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Re: Wait periods in Fog games

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sun Aug 22, 2010 5:36 am

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TheForgivenOne wrote:This would completely ruin a lot of RT games for players that like to play on Fog of War. Maybe have it as an option.


no it wouldn't, players would select begin turn and then get to do nothing, then press end deployment. Similar to what you do for the manual round on city mogul. Thus the players in a rt game would just have to do that and then play the rest of it rt similar to now.


Careful, you can't tell people that something would/wouldn't be ruined for them. The option seems like a nice idea, and this reminds me of the FS double turn fix we had awhile back - just for fog instead. I think it's a nifty idea; especially in manual casual where a player can get a lot of his 1's taken off the board quickly for going second, which is a very large disadvantage. It would be like how some people choose manual for non-deploy maps (City Mogul etc) when it's freestyle to reduce the advantage the last person that joins has.
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Fog Delay the start

Postby HighlanderAttack on Thu Nov 04, 2010 2:29 pm

I suggest that when a fog game is initialized there is a one round or even a half a round delay before player one can take their first turn. There could be a button to press that says "seen drop-start" or something like that. This would allow fairness of seeing what the drop was prior to the first player taking their turn. The button could allow the game to start faster after all players have clicked on it stating they have seen the drop-let's get the game started.


I believe this would benefit the site greatly because it would make foggy games much more competitive and take away the advantage of going first. It would stop players from waiting to join fog games last just to see the drop and gain an unfair advantage. Many players show courtesy and allow their opponent(s) to see the drop before taking a turn anyway. This would just guarantee it.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby jefjef on Thu Nov 04, 2010 11:46 pm

If ya wanna see whats going on then don't play fog.

I mostly only play fog games. Mostly team 1. I don't always get to see the drop. Oh well. Thats all part of the game.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby HighlanderAttack on Fri Nov 05, 2010 12:24 pm

jefjef wrote:If ya wanna see whats going on then don't play fog.

I mostly only play fog games. Mostly team 1. I don't always get to see the drop. Oh well. Thats all part of the game.


I like fog too--but it should start off fairly--I usually even send a pm to my opponent out of courtesy so they get to see the drop before the game actually begins--this has nothing to do with preference between foggy and sunny.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby TheForgivenOne on Fri Nov 05, 2010 5:13 pm

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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby squishyg on Fri Feb 25, 2011 12:00 am

In the spirit of compromise, I support this idea. Clearly many feel passionate about this issue, and as it's no inconvenience to wait since the 24 hour clock hasn't started, I see no reason to oppose this suggestion.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby SirSebstar on Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:41 am

I concur that this would be a good rule in clan and tournament games, but this is a very bad idea to hardcode. e.g. what if someone plays once every 24 hours? i cannot be online every hour, so if i need to wait 12 hours, i will just have to miss my turn, or something
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby blakebowling on Mon Feb 28, 2011 4:42 pm

I don't like this, for reasons stated above, especially the fact that I'm not able to be on all the time. However, I would be fully in support of being able to see the territories you started with.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby TheForgivenOne on Mon Feb 28, 2011 6:11 pm

I think what trapyoung wanted was a 12 hour delay, THEN the 24 hour clock starts. Not 12 hour delay then you have 12 hours to take your turn.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby SirSebstar on Tue Mar 01, 2011 8:44 am

thats not how i read it, but okay. so then we have games that dont start for 36 hours.. and that only to please the few lads and ladies with firefox? cause nobody else bothers to take snapshots
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby Darwins_Bane on Tue Mar 01, 2011 11:19 am

I think its more encompassing than taking a snapshot. Knowing that your enemy is about to take a bonus can be useful. On the other hand, you are delaying games even further.
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Re: Delay start of Fog games

Postby Queen_Herpes on Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:47 pm

drunkmonkey wrote:I'd also like to see the name of the territory you lost in the fog. The way it works now doesn't make sense. It's like my general got a report saying, "Sir, we just lost 5 troops, but we have no idea where they were."


