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Postby Xyl on Sun Jul 22, 2007 3:06 pm

I'm not sure how kicking someone on the first turn makes them not want to come back. Surely, when they do come back, they'd have just as much fun joining another game using their now-free slot as they would trying to get a start in a game where everyone else has a lead of a turn or two? If points are an issue, this goes well with the "no points for new recruit deadbeats" idea.
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Postby kingpin01 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:37 pm

I don't know if this has been suggested before. How about if you miss the first turn of the game, you automatically get kicked out. There's really no excuse for missing the first turn. If you just signed up, you should know that you're going to play in the next few days. After the first turn, it could go back to the usual 3 days for disqualification. It seems like most of the deadbeats (and I've only played 4 games so far) haven't played a single turn, and it takes the game 3 turns to get going.

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Postby misterman10 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:39 pm

Already been suggested
about a million times
And I will never support this idea
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Postby 3seven1 on Tue Aug 07, 2007 5:45 pm

If you just join a game it doesn't mean it's your turn right away. When you start a game you still have to wait for people to join and get the game started. IF you join a freestyle game and you are the last person to go then yes, you can go first. Otherwise the starting person is random.
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Postby BeastofBurson on Tue Aug 07, 2007 6:25 pm

if you want faster games..play 1v1 games

99% of the time they end up becoming RT games....

thats usually what I play when I want faster games
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Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby oceanfrank on Fri Dec 18, 2009 3:22 pm

Sounds harsh I know, and I promise I did try and find a better way to say it. Having sad that I have noticed that a lot of the games I play with less than six players often include unrated players who sign up and never play. This drags the game out forever especially if there is more than one deadbeat in a single game which happens more than you might realize. Therefore, I would like to propose, if an unrated players signs up for a game and misses their first turn, after their 1st 24hour time limit expires, they are eliminated from the game after the first round.

This will improve the following aspects of the site by making it more attractive to play games with unranked players even if they deadbeat from the start

Also it will
- Speeds the game up for the rest of the players without wasting 3,6, or more days waiting for a deadbeat to be eliminated
- Encourages more rated players to play games with less than 6 players since the games will not drag on during the first several rounds waiting for the deadbeats non-starters to be eliminated
- Will help mitigate massive changes in strategy when a new player shows up after the second round with numerous reinforcements.
- Will keep unranked players who are trying to play from giving up because the games will provide more instant gratification due to increase in speed of round robin play
- Provides incentive to engage in the start of a game
- Unranked players will realized quickly they need to play or not sign up, providing more opportunity for other players who really want to play[/list]

I was not able to find discussion of this topic elsewhere, but if it was discussed and rejected I apologize for bringing it back up again.
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Re: Eliminate unrated plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby zimmah on Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:43 pm

don't be too harsh to newcomers, but on the other hand, they do indeed sometimes never show up at all.
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Re: Eliminate unrated plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby oceanfrank on Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:04 pm

Yeah I hear ya, not being harsh on newcomers, just suggesting moving the game past people who sign up out of curiosity but decide not to play.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby Private Gump on Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:23 am

I'd agree with you on this. I'm a newbie and have already been in several games with multiple deadbeats, which is frustrating to no end. I'd add a couple suggestions to this. Perhaps having some means for a person to retire from a game, rather than just abandoning it and wasting 3 days of their opponents time waiting for a deadbeat to take a turn. It also would give an opportunity to honorably concede when a game is obviously over. Another related suggestion is for there to be a visible statistic for the number of games a person has been kicked out of, or even kick them out of all games.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby Fuzzylogic99 on Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:18 am

def frustrating but doing this will encourage farming,Yes we have rules against farming but
that does not mean that some players would not ways around them.I could think of a few
ways myself that I could get around the rule

Also something might of happened that made them leave miss the turn and come back later.
Im sure that it happens a lot less than the player missing all three turns but to the players
who accidentally miss their first turn this would be a bit unfair to them.

anyways I dont see Lacks buying into this idea
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby jefjef on Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:06 pm

I say eliminate players in manual deployment games if they miss there deploy. This will eliminate some questionable strategies.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby ender516 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:00 am

Fuzzylogic99 wrote:def frustrating but doing this will encourage farming,Yes we have rules against farming but
that does not mean that some players would not ways around them.I could think of a few
ways myself that I could get around the rule

Also something might of happened that made them leave miss the turn and come back later.
Im sure that it happens a lot less than the player missing all three turns but to the players
who accidentally miss their first turn this would be a bit unfair to them.

anyways I dont see Lacks buying into this idea

It doesn't strike me as too harsh to toss a new recruit out of a game for missing the first turn. Have the system send a PM (or even an email if enabled) explaining what happened. The new recruit can always join another game.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby max is gr8 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:31 am

jefjef wrote:I say eliminate players in manual deployment games if they miss there deploy. This will eliminate some questionable strategies.


