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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby Queen_Herpes on Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:48 am

SirSebstar wrote:Obviously if you did read the above statements, you would know this is a voluntary limitation that you as a player can end yourself, but then you need to change some settings. It would give players a more reasonable chance to get to knew what the settings mean instead of just reading something about freestyle, just to point out an example.


Excellent job reading the posts, SirSebstar! As mentioned, I fully support the notion (and it wasn't mine originally) that a new recruit can go in to deselect this training program. Certainly I support that this training would be an automatically selected set-up for all new recruits.

Because you can read, SirSebstar, I'm sure you also understand that this suggestion supports the concept that the new recruits would not be able to "see" the maps that they cannot play. I'm on the fence on that, though. What do you think?
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby angola on Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:14 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:Because you can read, SirSebstar, I'm sure you also understand that this suggestion supports the concept that the new recruits would not be able to "see" the maps that they cannot play. I'm on the fence on that, though. What do you think?



Wait, you want to limit how many maps the new recruits can even see?

Wow, that will really drive people away. If I signed up for this site and thought it only had 16 maps, I'd be out of here quick.

Also, I was playing lots of different Risk-type games when I stumbled upon Conquer Club (damn Grand Strategy servers kept going down) and I think it is ridiculous to limit new recruits any more than they already are.

I like the PM to the new recruits about the Society of Cooks. That seems reasonable.
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby JoshyBoy on Fri Feb 11, 2011 8:07 am

angola wrote:Wait, you want to limit how many maps the new recruits can even see?

Wow, that will really drive people away. If I signed up for this site and thought it only had 16 maps, I'd be out of here quick.

Also, I was playing lots of different Risk-type games when I stumbled upon Conquer Club (damn Grand Strategy servers kept going down) and I think it is ridiculous to limit new recruits any more than they already are.

I like the PM to the new recruits about the Society of Cooks. That seems reasonable.


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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Feb 11, 2011 9:22 am

angola wrote:I like the PM to the new recruits about the Society of Cooks. That seems reasonable.

They already get that pm. (maybe not when you started, but now they do).

I, of course, agree with the rest of what you have said.
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby SirSebstar on Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:55 am

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SirSebstar wrote:You ignore what has been writen above, then why should i respond to your empty post... Well I am such a nice guy ;-)

Coming from someone who said CC doesn't have a training program?? ;)

I cannot remember saying such a thing. I assume you are confused with someone else.

PLAYER57832 wrote:Anyway, both Woodruff and I have followed Queens various suggestions. Niether one of us can truly understand why this one persisted into a sticky. Because it just plain runs counter to what CC is about.

QH did not make it a sticky and I do not think a sticky requires your approval anyways so i fail to see the relevance here.

PLAYER57832 wrote:That said:
...this is a voluntary limitation that you as a player can end yourself, but then you need to change some settings. It would give players a more reasonable chance to get to knew what the settings mean instead of just reading something about freestyle, just to point out an example.

Folks ALREADY HAVE the chance to select or not select games. As a non-option, this idea stinks. As an option, it is a pure waste of admin programming time and server space.

If i followed that line of thinking then players should not even be limited in the first 5 games. If that is what you mean then tough luck. I am trying to expand the time players find it cool to hang around on this site. As has been presented before, it is a fact that there are several groups of players, each with their own desires wishes and dislikes. The option of an extended time of exploration is intended to keep as many players interested as possible. The shortcut method of disableing said period is meant for those users who like to try everything right now.. But not everybody is like that. To get back to your argument, if people have the option to not play freestyle they need to know what freestyle is before they are shanghai’d and leave this place for cheaters paradise that it is.

PLAYER57832 wrote: (And I'm hearing the calls now for retroactively implementing this for me...<grin>)
I think I got you beat on that one ... ;) (but then, I have had longer to irritate people :lol: )[/quote] yes you do, please stay out of here unless you want to either improve on the design or post a helpful comment. I will note that you disapprove of this idea, and you can post when you have something relevant to add.
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby SirSebstar on Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:58 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:....Because you can read, SirSebstar, I'm sure you also understand that this suggestion supports the concept that the new recruits would not be able to "see" the maps that they cannot play. I'm on the fence on that, though. What do you think?


considering the comments i think players should not be able to select certain options untill they more or less qualify for it.(much like the first 5 games) Do i want them invisiable or greyed out, then i would suggest greyed out over invisiable. After all, if you do not know what else is out there, you might not want to run as fast and there are a lot of groups out there that really do want to do everything as fast as possible. Also the got to have em all crowd needs to clearly see whats out there for them to get
So i'd propose visiable and tempting..
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby Woodruff on Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:17 pm

SirSebstar wrote:You ignore what has been writen above, then why should i respond to your empty post...


f*ck you and your assinine presumption that a brand new newbie would understand a PM trying to explain this to them or that they would be able to figure out how to do it.

