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by **wicked** on Mon May 26, 2008 9:13 am

Tarzan & Chaka, be advised that you should only be playing each others' turns if one of you is in danger of missing a turn. Playing your teammates' account for strategic advantage is considered a violation of the multiple accounts rule. Don't make us have to take a close look at your accounts and block you. Understood? BTW, next time don't just ask random people on here what the rules are, ask a mod.

This is moved because I don't see a suggestion. As others have already stated, how we deal with multis is like that for a reason.

by **jbrettlip** on Mon May 26, 2008 9:25 am

wicked wrote:Tarzan & Chaka, be advised that you should only be playing each others' turns if one of you is in danger of missing a turn. Playing your teammates' account for strategic advantage is considered a violation of the multiple accounts rule. Don't make us have to take a close look at your accounts and block you. Understood? BTW, next time don't just ask random people on here what the rules are, ask a mod.

This is moved because I don't see a suggestion. As others have already stated, how we deal with multis is like that for a reason.

Wait, I thought that "rule" never came into being???

by **jbrettlip** on Mon May 26, 2008 9:33 am

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Oky doky folky.

We have come to a decision of sorts...

I moved, and the other admins agreed, to shelf this proposal at this time.

There has been a lot of controversy and very little agreement on what can, cannot, should, should not and GFY in this thread and in our private discussions.

While we recognize that a new rule is needed to curb abuse, there is also the need to maintain the casual side of playing ConquerClub.

So, what we are going to do is wait until we implement a formal sitting feature which will give you guys a much more pleasant sitting experience and us a framework in which to enforce a rule against strategic sitting without limiting casual sitting.

So, not only do you guys get to keep the casual sitting, you will also get new tools to make it easier, and hopefully a more abuse free gaming experience...but it has to wait until we can code the tools

Hopefully this is something we can live with for the next few months while we roll out our existing cycle of updates and get to this new feature.

Thank you all for your participation in this discussion. It was not always pretty, nor was it always constructive, but a lot of people got a lot of opinions out into the open.

Have a good one
Twill.

This thread will remain stuck for 24 more hours.by Twill
on Mon May 19, 2008 3:42 pm "

Hey, here is the actual ruling as opposed to the one the mod just posted. Glad I could be of help. I hate to see bad information.

PS I cleared out my inbox so I am ready for my warning.

by **wicked** on Mon May 26, 2008 9:34 am

What they're doing is strategic account sitting, which is a no-no. I can see how you'd be confused, but what they're doing isn't "casual account sitting", it's playing multiple accounts. Thanks for the quote, reread this part:

enforce a rule against strategic sitting

Feel free to ask twill, which I'm sure you will.

by **owenshooter** on Mon May 26, 2008 11:06 am

always nice when someone starts a thread about cheating, then admits to strategic baby sitting, which is a HUGE VIOLATION, in the same thread!! ha!!! hilarious!!! and once again it is shown that strategic baby sitting can only truly occur in freestyle games.-0

p.s.-where is JR when you need him?

by **Chaka** on Mon May 26, 2008 1:22 pm

JotsHobbes wrote:These two did this in one of my games and even though by CC's rules this is not techincally multi accounts its the same principal imo as someone with multiaccounts. If you don't believe me check there log/game history too.

Sure did happen in that game. I went camping for 2 days, and Tarzan took my turns for me. If he hadn't, I would have missed 2, possibly 3 turns, and it would have been basically team sabotage. Again, I don't see anything wrong with that.

Sometimes I hear people say 'then why did you start the game in the first place if you knew you were going out of town?' which is ridiculous. you never know how long a game is going to last outside of speed games. if you can have someone cover for you in those instances, then great. and to OWENSHOOTER, stop repeatedly slagging me for my comment. I said:

Sometimes teammates will log in as eachother at crucial moments in a game. I've seen it happen before, talked about it with others who have done it, and I don't think there's anything wrong with that.

You don't think 'crucial' could mean when a player is going to miss a turn? Because that's what I'm talking about. There are plenty of times where I could just go for Tarzan, but if i know he's going to be on later, then I wait. If it screws us, we'll figure out a way to come back. But don't sit around here taking what I said and turning it into saying that we're turn sitters or whatever the term people are using for this. You sound like the Clinton campaign.