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I like the idea of the delay, but if you have a player who only gets on the site every 24 hours, does it add some frustration? I suppose those players can just avoid playing fog, or suck it up and deal with it. Overall, seems like a great idea and the arguments against it are limited and don't really disaffect gameplay for most players.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 4:54 pm

This seems to specifically deal with freestyle, not all games, even though that was not clarified in the initial post.

I am NOT in favor of this for sequential games... at all. Even for freestyle, when I did play, it was because I was more likely to get a quick game (especially 1 vs 1). This would utterly defeat that purpose. I stopped playing freestyle because I could not sit and wait people out.

If you make it an option, fine. However, this should not be forced on anyone.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby Queen_Herpes on Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:08 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:This seems to specifically deal with freestyle, not all games, even though that was not clarified in the initial post.

I am NOT in favor of this for sequential games... at all. Even for freestyle, when I did play, it was because I was more likely to get a quick game (especially 1 vs 1). This would utterly defeat that purpose. I stopped playing freestyle because I could not sit and wait people out.

If you make it an option, fine. However, this should not be forced on anyone.


I think they mean all games. e.g. an 8 player sequential 4v4 team game... 8th player joins the game for team 2... team 2 goes first... team 2 gets to "see" everything... team 2 attacks and conquers one or more territories... team 1 doesn't get to know which territory(ies) was/were taken.

But you are right, shouldn't be forced on anyone.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Mar 03, 2011 5:39 pm

Darwins_Bane wrote:I think its more encompassing than taking a snapshot. Knowing that your enemy is about to take a bonus can be useful. On the other hand, you are delaying games even further.

Exactly. As an option.. no problem. People who want this (clan competitions can specify it, tournaments can use it, etc.) fine. As a forced action.. no.
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Fog of War 24 Hr Delay

Postby osujacket on Thu Mar 24, 2011 9:23 pm

For fog of war would it be possible to put a delay in the game to allow a snapshot for both sides? This would prevents someone from starting the game without the other one getting a fair look at the map.

Once the snap shot was taken the person could end the turn and it could begin. It wouldnt have to last 24 hours.

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Re: Fog of War 24 Hr Delay

Postby Hannibał on Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:21 pm

I don't like the idea, FoW is FoW. Part of the fun of it is if your first and you can blind your opponent from much of the map they have to guess where you are, and vice versa if your the blinded. That's what I enjoy about it atleast.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

Postby TheForgivenOne on Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:38 pm

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Re: Fog of War 24 Hr Delay

Postby drunkmonkey on Fri Mar 25, 2011 11:36 am

Hannibał wrote:I don't like the idea, FoW is FoW. Part of the fun of it is if your first and you can blind your opponent from much of the map they have to guess where you are, and vice versa if your the blinded. That's what I enjoy about it atleast.


Part of the fun is the player who goes first getting an extra advantage? I feel comfortable saying you're in the tiny minority who believes that statement.
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Re: Fog of War 24 Hr Delay

Postby squishyg on Tue Apr 12, 2011 10:23 pm

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Hannibał wrote:I don't like the idea, FoW is FoW. Part of the fun of it is if your first and you can blind your opponent from much of the map they have to guess where you are, and vice versa if your the blinded. That's what I enjoy about it atleast.


Part of the fun is the player who goes first getting an extra advantage? I feel comfortable saying you're in the tiny minority who believes that statement.


I'm in that minority too. Fog is fog.

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I do support this suggestion, or automatic snapshots, or SOMETHING. However I feel compelled to address some followers of the Fog Party. I'm sick to death of receiving passive aggressive messages from players complaining about it not being fair that they didn't get a chance to use an advantage that many players don't have access to. I've made my thoughts on this "level playing field" clear and I don't want to derail the thread, so again, I support this suggestion.

In the meantime, if you want your opponent to wait to begin their turn, have the courtesy to message them and request this favor instead of being indignant that they didn't adhere to your rules of etiquette.
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Re: Fog Delay the start

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