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Re: Eliminate unrated plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby zimmah on Fri Dec 18, 2009 9:43 pm

don't be too harsh to newcomers, but on the other hand, they do indeed sometimes never show up at all.
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Re: Eliminate unrated plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby oceanfrank on Sat Dec 19, 2009 2:04 pm

Yeah I hear ya, not being harsh on newcomers, just suggesting moving the game past people who sign up out of curiosity but decide not to play.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby Private Gump on Mon Dec 21, 2009 10:23 am

I'd agree with you on this. I'm a newbie and have already been in several games with multiple deadbeats, which is frustrating to no end. I'd add a couple suggestions to this. Perhaps having some means for a person to retire from a game, rather than just abandoning it and wasting 3 days of their opponents time waiting for a deadbeat to take a turn. It also would give an opportunity to honorably concede when a game is obviously over. Another related suggestion is for there to be a visible statistic for the number of games a person has been kicked out of, or even kick them out of all games.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby Fuzzylogic99 on Mon Dec 21, 2009 11:18 am

def frustrating but doing this will encourage farming,Yes we have rules against farming but
that does not mean that some players would not ways around them.I could think of a few
ways myself that I could get around the rule

Also something might of happened that made them leave miss the turn and come back later.
Im sure that it happens a lot less than the player missing all three turns but to the players
who accidentally miss their first turn this would be a bit unfair to them.

anyways I dont see Lacks buying into this idea
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby jefjef on Mon Dec 21, 2009 5:06 pm

I say eliminate players in manual deployment games if they miss there deploy. This will eliminate some questionable strategies.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby ender516 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 3:00 am

Fuzzylogic99 wrote:def frustrating but doing this will encourage farming,Yes we have rules against farming but
that does not mean that some players would not ways around them.I could think of a few
ways myself that I could get around the rule

Also something might of happened that made them leave miss the turn and come back later.
Im sure that it happens a lot less than the player missing all three turns but to the players
who accidentally miss their first turn this would be a bit unfair to them.

anyways I dont see Lacks buying into this idea

It doesn't strike me as too harsh to toss a new recruit out of a game for missing the first turn. Have the system send a PM (or even an email if enabled) explaining what happened. The new recruit can always join another game.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby max is gr8 on Tue Dec 22, 2009 8:31 am

jefjef wrote:I say eliminate players in manual deployment games if they miss there deploy. This will eliminate some questionable strategies.


Only if the player does not lose points you are at a disadvantage if you miss deployment in a manual game. So don't punish that
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby Halmir on Tue Dec 22, 2009 9:46 am

I'd support this - I had one 8 player game with 4 deadbeats!! - but definitely needs an explanatory pm / email to them.

I think the problem is that quite a number of noobs will sign up and expect to be playing a game instantly (a la most other instant gratification vendors). It's been a while since I registered so can't remember if this was explained when I did sign up, but if not a few notes before the final "I accept the terms" button might be useful?

Or keep all noobs in a holding pen until they've completed their first few games :) If u wanted to be really nice, u could let them play 1 speed game out of their 4 just to whet their appetites ;)
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby colton24 on Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:06 am

Well I mean sometimes you can get busy and not find time for CC. RL is more important than CC and it can get in the way at times
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby oceanfrank on Tue Jan 12, 2010 4:04 pm

Was away for a bit....so it sounds like I am not alone in this quest. I was not sure about the farming concept, sound interesting though. However there was another point made. Many people sign up and leave because it takes too long. And a lot of the reason it takes too long is because of deadbeats signing up and quiting immediately. If they were removed, the game would go a lot faster and possibly keep new recruits. Myself, I try to avoid games with less than 6 people to avoid sitting around for several days just to play my 2nd and third round.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby ender516 on Tue Jan 12, 2010 6:51 pm

oceanfrank wrote:Was away for a bit....so it sounds like I am not alone in this quest. I was not sure about the farming concept, sound interesting though. However there was another point made. Many people sign up and leave because it takes too long. And a lot of the reason it takes too long is because of deadbeats signing up and quiting immediately. If they were removed, the game would go a lot faster and possibly keep new recruits. Myself, I try to avoid games with less than 6 people to avoid sitting around for several days just to play my 2nd and third round.

Funny, I stick mostly to games with just three or four people for the same reason. If you get into an 8-player game, it can be a long time between turns, if a few of those people take their time. But to the point of the matter, I do think it is not a great hardship to show up for at least the first turn of a game on time.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby JCKing on Wed Jan 13, 2010 9:47 am

Ocean,
What happens if people actually have a life and manage to miss the first turn in a game? I've done it before. It's not fair to regular players, that ended up not getting a chance to get to a computer, and instead automatically got kicked.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby ender516 on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:31 pm

JCKing wrote:Ocean,
What happens if people actually have a life and manage to miss the first turn in a game? I've done it before. It's not fair to regular players, that ended up not getting a chance to get to a computer, and instead automatically got kicked.

The proposal was to apply this policy only to new recruits.
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby nippersean on Wed Jan 13, 2010 7:45 pm

JCKing wrote:Ocean,
What happens if people actually have a life and manage to miss the first turn in a game? I've done it before. It's not fair to regular players, that ended up not getting a chance to get to a computer, and instead automatically got kicked.


They join a new game and make sure they take their turn this time, so as not to ruin it for others - particlarly new recruits - likely to be in the same game + itching for a turn.
The OP was not aiming it at general missed turns just time-wasters I think
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby clangfield on Tue May 11, 2010 6:30 am

I think there are occasions where a first turn kick out is valid - such as if they are the last player to join and it's manual deployment. I've had 3 3-player games ruined recently by new players joining then never moving. I would however only apply it to new players who have never made a move.
Personally, I would like to see this:
New non-member players (freemiums) are only allowed to join games against other new players, until they have completed (say) 3 consecutive games in which they have taken at least 90% of their turns. So if they complete 2, then get kicked out, they start from zero again.
One could add to that that if they are kicked out of 2 consecutive games, they are automatically kicked out of all other active games.