SirSebstar wrote:If you did not know better would you have minded?


Yes, because the primary thing I love about this site is the tremendous number of maps involved.

SirSebstar wrote:Obviously if you did read the above statements, you would know this is a voluntary limitation that you as a player can end yourself, but then you need to change some settings.


I've already addressed that.

SirSebstar wrote:Assuming you did not read the above, i can only conclude you are in fact in agreement with me.
If so, thanks!


f*ck off.

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PLAYER57832 wrote:I think I got you beat on that one ... ;) (but then, I have had longer to irritate people :lol: )


yes you do, please stay out of here unless you want to either improve on the design or post a helpful comment. I will note that you disapprove of this idea, and you can post when you have something relevant to add.


Yes PLAYER...if you disagree, you should just shut the hell up.
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby Woodruff on Fri Feb 11, 2011 7:18 pm

Queen_Herpes wrote:
SirSebstar wrote:Obviously if you did read the above statements, you would know this is a voluntary limitation that you as a player can end yourself, but then you need to change some settings. It would give players a more reasonable chance to get to knew what the settings mean instead of just reading something about freestyle, just to point out an example.


Excellent job reading the posts, SirSebstar! As mentioned, I fully support the notion (and it wasn't mine originally) that a new recruit can go in to deselect this training program. Certainly I support that this training would be an automatically selected set-up for all new recruits.

Because you can read, SirSebstar, I'm sure you also understand that this suggestion supports the concept that the new recruits would not be able to "see" the maps that they cannot play. I'm on the fence on that, though. What do you think?


You sure are a sanctimonious bitch.
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby Queen_Herpes on Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:42 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:
SirSebstar wrote:Obviously if you did read the above statements, you would know this is a voluntary limitation that you as a player can end yourself, but then you need to change some settings. It would give players a more reasonable chance to get to knew what the settings mean instead of just reading something about freestyle, just to point out an example.


Excellent job reading the posts, SirSebstar! As mentioned, I fully support the notion (and it wasn't mine originally) that a new recruit can go in to deselect this training program. Certainly I support that this training would be an automatically selected set-up for all new recruits.

Because you can read, SirSebstar, I'm sure you also understand that this suggestion supports the concept that the new recruits would not be able to "see" the maps that they cannot play. I'm on the fence on that, though. What do you think?


You sure are a sanctimonious bitch.


Um, I don't know what sanctimonious means. Please elaborate. As to this suggestion, I don't think this particular comment is on topic. Please stay on topic. Thank you!
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby Queen_Herpes on Fri Feb 11, 2011 10:47 pm

angola wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:Because you can read, SirSebstar, I'm sure you also understand that this suggestion supports the concept that the new recruits would not be able to "see" the maps that they cannot play. I'm on the fence on that, though. What do you think?



Wait, you want to limit how many maps the new recruits can even see?

Wow, that will really drive people away. If I signed up for this site and thought it only had 16 maps, I'd be out of here quick.

Also, I was playing lots of different Risk-type games when I stumbled upon Conquer Club (damn Grand Strategy servers kept going down) and I think it is ridiculous to limit new recruits any more than they already are.

I like the PM to the new recruits about the Society of Cooks. That seems reasonable.



Probably stirring controversy more than anything. I put a suggestion forward that never got much traction related to putting the maps on display. Currently, they are hidden if a visitor to the site is not a member. Then...if you are a member, they are not "easy" to find. I figured since everyone was so hyped up about the maps being what attracts players to this site, that (with the other suggestion) I was simply trying to get conquerclub to advertise those maps in a more effective manner. However, hardly anyone commented on that thread and it faded away. So, I must ask, if we limit the number of maps visible to a new recruit...are we really changing much for a new member?
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby Woodruff on Sat Feb 12, 2011 3:47 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:
SirSebstar wrote:Obviously if you did read the above statements, you would know this is a voluntary limitation that you as a player can end yourself, but then you need to change some settings. It would give players a more reasonable chance to get to knew what the settings mean instead of just reading something about freestyle, just to point out an example.


