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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Kotaro on Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:25 pm

Yay. So now, freestyle is whoever joins last, gets to take their turn first for the entire game. What a huge update!
Next up, we're making the color Red, Red'r! Oh Golly Gee, that's a big one! Go CC!
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Bones2484 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 1:49 pm

Kotaro wrote:Yay. So now, freestyle is whoever joins last, gets to take their turn first for the entire game. What a huge update!
Next up, we're making the color Red, Red'r! Oh Golly Gee, that's a big one! Go CC!


I didn't realize that all freestyle games were 1v1.
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Mab52983 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:00 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Kotaro wrote:Yay. So now, freestyle is whoever joins last, gets to take their turn first for the entire game. What a huge update!
Next up, we're making the color Red, Red'r! Oh Golly Gee, that's a big one! Go CC!


I didn't realize that all freestyle games were 1v1.


Yea,well now it's pretty much pointless to play 1v1 freestyle or team freestyle.
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Kotaro on Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:03 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
I didn't realize that all freestyle games were 1v1.


I didn't realize you were still around to post off-topic conversations in threads.

And it affects team games too, but I guess that doesn't count now, does it? Go elsewhere troll, no one likes you.
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby djt5483 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 2:59 pm

so now if you start a freestyle 1 on 1 and it takes a while to start, your most likely gonna leave and then whoever joins will go first and your most likely fucked... so why would anyone start a casual freestyle 1 on 1 now?
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby demonfork on Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:05 pm

djt5483 wrote:so now if you start a freestyle 1 on 1 and it takes a while to start, your most likely gonna leave and then whoever joins will go first and your most likely fucked... so why would anyone start a casual freestyle 1 on 1 now?


demonfork wrote:
lackattack wrote:Thanks for all the feedback! Looks like Freestyle changes are most popular, and I really did not expect that. I've spent the afternoon going through all our forum topics on the subject and I plan to get cracking on it tomorrow! :D


This will ruin freestyle & basically turn it into sequential. Now, just like sequential, the advantage will truly go to the player that goes first. Don't say I didn't tell you so.


Freestyle 1v1 is now fucking stoopid!
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby alex951 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:10 pm

it F's up doodle assassin speed game, the double turn was as really important, when you play doodle assassin speed games you expect the double turn, and you use it just like everyone else. at least give us a option on whether or not we want to use it.
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby sully800 on Sun Aug 30, 2009 3:52 pm

Kotaro wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:
I didn't realize that all freestyle games were 1v1.


I didn't realize you were still around to post off-topic conversations in threads.

And it affects team games too, but I guess that doesn't count now, does it? Go elsewhere troll, no one likes you.


How was Bones' post off-topic? You stated that all freestyle games would be a certain way, when in fact it only affects 1v1 (and most team games) as Bones was pointing out. Please leave your flaming at the door.

The reasons for this change have been posted repeatedly, and yes it works better in multiplayer games than in 1v1. Just the same, if your opponent plays first you still have a chance to start while they are playing the next turn and end before them, thereby switching the tables. I understand this is not very likely in a casual game but it is very possible in speed 1v1's.

As stated earlier, the existence of this double turn mechanism was only ever a loophole. I would suggest going to Alstergren's thread for real double turn allowed games and maybe you all can develop a clear enough idea with enough support that double turns will be brought back in a transparent way.
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby KraphtOne on Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:52 am

If You are ANTI-double turn

aka: anti-freestyle

Please Post Here What Your Win Percentage Is On Freestyle Since They "fixed" Freestyle For You Guys And Made It "fair"

And Though I'm Not Quite The Demonfork I'll Play 5 Against Any Non-DT "freestyle player" And We'll See How This Update Has Made It Even For You...

And If Your Argument Is That It Prevents Me From PWNing Noobs Then How About Posting A Suggestion On What Ranks Are Allowed To Play New Recruits Instead Of Ruining A Game Format That The Better CC Players Enjoy Playing Against Each Other...

and ps: the reason we like playing freestyle is because it takes out the luck factor of a random turn order... but i guess you idiots will take any advantage you can get :evil: :evil: :evil:

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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby sully800 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 10:02 am

and ps: the reason we like playing freestyle is because it takes out the luck factor of a random turn order... but i guess you idiots will take any advantage you can get :evil: :evil: :evil:


You are still very welcome to play freestyle without the loophole.
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby bedub1 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:13 am

I love this. They fix the bug, and all the exploiters of the bug cry like little girls. Nice job Lack!!!!
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby wolfpack0530 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 5:03 pm

AAFitz wrote:
danfrank wrote:i rarely ever play FS.. I have never used a double turn and now i definitly never will.. i really dont see how it is an improvement.. so freestyle means now only every1 can play at one time.. WHOOOPEEE :?


Its an improvement, because now if you are quick enough to end your turn first, you dont have to worry about missing a turn because of a double turn.

It really only changes games for those who use the double turns, but it does help people like me, who simply never bother with them. It also makes it far more likely that someone will play the freestyle game quicker, because there is no need to wait the full 24 hours to make the turn.

