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Re: Fortificateing Suggestion.

Postby Androidz on Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:19 am

yeti_c wrote:It's a good idea - (I think it's already been suggested though)

The main problem I can see - (Unless you use Chips idea) is that users might get confused with the missing territories.

Chip's idea is better - as the territory list is always complete... and the number drop down changes - which is not used as a point of reference.

C.


I think most would understand after a few games, and it isint that hard to understand. But a other way of doing it is to set it as Filter on control panel: From Easy Fortifcateing [v] to Moderate For...[x]

And as confusing as you say it is i really dont think it is but if i hear more complains, i use chipv idea only.
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Re: tweak to the fortification dropdowns [Done]

Postby lackattack on Fri Feb 06, 2009 2:58 pm

Good suggestion potiusmori, benjikat and Androidz. It is now live :)

Also made it default to max # of armies, as suggested here: Fort All Armies, not One

This should cut down on the number of clicks and associated cases of carpal tunnel syndrome.

Long live reinforcements!
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby BeakerWMA on Fri Feb 06, 2009 3:11 pm

awesome!
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby puce on Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:39 pm

Excellent! I was pleased to notice the change when I played my last turn.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby OutSider on Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:40 pm

works great
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Fireside Poet on Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:45 pm

Great - I'm so used to hitting my "End" key to go to the max in that field and now it only forts 1 when I do it... :P Time to retrain the fingers! :D
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby sully800 on Fri Feb 06, 2009 4:58 pm

I was confused for a few seconds but I think it was a nice and simple change!
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Halmir on Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:01 pm

I'm loving the change :D
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby eye84free on Fri Feb 06, 2009 6:53 pm

i dont like the place of the army box. i personal think its easier on the far left side then in the middle of the screen
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Artimis on Fri Feb 06, 2009 7:50 pm

I like the change you made guys. Also hats off and a big round of applause to the players that suggested it! =D> =D> =D>
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Natewolfman on Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:14 pm

going to take some getting used to! but a great one, thanks lack/guys who suggested it :)
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby R0k0v on Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:46 pm

army count box was better on the left
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby owenshooter on Fri Feb 06, 2009 9:51 pm

R0k0v wrote:army count box was better on the left

agree, don't really like this change. it is counter intuitive... sigh... the black jesus is disappointed...-0

p.s.-but thanks for the update lack. if you think it is for the best, i am sure i shall see the light... eventually...
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby InkL0sed on Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:39 pm

I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me.

Otherwise though, a good update.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Kotaro on Fri Feb 06, 2009 10:44 pm

InkL0sed wrote:I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me.

Otherwise though, a good update.


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Re: tweak to the fortification dropdowns [Done]

Postby potiusmori on Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:03 am

lackattack wrote:Good suggestion potiusmori, benjikat and Androidz. It is now live :)

Also made it default to max # of armies, as suggested here: Fort All Armies, not One

This should cut down on the number of clicks and associated cases of carpal tunnel syndrome.

Long live reinforcements!


oholycrap. i had forgotten i had even mentioned it... loving it though. thanks lack
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby owenshooter on Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:10 am

InkL0sed wrote:I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me. Otherwise though, a good update.

yes, can we please rethink that one aspect of it? it is confusing and counter intuitive... otherwise, a great change in gameplay... the black jesus has spoken...-0
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby sully800 on Sat Feb 07, 2009 12:16 am

owenshooter wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me. Otherwise though, a good update.

yes, can we please rethink that one aspect of it? it is confusing and counter intuitive... otherwise, a great change in gameplay... the black jesus has spoken...-0


It moved to the right, because the country you are fortifying from determines the number of armies that can be fortified, not the other way around.

It's counter intuitive because you are used to reading it as a sentence. Fortify X from Y to Z. Now you're still probably thinking that but the sentence has changed to Fortify from Y to Z, X armies. It may not be as neat, but its actually more logical to determine the from country first, then the to country, then the number

Give it a week or two and I imagine we'll all be used to it.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby magpies on Sat Feb 07, 2009 1:35 am

Good job guys,great improvment> =D>
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Androidz on Sat Feb 07, 2009 3:07 am

O.o, one of my suggestions actully came trough, even tough i wasen't first one to suggest it :lol:.

Anyway great update:)
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby owenshooter on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:08 am

sully800 wrote:
owenshooter wrote:
InkL0sed wrote:I don't see why the army box had to move to the right? Seems kind of pointless to me. Otherwise though, a good update.

yes, can we please rethink that one aspect of it? it is confusing and counter intuitive... otherwise, a great change in gameplay... the black jesus has spoken...-0


It moved to the right, because the country you are fortifying from determines the number of armies that can be fortified, not the other way around.

It's counter intuitive because you are used to reading it as a sentence. Fortify X from Y to Z. Now you're still probably thinking that but the sentence has changed to Fortify from Y to Z, X armies. It may not be as neat, but its actually more logical to determine the from country first, then the to country, then the number

Give it a week or two and I imagine we'll all be used to it.


sully, are you looking at the same thing i'm looking at on my games? i'm sorry but it makes far more sense to say, move x number of armies from Y to Z, than to say move Y to Z, x number of armies... if i look at a stack of apples that i want to move to a box. i am going to say, "move 3 apples from the stack, to the box. i'm not going to say, move apples to the box, 3 of them... maybe i'm not smart enough to understand what you are saying, but i am smart enough to know that it is counter intuitive... the black jesus has spoken...-0
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Johnny Crow on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:09 am

If it's not broke...don't fix it.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Rainman23 on Sat Feb 07, 2009 4:28 am

I like the old way better I think they should switch back from left to right!
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby Thezzaruz on Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:25 am

A small change that improves playability? I love it!
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> to all involved.



owenshooter wrote:i'm sorry but it makes far more sense to say, move x number of armies from Y to Z, than to say move Y to Z, x number of armies... if i look at a stack of apples that i want to move to a box. i am going to say, "move 3 apples from the stack, to the box. i'm not going to say, move apples to the box, 3 of them...


It just feels strange because you're not used to it and thus is forming the sentence based on the old system and not on your actual thought process, I think we all can agree that the first choice we make is "from where" and then consider "how many". And this change actually makes it more intuitive now IMO.
And your analogy falters as the numbers box doesn't know how many armies it can move until you have made a choice in the from box. Your suggestion would lead to people having to make a choice in the middle box (from) and then having to retrace their steps to the left box to choose how many, now we just go from left to right.

+ everything that sully said.
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Re: Fortification dropdowns (merged) [Done]

Postby owenshooter on Sat Feb 07, 2009 10:38 am

Thezzaruz wrote:A small change that improves playability? I love it!
=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> to all involved.



owenshooter wrote:It just feels strange because you're not used to it and thus is forming the sentence based on the old system and not on your actual thought process, I think we all can agree that the first choice we make is "from where" and then consider "how many". And this change actually makes it more intuitive now IMO.
And your analogy falters as the numbers box doesn't know how many armies it can move until you have made a choice in the from box. Your suggestion would lead to people having to make a choice in the middle box (from) and then having to retrace their steps to the left box to choose how many, now we just go from left to right.

+ everything that sully said.


i'm talking about in the final fortifications phase, not during the attacks.. during the attacks, it is WONDERFUL. when you are making reenfrocements, it is counter intuitive, period. just took another turn, and it is just silly.
you fly through with the new change, and it is great. then you end attacks, and you have to switch the thought process to move your troops around... it just makes zero sense... you now attack and fortify 2 seperate ways in
the same boxes!!! how in the hell is that "better"? it makes no sense. the black jesus has spoken.-0
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