Excellent job reading the posts, SirSebstar! As mentioned, I fully support the notion (and it wasn't mine originally) that a new recruit can go in to deselect this training program. Certainly I support that this training would be an automatically selected set-up for all new recruits.

Because you can read, SirSebstar, I'm sure you also understand that this suggestion supports the concept that the new recruits would not be able to "see" the maps that they cannot play. I'm on the fence on that, though. What do you think?


You sure are a sanctimonious bitch.


Um, I don't know what sanctimonious means. Please elaborate.


Buy a dictionary.

Queen_Herpes wrote:As to this suggestion, I don't think this particular comment is on topic. Please stay on topic. Thank you!


Make up your mind!
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby natty dread on Sat Feb 12, 2011 10:36 am

SirSebstar wrote: yes you do, please stay out of here unless you want to either improve on the design or post a helpful comment. I will note that you disapprove of this idea, and you can post when you have something relevant to add.


I can't believe I'm reading this from a moderator. WTF?????

Are you seriously saying that people who disagree about a suggestion are not welcome to post on a suggestion thread?

I would think that everyone is allowed to post their opinions about a suggestion. Whether they like it or not. How else would you gauge if there is sufficient support among the CC population for any suggestion?
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby blakebowling on Sat Feb 12, 2011 12:53 pm

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SirSebstar wrote: yes you do, please stay out of here unless you want to either improve on the design or post a helpful comment. I will note that you disapprove of this idea, and you can post when you have something relevant to add.


I can't believe I'm reading this from a moderator. WTF?????

Are you seriously saying that people who disagree about a suggestion are not welcome to post on a suggestion thread?

I would think that everyone is allowed to post their opinions about a suggestion. Whether they like it or not. How else would you gauge if there is sufficient support among the CC population for any suggestion?

I do believe he was saying to be relevant with posts, and to make sure that you aren't attacking anyone. Being against a suggestion is fine, but the line does stand that your post should be either for or against the suggestion, not the user that posted it. (Also, if this is not what Sebstar was saying, It's what I'm saying now.)
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:29 pm

Except the moderator in question has violated that principle.
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Re: Limit New Recruits for 16 games, unlock settings and map

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Feb 12, 2011 2:43 pm

Overall, there has long been a bias towards maps that mirror the classic. The assumption is that is what brings people here. Partially true, because a big way people have historically found out about the site is to key in "Risk" or so. A huge majority likely do play classic first.

HOWEVER, saying people first come here for that reason is not the same as saying people stay here for that reason. There have been repeated comments about why people stay. Most are backed by a fair amount of evidence. Only partially anecdotal evidence. For the most part, these claims have not even been truly refuted, just "well, no one really knows, so.." and so forth.

When person after person comes and says "people stay in large part because of the number of maps".. and virtually no one (other than Queen Herpes) says that people are leaving because there are too many maps,

so Queen Herpes thinks this is a good idea. We got that. So the idea has been revised. But, no matter of revision will change that the basic principle is wrong.

LIMITING MAPS IS NOT GOING TO KEEP PEOPLE HERE. The whole idea is silly.

There ARE problems. The biggest fixable pproblems, specifically are that maps are not very well categorized or described. The second problem is that Assassin is not very well explained. Having too many maps does not even rank on this list, just giving people a better way to find particular maps perhaps.

The TRUE big problems, the things that actually drive people away won't be fixed by CC. The biggest problems are people who just cannot be bothered to read and poor sports. Those are facts of humanity. Truth is, most of us are just as glad those folks leave when they do. Their occasional presence brings down the site for the rest of us. BUT, we live with those few knowing that most of the people here are otherwise.

The SECOND problem is really just a subclass of the poor sports bit. There is a group that has gotten good at a particular map or style of play and feels they, basically "ought to make conquerer" (or at least should stay in the upper ranks). They get to the point where others know they are good and basically avoid them or that map, but they don't want to reach out and try other types because they might (likely would) lose rank. OR, they get angry because they are stuck playing poorer players who might occasionally get lucky and win, thus bringing down their score. These problems have been debated ad anuseum. Again, it really and truly boils down to do these people want to play or just sit and keep their rank.

There are a lot of GOOD ideas out there that have just gone by the way side. They got support, but somehow were never adopted by admin. Why this one is put in a sticky is hard to understand.
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