It hardly means it will be real time, but it makes the risk of real time less, especially if you can play fast. On some maps, a double turn is the whole game. Now its a little more balanced, with the slight advantage to those who join second, if the person who made the game isnt watching.

It also eliminates the massive advantage over new players, who have no idea what a double turn is, no idea how to make one, and no idea what happened on the game usually, and this of course was the reason it was eliminated.



It wasnt eliminated for the regulars who know how to counter a double turn...it was eliminated to protect the new players, that were being gobbled up, not ever having any idea what happened, and how they lost the games.

The playing field has somewhat been leveled for them, and even the most vocal voices for double turns, knows this is the true case, and is just ignoring that one little fact out of convenience.



=D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> =D> Well said. I may start playing freestyle now.
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby djt5483 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:31 pm

bedub1 wrote:I love this. They fix the bug, and all the exploiters of the bug cry like little girls. Nice job Lack!!!!

they changed cuz people that didnt know how to do it were crying like little girls
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Bones2484 on Wed Sep 02, 2009 8:55 pm

djt5483 wrote:
bedub1 wrote:I love this. They fix the bug, and all the exploiters of the bug cry like little girls. Nice job Lack!!!!

they changed cuz people that didnt know how to do it were crying like little girls


Oh, it's very difficult to do.

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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:20 pm

Mab52983 wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:
Kotaro wrote:Yay. So now, freestyle is whoever joins last, gets to take their turn first for the entire game. What a huge update!
Next up, we're making the color Red, Red'r! Oh Golly Gee, that's a big one! Go CC!


I didn't realize that all freestyle games were 1v1.


Yea,well now it's pretty much pointless to play 1v1 freestyle or team freestyle.



Team games are not ruined... LMAO.... Really that comment holds no water at all... When sjnap was playing casual freestyle team games he won 110 of 111 with 0 double turns. Tell me how team games are effected? Get a better strategy and double turns are a moot point. Yes even speed team freestyle also... Stop crying suck it up and move on.


For all you who say 1 vs 1 casual freestyle is ruined... Not true... We all know casual freestyle games fill really fast when 1 vs 1... If you set up 1 or 2... Just wait around till they fill and play quick. Not like you will be waiting long. Suck it up cupcake! In speed games just hit the B Key and start right away like normal. Or when they start per the new rules. Learn to live... :roll:
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:21 pm

djt5483 wrote:
bedub1 wrote:I love this. They fix the bug, and all the exploiters of the bug cry like little girls. Nice job Lack!!!!

they changed cuz people that didnt know how to do it were crying like little girls



I know how to do it, but I think it is very cheap tactic, and yes I agree it is good fix. Thanks Lack!
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:38 pm

KraphtOne wrote:If You are ANTI-double turn

aka: anti-freestyle

Please Post Here What Your Win Percentage Is On Freestyle Since They "fixed" Freestyle For You Guys And Made It "fair"

And Though I'm Not Quite The Demonfork I'll Play 5 Against Any Non-DT "freestyle player" And We'll See How This Update Has Made It Even For You...

And If Your Argument Is That It Prevents Me From PWNing Noobs Then How About Posting A Suggestion On What Ranks Are Allowed To Play New Recruits Instead Of Ruining A Game Format That The Better CC Players Enjoy Playing Against Each Other...

and ps: the reason we like playing freestyle is because it takes out the luck factor of a random turn order... but i guess you idiots will take any advantage you can get :evil: :evil: :evil:

~k1



I am anti double turn..... Using map rank here are my stats


+6075 When I put in finished games and freestyle. If I put in Freestyle + escalating I am over +7300

P.S. Freestyle FTW! Yes the Fix is a great one.

Next lame complaint!
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Sep 02, 2009 9:39 pm

djt5483 wrote:
bedub1 wrote:I love this. They fix the bug, and all the exploiters of the bug cry like little girls. Nice job Lack!!!!

they changed cuz people that didnt know how to do it were crying like little girls



No they changed it to stop rampant farming taking place with it. Thanks Lack!
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:02 pm

+49 with a 39% win rate...which i think is great cause most would be 8 man esc games...
and im loving the no double turns...
i dont actually think i have ever used double turns to play anyway...
well not intentionally..maybe in the foray of the last few secs to get a card and being too slow but starting strait away

djt5483 wrote:so now if you start a freestyle 1 on 1 and it takes a while to start, your most likely gonna leave and then whoever joins will go first and your most likely fucked... so why would anyone start a casual freestyle 1 on 1 now?

was that not always the way starting a casual freestyle..if you werent around u couldnt go first...
tbh i will take the first turn over a double turn every day of the week
1v1 comes down to the drop and the first turn in 9/10 games
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby KraphtOne on Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:17 pm

lord voldemort wrote:+49 with a 39% win rate...which i think is great cause most would be 8 man esc games...
and im loving the no double turns...
i dont actually think i have ever used double turns to play anyway...
well not intentionally..maybe in the foray of the last few secs to get a card and being too slow but starting strait away

djt5483 wrote:so now if you start a freestyle 1 on 1 and it takes a while to start, your most likely gonna leave and then whoever joins will go first and your most likely fucked... so why would anyone start a casual freestyle 1 on 1 now?