But thanks for the attention. If there's any kind of attention Tarzan and I prefer, it's the negative kind.

by **Vace Cooper** on Mon May 26, 2008 2:07 pm

I think Owen is messing with you a little bit... We are true believers in the ways of babysitting partners turns.

by **jbrettlip** on Mon May 26, 2008 3:07 pm

Actually it seems this babysitting was going on in freestyle games. So I doubt Owen has any opinion on it. I know I don't. Maybe Twill's response should have differnciated between freestyle (strategic) and sequential (casual), because they are two very seperate issues. So the new "rule" is as ambiguous as the "unwritten" rule for now. I understand perfectly!

by **owenshooter** on Mon May 26, 2008 4:00 pm

Vace Cooper wrote:I think Owen is messing with you a little bit... We are true believers in the ways of babysitting partners turns.

no i'm not. i just spent 20 days trying to make sure the new rule they were proposing for baby sitting accounts was fair to doubles players. one of the huge sticking points was the refusal to differentiate between sequential and freestyle team play by lack and twill... nobody could prove how sequential teams gained a "STRATEGIC" advantage in game play, by baby sitting. and now, in this thread, these guys just show how rampant it is in freestyle, by openly admitting it and declaring it standard in freestyle team play! now they are back tracking about a camping trip or whatever. like it or not, freestyle teams abuse baby sitting, and it is wrong. these two guys were just "smart" enough to admit it in a thread and declare it as no big deal. these two abuse the system, and i hope they are watched closely in their upcoming games. and to be fair, please monitor me in my team games, also...-0

p.s.-jbrettlip, there is no new rule... yet... stop drinking so early in the day if you are going to troll the forums bashing mods.

by **wrestler1ump** on Mon May 26, 2008 4:06 pm

I feel the opposite way. I think Conquerclub is too hard on multis. The best thing would be to send a warning and maybe a one week ban, then if they are caught using multiple accounts again they must upgrade to premium as I did.

by **owenshooter** on Mon May 26, 2008 4:11 pm

Chaka wrote: and to OWENSHOOTER, stop repeatedly slagging me for my comment. I said:

i'm not slagging you. you admitted to strategic baby sitting in a thread where you declared someone else a cheater. you abuse baby sitting and one of your opponents even had his say about it. again, i hope the mods watch this pair closely, as they are the type of team you should be going after for gaining a strategic advantage (freestyle team play), and not after sequential team players. again, i invite you to watch my games too...-0

p.s.-yet another freestyle team that didn't come into the sticky about changing team rules, because they were too busy getting their "cheat fix" in for the points before a new rule was written... funny... all the abuse occurs in freestyle, and the mods/admins are just clueless as to how sequential and freestyle are such completely different animals.

by **Tarzanchuck** on Tue May 27, 2008 12:27 am

The best part about this thread is that it doesn't address my original complaint AT ALL. THREAD DERAILMENT AT IT'S FINEST!!!!

Frankly, I don't give a shit about multis anymore. If someone cares so much about winning that they feel they need to cheat, then fine. I don't care.

The only reason I play here is so that Chaka and I can have fun playing games together. I play some singles games, but I probably wouldn't play if it wasn't for doing games with him. If a multi joins our game, then I don't even care.

R-TARDS.

by **wicked** on Tue May 27, 2008 12:31 am

Both Sven and Player answered your question. That's why we don't cancel/delete games or force forfeits when someone is busted as a multi. Also, a person with multiple accounts doesn't always have more than one of his/her accounts in one game, so if the player decides to upgrade to premium to stay on, they can continue on as normal (with one account). Yet another reason we don't delete/cancel games or force forfeits.

by **Twill** on Wed May 28, 2008 2:31 pm

jbrettlip, how you can jump from "we are shelfing this proposal at this time" to "we're scrapping all rules completely" is beyond me - You still are not allowed to strategically sit for another player...sitting for team mates (the proposal that was shelfed) is merely an extension of this.

And TarzanChuck,

We don't block or remove players from active games for several reasons. It has been discussed before and there are too many pot-holes with implementing it so we left it as is.

by **Bruceswar** on Fri May 30, 2008 2:12 am

wrestler1ump wrote:I feel the opposite way. I think Conquerclub is too hard on multis. The best thing would be to send a warning and maybe a one week ban, then if they are caught using multiple accounts again they must upgrade to premium as I did.

This post is total BS! Too hard? LMAO. Cheaters should be banned the moment it happens! I cannot stand cheaters!