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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:35 pm

gloryordeath wrote:Good point Andy I guess you would be the only one doing the wrighting so it might work out in the end. You can gain a lot of in site on a person just on how they respond to such things.

I think this is the key point that the response may solve. It not only provides a way to write out feedback (which people want), but it also provides a method for people to review what a user has said in response to their ratings. I do recall a large number of people mentioning that they only read how a user responded to their feedback, and I think this takes the best of that...while leaving out some previous problems.


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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby MOBAJOBG on Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:24 pm

I'm waiting in anticipation for it to go live or to be implemented.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Lexitonia5 on Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:58 pm

If you kept the text box limited in size (similar to how its done on e-bay) than it would work nicely. If you want to share the whole story as you did in your post, you can put in on your wall and direct people there. Limited text will keep the ratings nice and uncluttered but give players a chance to defend themselves to some degree when they have been unfairly rated.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby roweshamboe on Sun Jun 29, 2008 10:10 pm

I would suggest no comments and just let the law of averages work itself out. If a person does not fit there bad review, later good reviews will bring them back to where they should be. Conversely if the person deserves the bad review, multiple bad reviews would appear.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Joodoo on Sun Jun 29, 2008 11:21 pm

so this is like ratings and feedback combined?
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby lexie3000 on Tue Jul 01, 2008 6:05 am

AndyDufresne wrote:
gloryordeath wrote:I think it would be a good idea it you could commit on bad feed back. At the same time this will cause at least some more load on the mods. If people can type anything they want there will be some abuse.

I'd like to assume that if we were to allow written responses to ratings/tags, we wouldn't moderate them...as they would be you typing on your own page...thus representative entirely of yourself. If you make yourself to be a loud mouthed ass that whines and complains, it's all on your page and not anyone elses. If you make yourself to be a courteous responder, again, it would be representative of yourself, on your own page.

One of the problems with the old feedback, was that OTHER people could write on "your page..." putting things you disagree with/don't like. The only thing other people can do is leave you perhaps a bad rating, but you have a way to explain yourself...however you'd like to so do it.


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so do i have this right? we'd have two opportunities for commentary - one related to the ratings and the other on the Wall. If the issue was the logistics of having to moderate negative and unpleasant comments wouldn't the simple answer have been to give each player the capability to delete unwanted comments and block their authors from further utterances?
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby yeti_c on Tue Jul 01, 2008 8:11 am

lexie3000 wrote:so do i have this right? we'd have two opportunities for commentary - one related to the ratings and the other on the Wall. If the issue was the logistics of having to moderate negative and unpleasant comments wouldn't the simple answer have been to give each player the capability to delete unwanted comments and block their authors from further utterances?


No - cos then no-one would have any negative comments... thus the feedback would be utterly useless.

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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby UpandRising on Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:38 pm

I was recently left some dodgy feedback for the third or fourth time in the short lifespan of this new feedback system.... i attempted to find out from the player concerned what had warranted his ratings.... and this is the discussion via PM:

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UpandRising wrote:please explain your ratings,fairplay 3 attendance 3 attitude 3 i won the game it was a 1v1 so no bad play, attendance played all my turns so how can you do any better, attitude did chat more then you but then again some players dont chat at all does not mean attitude is poor.how i rated you fair play 5 attendance 5 attitude 5 why again 1v1 no bad moves impossible because we are the only two players,you played all your turns how can you give less then 5 cant be average was i only there sometimes then,well i did chat more then you yet score less maybe i should have given you a 1 for the only sentence you put in the game.please reply as i will have know choice but to withdraw yours thanks mate upandrising


i give tha rating just to give the rating lets do one more game to correct that then


I think you'll agree, this is un justified and goes to prove that this system in its current state... just doesn't work.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby lexie3000 on Wed Jul 02, 2008 12:59 am

yeti_c wrote:
lexie3000 wrote:so do i have this right? we'd have two opportunities for commentary - one related to the ratings and the other on the Wall. If the issue was the logistics of having to moderate negative and unpleasant comments wouldn't the simple answer have been to give each player the capability to delete unwanted comments and block their authors from further utterances?


No - cos then no-one would have any negative comments... thus the feedback would be utterly useless.

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that begs the question. just how useful are negative comments anyway? i for one wouldn't bother removing negative comments and i'm sure there's quite a few others who aren't that precious about the negative comments they get either. but either way what's the big deal? allowing people the ability to delete negative comments would have solved the problem the moderators had with the system.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby CryWolf on Wed Jul 02, 2008 6:37 pm

Sir Gordalot wrote:Just suggesting (not sure if it has been already brought up) that we should be able to leave responses to people's ratings that have been left for us. (like a text box under each rating to fill in)

For example recently in a game i was holding S.A. and australia in a game, with a clear advantage i would have won the game within 2 or 3 rounds... yellow cashed a set and took me out of australia and saved the game for everybody else. i said in chat "nice play yellow" another very observant player took that to mean I was in a secret alliance and left me all 1's as ratings... (even if i was in an alliance the 1 under attendence was completely unfounded since i never missed a turn and it was the incompetent player leaving the rating that was slowing down the game)

I know a lot of people have their complaints and complements about the new system and I think just simply being able to say "this person has no clue what they are talking about" under the bad ratings would fix a lot of the problems


yes, yes, but we want to be able to leave details in ratings that we give people, too!
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Joodoo on Wed Jul 02, 2008 10:02 pm

written responses to ratings are not enough, ratings and feedback should be completely incorporated so we have all of the elements of the two systems...
but I'm not sure if that's possible...
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby eye84free on Thu Jul 03, 2008 12:37 am

if this is done it should be a mandatory thing.. meaning. if u rate some one less then 5 stars it should prompt u leave a comment on why. and if u leave 5 stars then it should be an option to leave a comment or not to. i dont belive it should be a clear cut to just leave a rate and move on.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby alstergren on Thu Jul 03, 2008 3:41 am

I don't believe that this is a good thing. The new star system is a nice, easy thing. Easy to use and read, easy for the moderators to moderate (as they don't have to moderate). Introducing comments, nah. Stars will even out in the long-run.

Better to introduce a moderation function. If people get 3-3-3 they shouldn't complain. Rather perhaps the 1-1-1 occassions. Introducing a moderation function for such scores, why not? Wouldn't take that much time (as most people are not complete jerks) and would be reasonably quick to moderate.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby lancehoch on Thu Jul 03, 2008 6:11 am

This seems to have gotten way off topic. The point of the suggestion is not to allow people to say something when they leave a rating. Rather, it is to allow you to say something when someone else rates you. For example, you are left 1-1-1, then you can comment saying the guy is just leaving the rating because you killed him first in the game.
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Re: >> Allow written response to ratings

Postby Cuteyoshi on Mon Jul 07, 2008 4:20 pm

I got a 1,1,1 because I beat someone twice in a row.
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