was that not always the way starting a casual freestyle..if you werent around u couldnt go first...
tbh i will take the first turn over a double turn every day of the week
1v1 comes down to the drop and the first turn in 9/10 games



let's play 10 freestyle games... i'll let you make your move first in every one of em...

see if you can get 9/10...

that statement is proof positive that you do not understand the strategy of freestyle...
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Bruceswar on Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:20 pm

KraphtOne wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:+49 with a 39% win rate...which i think is great cause most would be 8 man esc games...
and im loving the no double turns...
i dont actually think i have ever used double turns to play anyway...
well not intentionally..maybe in the foray of the last few secs to get a card and being too slow but starting strait away

djt5483 wrote:so now if you start a freestyle 1 on 1 and it takes a while to start, your most likely gonna leave and then whoever joins will go first and your most likely fucked... so why would anyone start a casual freestyle 1 on 1 now?

was that not always the way starting a casual freestyle..if you werent around u couldnt go first...
tbh i will take the first turn over a double turn every day of the week
1v1 comes down to the drop and the first turn in 9/10 games



let's play 10 freestyle games... i'll let you make your move first in every one of em...

see if you can get 9/10...

that statement is proof positive that you do not understand the strategy of freestyle...


If I played you in 10 1 vs 1 casual freestyle games and I went first in all I would pwn you... At least 8 of 10 would be mine... 2 would go dice and be yours. :) Next dumb statement.. and yes I play freestyle casual 1 vs 1's

Edited to add in a speed game no way I am moving right when the match starts... I am not a moron :)
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby lord voldemort on Wed Sep 02, 2009 11:27 pm

KraphtOne wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:+49 with a 39% win rate...which i think is great cause most would be 8 man esc games...
and im loving the no double turns...
i dont actually think i have ever used double turns to play anyway...
well not intentionally..maybe in the foray of the last few secs to get a card and being too slow but starting strait away

djt5483 wrote:so now if you start a freestyle 1 on 1 and it takes a while to start, your most likely gonna leave and then whoever joins will go first and your most likely fucked... so why would anyone start a casual freestyle 1 on 1 now?

was that not always the way starting a casual freestyle..if you werent around u couldnt go first...
tbh i will take the first turn over a double turn every day of the week
1v1 comes down to the drop and the first turn in 9/10 games



let's play 10 freestyle games... i'll let you make your move first in every one of em...

see if you can get 9/10...

that statement is proof positive that you do not understand the strategy of freestyle...

thats not the point...im talking about 1v1
you may beat me as you have faster internet and a quicker finger...
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:19 am

lord voldemort wrote:
KraphtOne wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:+49 with a 39% win rate...which i think is great cause most would be 8 man esc games...
and im loving the no double turns...
i dont actually think i have ever used double turns to play anyway...
well not intentionally..maybe in the foray of the last few secs to get a card and being too slow but starting strait away

djt5483 wrote:so now if you start a freestyle 1 on 1 and it takes a while to start, your most likely gonna leave and then whoever joins will go first and your most likely fucked... so why would anyone start a casual freestyle 1 on 1 now?

was that not always the way starting a casual freestyle..if you werent around u couldnt go first...
tbh i will take the first turn over a double turn every day of the week
1v1 comes down to the drop and the first turn in 9/10 games



let's play 10 freestyle games... i'll let you make your move first in every one of em...

see if you can get 9/10...

that statement is proof positive that you do not understand the strategy of freestyle...

thats not the point...im talking about 1v1
you may beat me as you have faster internet and a quicker finger...


Notice how he did not respond to me....
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby lord voldemort on Thu Sep 03, 2009 12:22 am

Bruceswar wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:
KraphtOne wrote:
lord voldemort wrote:+49 with a 39% win rate...which i think is great cause most would be 8 man esc games...
and im loving the no double turns...
i dont actually think i have ever used double turns to play anyway...
well not intentionally..maybe in the foray of the last few secs to get a card and being too slow but starting strait away

djt5483 wrote:so now if you start a freestyle 1 on 1 and it takes a while to start, your most likely gonna leave and then whoever joins will go first and your most likely fucked... so why would anyone start a casual freestyle 1 on 1 now?

was that not always the way starting a casual freestyle..if you werent around u couldnt go first...
tbh i will take the first turn over a double turn every day of the week
1v1 comes down to the drop and the first turn in 9/10 games



let's play 10 freestyle games... i'll let you make your move first in every one of em...

see if you can get 9/10...

that statement is proof positive that you do not understand the strategy of freestyle...

thats not the point...im talking about 1v1
you may beat me as you have faster internet and a quicker finger...


Notice how he did not respond to me....

correct answer cause you are decent at freestyle??
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Re: No Double turns=stupid

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Sep 03, 2009 1:05 am

lord voldemort wrote:correct answer cause you are decent at freestyle??



Decent... well that might be an understatement... those who are bitching are just pissed their farming days / ways are gone. :lol: :lol: :lol: =D> =D> =D>
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