Also I would say that 'unqualified' players are not allowed to join games with the same players. This would prevent a) the easiest form of newbie farming and b) people setting up multiple new accounts.

Okay so it's perhaps harsh on other new players who are genuinely trying to get interested and play, to burden them with all the no-shows, but at least they'll get some easy points :)

If there are genuine reasons for non-attendance then I'm happy for them to be able to appeal for reinstatement, but they should go through the qualification process again.

I am one of those who couldn't give a toss about how the sad people boost their rankings illegitimately - do they really think we're impressed by someone cheating their way to captain? - but I am concerned about time-wasters who might ruin the site.

I guess for paying members it would be different - they've paid, they can do what they like. But all the problems that I've had have been with no pay, no play
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Re: Eliminate plyrs if they miss first turn of new game

Postby giantrascal on Fri May 14, 2010 9:43 pm

clangfield wrote:I think there are occasions where a first turn kick out is valid - such as if they are the last player to join and it's manual deployment. I've had 3 3-player games ruined recently by new players joining then never moving. I would however only apply it to new players who have never made a move.
Personally, I would like to see this:
New non-member players (freemiums) are only allowed to join games against other new players, until they have completed (say) 3 consecutive games in which they have taken at least 90% of their turns. So if they complete 2, then get kicked out, they start from zero again.
One could add to that that if they are kicked out of 2 consecutive games, they are automatically kicked out of all other active games.

Also I would say that 'unqualified' players are not allowed to join games with the same players. This would prevent a) the easiest form of newbie farming and b) people setting up multiple new accounts.

Okay so it's perhaps harsh on other new players who are genuinely trying to get interested and play, to burden them with all the no-shows, but at least they'll get some easy points :)

If there are genuine reasons for non-attendance then I'm happy for them to be able to appeal for reinstatement, but they should go through the qualification process again.

I am one of those who couldn't give a toss about how the sad people boost their rankings illegitimately - do they really think we're impressed by someone cheating their way to captain? - but I am concerned about time-wasters who might ruin the site.

I guess for paying members it would be different - they've paid, they can do what they like. But all the problems that I've had have been with no pay, no play

Big problem arises from this. with so few new recruits at any given time, games will never start and that just continues to the original issue, games moving in a timley manner. Because of the few players and available games, new recruits will be MORE likley to leave due to boredom.
I think that somthing should be implemented that a newb can instantly join into a game the second they register, even if its an addon to the site where they can play against an AI just so they can get a feel for the game. But whatever it is, get them to understand the game on their first visit.
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Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

Postby JohnnyPlsk on Fri Dec 24, 2010 6:49 am

Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

This is a very simple suggestion and it should be implemented because almost every time new recruit joins my game, he plays the first turn (or not even that) and then never shows up again. This will make most of the games much, much faster, because in a casual game you'll actually have to wait 72 hours for that inactive player to get kicked.

I don't have to write conclusions or anything else because this suggestion is simple and clear. This game would be more enjoyable without new players that stop playing after joining a game.
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Re: Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

Postby firsal901 on Sun Dec 26, 2010 3:14 am

maybe we should stick with the old rule because what if he left for work and forgot to check his games???? that's not fair

yes i know that the games are slower but then again, how will they make it big in cc if they dont have any experience
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Re: Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

Postby JohnnyPlsk on Sun Dec 26, 2010 5:57 am

Maybe, but then at least kick him after missing second turn - because that can't be coincidence...
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Re: Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

Postby greenoaks on Sun Dec 26, 2010 7:54 pm

how about we kick them after they miss 3 that way we have given them a couple of chances
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Re: Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

Postby JohnnyPlsk on Mon Dec 27, 2010 6:36 am

greenoaks wrote:how about we kick them after they miss 3 that way we have given them a couple of chances

That's the way it is and that's too much
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Re: Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

Postby JBlombier on Mon Dec 27, 2010 7:49 am

How about you buy Premium... That will give you the possibility to play speed games and more games at the time.
When I have a game with a deadbeat, I don't care. I got 20 more games going. Getting my point?
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Re: Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

Postby JohnnyPlsk on Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:06 am

Oh I see...it's all about money.
Then never mind, just close this thread.
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Re: Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

Postby JBlombier on Tue Dec 28, 2010 7:23 am

It's not about money at all. I played my first 400 games as a freemium player and never complained. Sure, there were deadbeats now and then, but there are ways to avoid games with New Recruits, because they are most likely to deadbeat in comparison to other players. Play team games, 6+ player games or games on complex maps and your problem will be solved 99% of the time.

I chose to buy premium, because I wanted to play more. The deadbeats had nothing to do with it.
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Re: Kick new recruits from game after missing the first turn

Postby greenoaks on Tue Dec 28, 2010 8:48 am

JBlombier wrote:It's not about money at all. I played my first 400 games as a freemium player and never complained. Sure, there were deadbeats now and then, but there are ways to avoid games with New Recruits, because they are most likely to deadbeat in comparison to other players. Play team games, 6+ player games or games on complex maps and your problem will be solved 99% of the time.

I chose to buy premium, because I wanted to play more. The deadbeats had nothing to do with it.

i too chose to buy premium because 4 wasn't enough, i had no idea what a deadbeat was

as i hover around 100 games i just don't notice

not even in speed games because i take the turns for the above mentioned games or i read the new posts in the forums
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