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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby MeDeFe on Mon Aug 24, 2009 10:59 am

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squishyg wrote:Andy, is it possible for you to review the cases of the 10 users who were perma-banned for forum violations and re-evaluate them based on the new guidelines? While I understand how busy you must be, if 2 cases are reviewed a week you could get through them in 5 weeks.

Those cases were quite extreme cases. The users involved were all either vacationed for: Extreme bigotry/hate speech, or they had forum violations in addition to a large number of multiple accounts repeatedly, or they there were engaged in taking down the website.


--Andy

Which of those applies to DM? (And don't give me the multi nonsense, there were 4 people with 1 account each, all were allowed to buy back in as opposed to only the first account as is the usual policy) Which of those applies to xtra?

There are 10 cases you say, you've had no problem applying rules retroactively in the past, so why now all of a sudden?
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:03 am

MeDeFe wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
squishyg wrote:Andy, is it possible for you to review the cases of the 10 users who were perma-banned for forum violations and re-evaluate them based on the new guidelines? While I understand how busy you must be, if 2 cases are reviewed a week you could get through them in 5 weeks.

Those cases were quite extreme cases. The users involved were all either vacationed for: Extreme bigotry/hate speech, or they had forum violations in addition to a large number of multiple accounts repeatedly, or they there were engaged in taking down the website.


--Andy

Which of those applies to DM? (And don't give me the multi nonsense, there were 4 people with 1 account each, all were allowed to buy back in as opposed to only the first account as is the usual policy) Which of those applies to xtra?

There are 10 cases you say, you've had no problem applying rules retroactively in the past, so why now all of a sudden?


You are mistaken in thinking Dancing Mustard was apart of the group. Squishyg was referring to those who received a complete website vacation. Dancing Mustard is only on a complete Forum Vacation.


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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby MeDeFe on Mon Aug 24, 2009 11:30 am

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squishyg wrote:Andy, is it possible for you to review the cases of the 10 users who were perma-banned for forum violations and re-evaluate them based on the new guidelines? While I understand how busy you must be, if 2 cases are reviewed a week you could get through them in 5 weeks.

Those cases were quite extreme cases. The users involved were all either vacationed for: Extreme bigotry/hate speech, or they had forum violations in addition to a large number of multiple accounts repeatedly, or they there were engaged in taking down the website.


--Andy

Which of those applies to DM? (And don't give me the multi nonsense, there were 4 people with 1 account each, all were allowed to buy back in as opposed to only the first account as is the usual policy) Which of those applies to xtra?

There are 10 cases you say, you've had no problem applying rules retroactively in the past, so why now all of a sudden?

You are mistaken in thinking Dancing Mustard was apart of the group. Squishyg was referring to those who received a complete website vacation. Dancing Mustard is only on a complete Forum Vacation.


--Andy

Ah, I think you're right, when she said "permabanned" I took it to mean from the forums and not from the website.

Well, in that case I will just float the idea of reviewing the cases of the 17 who have been permanently forumbanned.
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby AndyDufresne on Mon Aug 24, 2009 1:55 pm

No worries---I usually try to avoid using plain "permaban" or permavacation without qualifiers---such as Forum, Live Chat, Ratings, or Complete Website, as the term often isn't descriptive enough.

As for reviewing those currently on Complete Anything Vacations (Forum, Live Chat, Ratings, Website) most likely we will continue to move from this point forward.


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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby MeDeFe on Mon Aug 24, 2009 2:25 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:As for reviewing those currently on Complete Anything Vacations (Forum, Live Chat, Ratings, Website) most likely we will continue to move from this point forward.

Which means...
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby notyou2 on Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:07 pm

They have made it very clear...they do not want DM here as they can't deal with his wit and writing capabilities. He keeps making them look bad while skirting the rules. Its a very sad state of affairs.
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby owenshooter on Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:16 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:As for reviewing those currently on Complete Anything Vacations (Forum, Live Chat, Ratings, Website) most likely we will continue to move from this point forward.

