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is turning busted multis armies into neutrals a good idea?

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a resounding HECK NO!!!!
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Re: Dealing with Multis

Postby hulmey on Fri May 30, 2008 2:35 am

owenshooter wrote:
Vace Cooper wrote:I think Owen is messing with you a little bit... We are true believers in the ways of babysitting partners turns.

no i'm not. i just spent 20 days trying to make sure the new rule they were proposing for baby sitting accounts was fair to doubles players. one of the huge sticking points was the refusal to differentiate between sequential and freestyle team play by lack and twill... nobody could prove how sequential teams gained a "STRATEGIC" advantage in game play, by baby sitting. and now, in this thread, these guys just show how rampant it is in freestyle, by openly admitting it and declaring it standard in freestyle team play! now they are back tracking about a camping trip or whatever. like it or not, freestyle teams abuse baby sitting, and it is wrong. these two guys were just "smart" enough to admit it in a thread and declare it as no big deal. these two abuse the system, and i hope they are watched closely in their upcoming games. and to be fair, please monitor me in my team games, also...-0

p.s.-jbrettlip, there is no new rule... yet... stop drinking so early in the day if you are going to troll the forums bashing mods.


If you cant understand the strategic advantage of having the same player play all turns for its team then you need an IQ test. There is an advantage albiet alot smaller one than in freestyle games!!
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Re: Dealing with Multis

Postby Timminz on Fri May 30, 2008 11:55 am

hulmey wrote:If you cant understand the strategic advantage of having the same player play all turns for its team then you need an IQ test. There is an advantage albiet alot smaller one than in freestyle games!!


It can only be an advantage if all but one player on the team are idiots, and the non-idiot is the one taking the turns.
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Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby owenshooter on Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:10 am

question, when a person is busted for multiple accounts, why are they allowed to play out their games, possibly taking points off of members that are not cheats? would it be possible to turn an offenders armies into neutrals, as if they had deadbeated, when/if they are busted for multiple accounts? this would end the cries for points to be returned and/or games to be deleted. just an idea...

anyway, searched this forum, only found a thread about marking cheats, which is not what i'm suggesting. so, please resist the urge to merge this...
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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby yeti_c on Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:17 am

I think the ruling should be a deadbeating as if in Terminator game... i.e. they're still there - and you can kill them for their cards...

Unless it's a team game - then the teammate should inherit their cards (If it's a full team then the team should get dropped like a terminator death).

Either way though - this topic will get merged.

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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby lancehoch on Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:28 am

owenshooter wrote:question, when a person is busted for multiple accounts, why are they allowed to play out their games, possibly taking points off of members that are not cheats?
This is because the busted player still has the right to appeal. If they are cleared after a second look and they have done nothing wrong, then why should they have been forced to lose all of their active games?
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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby yeti_c on Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:32 am

lancehoch wrote:
owenshooter wrote:question, when a person is busted for multiple accounts, why are they allowed to play out their games, possibly taking points off of members that are not cheats?
This is because the busted player still has the right to appeal. If they are cleared after a second look and they have done nothing wrong, then why should they have been forced to lose all of their active games?


As stated before - the people who successfully appeal are far outweighed by the people in the games that are ruined by having multi's that are still alive...

In fact the number of multi's will be outweighed heavily by the number of people in the games that they are ruining.

So - My point is - take the punishment away from the many and give it to the few - especially as 90% of those few are cheaters.

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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby owenshooter on Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:36 am

lancehoch wrote:
owenshooter wrote:question, when a person is busted for multiple accounts, why are they allowed to play out their games, possibly taking points off of members that are not cheats?
This is because the busted player still has the right to appeal. If they are cleared after a second look and they have done nothing wrong, then why should they have been forced to lose all of their active games?

let me type clearer. when a person IS BUSTED (as in the process is complete and they are indeed a BUSTED MULTI CHEAT), why are they allowed to play out their games? is that now clear enough?-0
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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby InkL0sed on Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:40 am

This makes perfect sense.
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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby PepperJack on Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:03 pm

Convicted inmates often appeal their decisions from inside the prison system. While this may be called a miscarriage of justice to the select few that are released on appeal, those numbers are vastly disproportionate to those that appeal and end up serving their term.

That's more or less a real life example of what Yeti said.

Add in the fact that one's score is weighted towards recently finished games for the bulk of the players on CC (higher ranks excluded) and an incorrectly accused multi can quickly recoup their points.

I support the cessation of activity on busted multis that are in the appeals process.
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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby Fruitcake on Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:15 pm

owenshooter wrote:
lancehoch wrote:
owenshooter wrote:question, when a person is busted for multiple accounts, why are they allowed to play out their games, possibly taking points off of members that are not cheats?
This is because the busted player still has the right to appeal. If they are cleared after a second look and they have done nothing wrong, then why should they have been forced to lose all of their active games?

let me type clearer. when a person IS BUSTED (as in the process is complete and they are indeed a BUSTED MULTI CHEAT), why are they allowed to play out their games? is that now clear enough?-0


Sounds good to me. It would certainly resove a lot of the emotive issues surrounding letting them continue after being busted.
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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby nagerous on Mon Oct 27, 2008 3:29 pm

yeti_c wrote:
lancehoch wrote:
owenshooter wrote:question, when a person is busted for multiple accounts, why are they allowed to play out their games, possibly taking points off of members that are not cheats?
This is because the busted player still has the right to appeal. If they are cleared after a second look and they have done nothing wrong, then why should they have been forced to lose all of their active games?


As stated before - the people who successfully appeal are far outweighed by the people in the games that are ruined by having multi's that are still alive...

In fact the number of multi's will be outweighed heavily by the number of people in the games that they are ruining.

So - My point is - take the punishment away from the many and give it to the few - especially as 90% of those few are cheaters.

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Very valid point there C.
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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby jbrettlip on Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:57 pm

I voted to trun them neutral. And then I am going to sign in with my other account and do the same. I hate multis.
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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby Jeff Hardy on Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:33 am

lancehoch wrote:
owenshooter wrote:question, when a person is busted for multiple accounts, why are they allowed to play out their games, possibly taking points off of members that are not cheats?
This is because the busted player still has the right to appeal. If they are cleared after a second look and they have done nothing wrong, then why should they have been forced to lose all of their active games?

dont bust them unless you are sure :roll:
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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby yeti_c on Tue Oct 28, 2008 3:57 am

jbrettlip wrote:I voted to trun them neutral. And then I am going to sign in with my other account and do the same. I hate multis.


I think your multi voted the wrong way!?

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Re: Turning Busted Multis Armies into Neutrals

Postby SirSebstar on Tue Oct 28, 2008 4:12 am

its a bad idea. really.
You want real world analogies that turn wrong or you want real reasons. A busted multi gets to make no new games. This saves time on the staff instead of wasting it from having to go through games and award or detract points in a meaningless fashionor turn their armies neutral.

As was stated before, being busted does not mean its sure you have been multi'ing (nor did he recieve a criminal trial with impartial judgement and evidence.) Since the verdict can be overturned, dispite how rare that is, its not really nice to just break in on those games and chance the game that way. Ofcourse there is also the terminator game where someone was eliminated by the multi, he is also not getting their point back, so the moment when it is appropriate to take action is also to late.
If you cant do it right, maybe you should not do it at all, and i feel thats the stance with cheaters / adjusting things ingame that CC takes. And rightly so!!
next time come up with a real suggestion that you have given some thought as to impact, severity andtry to see it from all sides.
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