggestions to fic the problem
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Zeltania on Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:51 pm

I completely agree, there are some people who have given me below average when there was nothing said, yet under the current system sore loosers can give whoever they want a bad rating and there is no way we can defend ourselves.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby saaimen on Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:12 am

Here's one more option.
How about having the chance to mark bad ratings (1,1,1, or even a single 1) as 'undeserved' (or some catchier word)?
There will always be jerks leaving everyone all 1's and stuff, how about we give them a medal for it? "Left 20/50/100 incorrect ratings"... Or maybe a marker on the player's profile page or something? This way less people will be jerks. And it could go together with the comment system.
(Only obstacle: some people might tag all their bad ratings as injustified... But since those all came from different people, they won't quickly turn those players into 'wrong raters'. Right?)
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby OliverFA on Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:54 am

I agree. Low ratings should be allowe to be answered.

In game http://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?gam ... full_log=Y I kill billydigital and then he gives me low ratings. Isn't that unfair?

Or even better. Ratings lower than 3 should be justified with a written text that someone could check and decide if the player really deserves that low rating, or he is just receiving retaliatory low ratings.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Zeltania on Wed Jul 23, 2008 10:14 pm

DAMN STRAIGHT!!!

I have the right to answer back towards a rating that is completely unfair, it doesn't have to be mandatory, it can be optional if people want to comment back.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby sailorjoe on Thu Jul 24, 2008 8:59 am

One of the problems I see with the rating system is the ease of rating with no consequence for unfair ratings. There are enough losers out there that you're bound to run into a few. When they leave you 1's and 2'a because you beat them, it takes many 5's to offset those bad ratings. The comment section at least gave you a recourse for a bad ranking. It also made the person leaving the comment validate why they did so. With three mouse clicks a disgruntled player can leave you a bad ranking.
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