Which means...

which means they refuse to admit they cocked up by banning DM for not violating any rule... the mere fact that part of his ban was for "skirting the rules" should be pause enough for them to reconsider lowering his perma-ban to a 6 month ban. previously, andy stated that there were too many cases to go back and look at them all. then within the same post, he stated how less than 12 people are perma-banned from the forum due to their posting, etc.. so, there are far too few admins to look back into 12 cases? they refuse to go back on this horrible decision, because they don't want to admit they screwed up and shot the gap when they banned him. the best thing about twill was, he was mature enough to admit his mistakes and undo the ones he made... yet another reason the big guy is sorely missed around here...-0

p.s.-lesson be learned... if you are smarter than the mods, can out write and out think them, while staying within the rules OR as andy declared it "skirting the rules", you are going to take the CC Dirt Nap...

p.p.s.-this sums up how seriously they are taking this request:
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby notyou2 on Mon Aug 24, 2009 8:27 pm

It took them all of under 2 hours to lock it....see, told ya....hes not wanted, apparently they can't handle him.

I wonder who will be next to disappear in the middle of the night?
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby squishyg on Mon Aug 24, 2009 9:24 pm

MeDeFe wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
MeDeFe wrote:
AndyDufresne wrote:
squishyg wrote:Andy, is it possible for you to review the cases of the 10 users who were perma-banned for forum violations and re-evaluate them based on the new guidelines? While I understand how busy you must be, if 2 cases are reviewed a week you could get through them in 5 weeks.

Those cases were quite extreme cases. The users involved were all either vacationed for: Extreme bigotry/hate speech, or they had forum violations in addition to a large number of multiple accounts repeatedly, or they there were engaged in taking down the website.


--Andy

Which of those applies to DM? (And don't give me the multi nonsense, there were 4 people with 1 account each, all were allowed to buy back in as opposed to only the first account as is the usual policy) Which of those applies to xtra?

There are 10 cases you say, you've had no problem applying rules retroactively in the past, so why now all of a sudden?

You are mistaken in thinking Dancing Mustard was apart of the group. Squishyg was referring to those who received a complete website vacation. Dancing Mustard is only on a complete Forum Vacation.


--Andy

Ah, I think you're right, when he said "permabanned" I took it to mean from the forums and not from the website.

Well, in that case I will just float the idea of reviewing the cases of the 17 who have been permanently forumbanned.


I misunderstood. My request should have been for a review of those who have been forum banned. Can you do that Andy?

p.s. I'm a woman MoDeFe :)
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby GENERAL STONEHAM on Tue Aug 25, 2009 1:55 am

...is it just me or is Andy having difficulties trying to give a straight answer?
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby AndyDufresne on Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:55 pm

GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:...is it just me or is Andy having difficulties trying to give a straight answer?

What question are you inquiring about, General Stoneham?

squishyg wrote:I misunderstood. My request should have been for a review of those who have been forum banned. Can you do that Andy?

p.s. I'm a woman MoDeFe :)

Unfortunately, I don't think the benefits out weigh the costs of overturning any of those currently Vacationed.


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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby MeDeFe on Tue Aug 25, 2009 4:58 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:
GENERAL STONEHAM wrote:...is it just me or is Andy having difficulties trying to give a straight answer?

What question are you inquiring about, General Stoneham?

squishyg wrote:I misunderstood. My request should have been for a review of those who have been forum banned. Can you do that Andy?

p.s. I'm a woman MoDeFe :)

Unfortunately, I don't think the benefits out weigh the costs of overturning any of those currently Vacationed.


--Andy

Of reviewing the cases of people who have been permanently banned from the forums...

The benefits are: Being consistent, not applying double standards, displaying the possession of common sense.
The drawbacks are: None.

Or am I missing something.
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby timmytuttut88 on Tue Aug 25, 2009 5:15 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:As for reviewing those currently on Complete Anything Vacations (Forum, Live Chat, Ratings, Website) most likely we will continue to move from this point forward.

Wow. Way to listen to public opinion. Chances are if they were really that much of a threat you wouldnt have so many people wanting them back. It's pretty stupid how the mods have to convince us that forum regulars are somehow criminals for skirting the rules. Usually if they were that big of a problem most people would agree with you.
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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:02 am

Though indeed there are a few on the other side of the argument, and I can understand where you are coming from, I think the benefits of the community as a whole, out weighs those few.


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Re: For Minor Infractions, 6 Months Max Vacation instead Perma

Postby icedagger on Wed Aug 26, 2009 11:30 am

AndyDufresne wrote:Though indeed there are a few on the other side of the argument, and I can understand where you are coming from, I think the benefits of the community as a whole, out weighs those few.


--Andy


Really? Look what's happened to the off topics forum since he was banned. Endless threads about American politics. I don't post there much but have been reading them for a while and can't remember a time when it was more dull. Undoubetdly he was a pain in the arse for the mods, but the mods aren't the "community". If you really think banning him has benefited the community, why not poll said community on the matter and let them decide?
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