Reprogram to eliminate spoils cheap tactics by 'deferring'

[Metsfanmax]

However, at the moment it is a valid strategy (albeit one that could be seen as 'cheap') to avoid collecting a card in nukes (or even to delay cashing in a set of them mid-turn to avoid wiping yourself or a partner out).

It's only valid because it's allowed. I think OP's point is that since such tactics are indeed cheap, we should insert code to make them impossible.

I can see less of a reason why you would want to use it in an escalating game though?

It can make sense in many circumstances. If every player has 4 cards and it's your turn, if you get a card it most likely means that you're going to cash the first set, making your set worth at least 11 less troops than the player who goes right before you. If you hold off on cashing, you aren't forced to turn in the least valuable set.

[natty dread]

Yeah no one wants to cash the first set.

[eddie2]

the whole point of this is why should players get 2 attack and not cash there are players that do this validly by just deploying then ending there shot. and others who attack then just time out. abusing the system.

[amazzony]

Sounds fair, at least as much as I understand it Going into details ain't my kind of thing but the overall idea is something that needs to get done to remove another way how to abuse the game.

[Darwins_Bane]

yes but the you would have a different type of abuse to consider. what happens if 5 players have 5 cards each in escalating? you can't just force them to take a card. how do you make them cash? do you cash for them? what order of cashing is fair since the comp does it all?

[tkr4lf]

yes but the you would have a different type of abuse to consider. what happens if 5 players have 5 cards each in escalating? you can't just force them to take a card. how do you make them cash? do you cash for them? what order of cashing is fair since the comp does it all?

I believe the game forces you to cash in spoils if you have 5 of them. I could be wrong on this, but I think I am correct.

[wolfpack0530]

Benn, no way in hell that is a valid strategy!!! When your turn ends, you get a goddamn card!! period. the fact that CC would even allow this loophole to exist and be exploited is detestable and makes CC look like it accepts cheating or in this case quasi-cheating (not all game choices give this strategy and unfair advantage, which is the term i am using to define cheating in this case).

The fact that CC still wont change it, knowing this, makes them look like cowards.

and those that still defend this with talking points are looking like mindless lackey fools

whatever happened to: just do what is right and fair?? does CC even care about fair anymore??? CC backing the current dice would suggest they dont at all, this is just another example.

make this suggestion happen!!

[Darwins_Bane]

saying that something should be stopped is all well and good, but there has been no real suggestion on what should be done to replace the current system. And before going off like you did, why don't you read my previous post about the consequences of implementing this suggestion. Don't get me wrong, when someone lets time run out to get a better cash or not take a card, i foe them.

[Metsfanmax]

saying that something should be stopped is all well and good, but there has been no real suggestion on what should be done to replace the current system.

Sure there has been. It's in the first post of this thread.

And before going off like you did, why don't you read my previous post about the consequences of implementing this suggestion. Don't get me wrong, when someone lets time run out to get a better cash or not take a card, i foe them.

Your scenario doesn't make sense. Players can't hold five cards during their assault phase.

[stahrgazer]

The OP says that the card is "tabulated" after the assault. That means the only change to the system is that you don't require an ended turn to earn a card. Nothing else would change; you'd still know what your card was before your next turn, because the card would display in your spoils as soon as you end your turn (either by clicking 'end turn' or by running out of time).

Concise description: Deferred spoils

Reprogram spoils so that they are tabulated at the end of any successful assault, but not granted until the start of the player's next turn - held in limbo, similar to "deferred troops" when players miss turns.

Very simply, Timminz.. I wanted to give nay-sayers something to negate. Suggesting they not receive the card till the beginning of next turn does that... while making the point that if they earned the card, they should get it, always; they should not be able to cheat the system to "not get it" nor should they lose the card they already earned if they legitimately ran out of time to hit "end turn". It would be more consistent with the way CC wrote its rules, too... the rules don't say, "You earn a card when you conquer a region and end your turn," they say you earn a card when you conquer a region; you just don't get it until the end of your turn, which should be one of two things: you ended your turn or the clock ran out.

Cards that weren't awarded at "end turn," because "end turn" wasn't depressed, are held until the "start turn" is pressed.

[Metsfanmax]

So your idea was to make your suggestion worse so that people could criticize it?

If you don't change it to say that the card is received at the end of the turn, I'm just going to make my own suggestion that does say that, because it's far superior.

[Darwins_Bane]

saying that something should be stopped is all well and good, but there has been no real suggestion on what should be done to replace the current system.

Sure there has been. It's in the first post of this thread.

And before going off like you did, why don't you read my previous post about the consequences of implementing this suggestion. Don't get me wrong, when someone lets time run out to get a better cash or not take a card, i foe them.

Your scenario doesn't make sense. Players can't hold five cards during their assault phase.

Yes you can, you begin your turn and you have 5 cards. then you have to cash. In freestyle escalating, a rather cheap strategy has come around ( mostly in speed games), whereby you start your turn, then the round ends, so you still have 5 cards, but everyone else had to cash. how would your suggestion fit into this?

[Metsfanmax]

saying that something should be stopped is all well and good, but there has been no real suggestion on what should be done to replace the current system.

Sure there has been. It's in the first post of this thread.

And before going off like you did, why don't you read my previous post about the consequences of implementing this suggestion. Don't get me wrong, when someone lets time run out to get a better cash or not take a card, i foe them.

Your scenario doesn't make sense. Players can't hold five cards during their assault phase.

Yes you can, you begin your turn and you have 5 cards. then you have to cash. In freestyle escalating, a rather cheap strategy has come around ( mostly in speed games), whereby you start your turn, then the round ends, so you still have 5 cards, but everyone else had to cash. how would your suggestion fit into this?

Well, this suggestion doesn't change anything about the status quo in that regard, because it only changes the time at which you receive new cards you earn.

[stahrgazer]

Well, this suggestion doesn't change anything about the status quo in that regard, because it only changes the time at which you receive new cards you earn.

It would change the status quo in that regard. Under this suggestion, you would not be able to avoid getting a card just by not hitting "end" at the end of your turn. If you failed to hit "end" you'd get it at the start of your next turn, which would auto-force the cash.

Not assaulting to avoid a spoil is one thing. Using a program glitch to avoid getting the spoil is correctable. This suggestion is aimed at correcting that correctable glitch. This suggestion also ensures that someone who qualifies for a spoil but whose system messes up, or whose time ran out, could still get their earned spoils. Both of these reasons are "pro" a change.

The only con would be, people who want to cheat the system by avoiding taking the spoil after they technically won a spoil, would be unable to continue to cheat the system that way. That's only a con if you like a strategy that cheats the system.

[Metsfanmax]

Well, this suggestion doesn't change anything about the status quo in that regard, because it only changes the time at which you receive new cards you earn.

It would change the status quo in that regard. Under this suggestion, you would not be able to avoid getting a card just by not hitting "end" at the end of your turn. If you failed to hit "end" you'd get it at the start of your next turn, which would auto-force the cash.

Not assaulting to avoid a spoil is one thing. Using a program glitch to avoid getting the spoil is correctable. This suggestion is aimed at correcting that correctable glitch. This suggestion also ensures that someone who qualifies for a spoil but whose system messes up, or whose time ran out, could still get their earned spoils. Both of these reasons are "pro" a change.

The only con would be, people who want to cheat the system by avoiding taking the spoil after they technically won a spoil, would be unable to continue to cheat the system that way. That's only a con if you like a strategy that cheats the system.

You seem to have misread the scenario. In the case in question, the player never assaulted a territory, and thus he never earned a card. Therefore your suggestion doesn't change what happens in that case.