Only if the player does not lose points you are at a disadvantage if you miss deployment in a manual game. So don't punish that
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby Halmir on Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:46 am

I'd support this - I had one 8 player game with 4 deadbeats!! - but definitely needs an explanatory pm / email to them.

I think the problem is that quite a number of noobs will sign up and expect to be playing a game instantly (a la most other instant gratification vendors). It's been a while since I registered so can't remember if this was explained when I did sign up, but if not a few notes before the final "I accept the terms" button might be useful?

Or keep all noobs in a holding pen until they've completed their first few games :) If u wanted to be really nice, u could let them play 1 speed game out of their 4 just to whet their appetites ;)
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby colton24 on Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:06 am

Well I mean sometimes you can get busy and not find time for CC. RL is more important than CC and it can get in the way at times
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby oceanfrank on Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:04 pm

Was away for a bit....so it sounds like I am not alone in this quest. I was not sure about the farming concept, sound interesting though. However there was another point made. Many people sign up and leave because it takes too long. And a lot of the reason it takes too long is because of deadbeats signing up and quiting immediately. If they were removed, the game would go a lot faster and possibly keep new recruits. Myself, I try to avoid games with less than 6 people to avoid sitting around for several days just to play my 2nd and third round.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby ender516 on Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:51 pm

oceanfrank wrote:Was away for a bit....so it sounds like I am not alone in this quest. I was not sure about the farming concept, sound interesting though. However there was another point made. Many people sign up and leave because it takes too long. And a lot of the reason it takes too long is because of deadbeats signing up and quiting immediately. If they were removed, the game would go a lot faster and possibly keep new recruits. Myself, I try to avoid games with less than 6 people to avoid sitting around for several days just to play my 2nd and third round.

Funny, I stick mostly to games with just three or four people for the same reason. If you get into an 8-player game, it can be a long time between turns, if a few of those people take their time. But to the point of the matter, I do think it is not a great hardship to show up for at least the first turn of a game on time.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby JCKing on Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:47 am

Ocean,
What happens if people actually have a life and manage to miss the first turn in a game? I've done it before. It's not fair to regular players, that ended up not getting a chance to get to a computer, and instead automatically got kicked.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby ender516 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:31 pm

JCKing wrote:Ocean,
What happens if people actually have a life and manage to miss the first turn in a game? I've done it before. It's not fair to regular players, that ended up not getting a chance to get to a computer, and instead automatically got kicked.

The proposal was to apply this policy only to new recruits.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby nippersean on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:45 pm

JCKing wrote:Ocean,
What happens if people actually have a life and manage to miss the first turn in a game? I've done it before. It's not fair to regular players, that ended up not getting a chance to get to a computer, and instead automatically got kicked.


They join a new game and make sure they take their turn this time, so as not to ruin it for others - particlarly new recruits - likely to be in the same game + itching for a turn.
The OP was not aiming it at general missed turns just time-wasters I think
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby clangfield on Tue May 11, 2010 6:30 am

I think there are occasions where a first turn kick out is valid - such as if they are the last player to join and it's manual deployment. I've had 3 3-player games ruined recently by new players joining then never moving. I would however only apply it to new players who have never made a move.
Personally, I would like to see this:
New non-member players (freemiums) are only allowed to join games against other new players, until they have completed (say) 3 consecutive games in which they have taken at least 90% of their turns. So if they complete 2, then get kicked out, they start from zero again.
One could add to that that if they are kicked out of 2 consecutive games, they are automatically kicked out of all other active games.

Also I would say that 'unqualified' players are not allowed to join games with the same players. This would prevent a) the easiest form of newbie farming and b) people setting up multiple new accounts.

Okay so it's perhaps harsh on other new players who are genuinely trying to get interested and play, to burden them with all the no-shows, but at least they'll get some easy points :)

If there are genuine reasons for non-attendance then I'm happy for them to be able to appeal for reinstatement, but they should go through the qualification process again.

I am one of those who couldn't give a toss about how the sad people boost their rankings illegitimately - do they really think we're impressed by someone cheating their way to captain? - but I am concerned about time-wasters who might ruin the site.

I guess for paying members it would be different - they've paid, they can do what they like. But all the problems that I've had have been with no pay, no play
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby giantrascal on Fri May 14, 2010 9:43 pm

clangfield wrote:I think there are occasions where a first turn kick out is valid - such as if they are the last player to join and it's manual deployment. I've had 3 3-player games ruined recently by new players joining then never moving. I would however only apply it to new players who have never made a move.
Personally, I would like to see this:
New non-member players (freemiums) are only allowed to join games against other new players, until they have completed (say) 3 consecutive games in which they have taken at least 90% of their turns. So if they complete 2, then get kicked out, they start from zero again.
One could add to that that if they are kicked out of 2 consecutive games, they are automatically kicked out of all other active games.

Also I would say that 'unqualified' players are not allowed to join games with the same players. This would prevent a) the easiest form of newbie farming and b) people setting up multiple new accounts.

Okay so it's perhaps harsh on other new players who are genuinely trying to get interested and play, to burden them with all the no-shows, but at least they'll get some easy points :)

If there are genuine reasons for non-attendance then I'm happy for them to be able to appeal for reinstatement, but they should go through the qualification process again.

I am one of those who couldn't give a toss about how the sad people boost their rankings illegitimately - do they really think we're impressed by someone cheating their way to captain? - but I am concerned about time-wasters who might ruin the site.

I guess for paying members it would be different - they've paid, they can do what they like. But all the problems that I've had have been with no pay, no play

Big problem arises from this. with so few new recruits at any given time, games will never start and that just continues to the original issue, games moving in a timley manner. Because of the few players and available games, new recruits will be MORE likley to leave due to boredom.
I think that somthing should be implemented that a newb can instantly join into a game the second they register, even if its an addon to the site where they can play against an AI just so they can get a feel for the game. But whatever it is, get them to understand the game on their first visit.
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Postby shasha16 on Sun Jan 06, 2013 4:35 am

[b]Concise description: If you miss your first turn you are eliminated.


[b]Specifics/Details: once you have played your first go normal three strikes and you are out applies

[b]How this will benefit the site and/or other comments
I have been a member of another site where you were kicked out for missing a go. I don't agree with this. Games can go on for some time and there will be genuine reasons for missing a turn. However if you sign up for a game you should be available to play the first turn. I have not had a game where someone misses the first turn then goes on to play subsequent turns. It is almost inevitable if someone misses the first turn you will be waiting the full 24 hours again for them to miss turns 2 and 3. This suggestion will limit this waiting time and allow the game to get underway.

Sadly this problem mainly occurs with new recruits. We were all there but it seems thatsign up and don't play then do. Any suggestions how we help newbies to take part once they sign up. Eliminating players earlier does not also get over problem of games being messed up. I am currently in a 4 player games. 2 newbies took the final spaces and have not played. Looks like it will be a 2 player game with lots of neutrals which is not much fun.
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Re: Deadbeat for missing first turn

Postby greenoaks on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:32 am

shasha16 wrote:[b]Concise description: If you miss your first turn you are eliminated.


[b]Specifics/Details: once you have played your first go normal three strikes and you are out applies

[b]How this will benefit the site and/or other comments
I have been a member of another site where you were kicked out for missing a go. I don't agree with this. Games can go on for some time and there will be genuine reasons for missing a turn. However if you sign up for a game you should be available to play the first turn. I have not had a game where someone misses the first turn then goes on to play subsequent turns. It is almost inevitable if someone misses the first turn you will be waiting the full 24 hours again for them to miss turns 2 and 3. This suggestion will limit this waiting time and allow the game to get underway.

Sadly this problem mainly occurs with new recruits. We were all there but it seems thatsign up and don't play then do. Any suggestions how we help newbies to take part once they sign up. Eliminating players earlier does not also get over problem of games being messed up. I am currently in a 4 player games. 2 newbies took the final spaces and have not played. Looks like it will be a 2 player game with lots of neutrals which is not much fun.


so your suggestions is 'a great way to encourage new starters to hang around is to boot them immediately from the game.'

a simpler solution is if you send rds $25 he will make sure deadbeats don't bother you again for a whole 12 months.
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Re: Deadbeat for missing first turn

Postby Gillipig on Sun Jan 06, 2013 5:43 am

greenoaks wrote:
shasha16 wrote:[b]Concise description: If you miss your first turn you are eliminated.


[b]Specifics/Details: once you have played your first go normal three strikes and you are out applies

[b]How this will benefit the site and/or other comments
I have been a member of another site where you were kicked out for missing a go. I don't agree with this. Games can go on for some time and there will be genuine reasons for missing a turn. However if you sign up for a game you should be available to play the first turn. I have not had a game where someone misses the first turn then goes on to play subsequent turns. It is almost inevitable if someone misses the first turn you will be waiting the full 24 hours again for them to miss turns 2 and 3. This suggestion will limit this waiting time and allow the game to get underway.

Sadly this problem mainly occurs with new recruits. We were all there but it seems thatsign up and don't play then do. Any suggestions how we help newbies to take part once they sign up. Eliminating players earlier does not also get over problem of games being messed up. I am currently in a 4 player games. 2 newbies took the final spaces and have not played. Looks like it will be a 2 player game with lots of neutrals which is not much fun.


so your suggestions is 'a great way to encourage new starters to hang around is to boot them immediately from the game.'

a simpler solution is if you send rds $25 he will make sure deadbeats don't bother you again for a whole 12 months.

How? Will he take their turns?
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