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Postby Frederique on Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:36 pm

Yeah I meant it when they dead beat in the beginning of the game. I dont see how this can be an atvantage since there is hardly anything to start with. Especially with escalating the different between 3 players getting cards and 4 players getting cards, is huge already.
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Postby demon7896 on Mon Jan 28, 2008 9:39 pm

on that note, i don't think that deadbeat teammates should be able to give their armies to their teammates. it should at least be an option, and it could become a cheating strategy
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Postby InkL0sed on Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:29 pm

That would be a horrible cheating strategy, which is probably why it isn't done.
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no points awarded to deadbeats in team games

Postby Dardobul on Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:11 am

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  • in team games, deadbeats can win points if the remaining member/s of their team win the game. I think the points should be split between the non-deadbeating players.

Specifics:
  • I just finished a quadruples game where one of my opponents deadbeated. His team went on to win the game (we were *a bit* outranked :D ) and the deadbeat was awarded points! I dont see why it should be possible for someone to win points if they haven't put in the work. Elimination is different, team members that are eliminated SHOULD still get points(could be sacrificing themselves for the team), just the ones that dont play "to the end" should be affected. in a team game with a deadbeat on the winning team, the points should be awarded/distributed as follows:
    1.sum up points of remaining players on winning team and losing team(including any deadbeats).
    2.multiply winning team's total by the number of players on their opponents' team, divided by the number of people in their team.
    3. work out score assignments normally from there

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • it will stop people from freeloading points off other team members. Its not like I feel I was cheated out of points, its just unfair!

P.S. i did read through the gameplay sections of the suggestions box, so i hope this isn't a multiple thrad! if it is feel free to delete it mods!
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Re: no points awarded to deadbeats in team games

Postby oVo on Wed Mar 18, 2009 7:40 am

Your game went 10 Rounds, so the deadbeat lieutenant was present for most of the match.

You can rate him accordingly.
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Re: no points awarded to deadbeats in team games

Postby Dardobul on Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:26 am

i did, but i don't see why someone who can't be bothered to finish the game should still reap the rewards. As i said, its not because i personally feel cheated, it just seems unfair to my other opponents that they get the same share as someone who was prepared to let them do all the work. if the other three had had the same idea, or even if just one of the others had the same idea, my team would have probably won the match.
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Re: no points awarded to deadbeats in team games

Postby Joodoo on Wed Mar 18, 2009 8:39 am

1.I think in some rare situations deadbeating in team games is for a strategic purpose (especially for escalating)
2.if we don't count the deadbeat for awarding points, then the point distribution might be uneven...
ex.Player A,B, and C (Team 1) lost a triples game to Player D, E, and F (Team 2). However, Player F was a deadbeat. The players in Team 1 lost 51 points in total (17 from each player). If your suggestion was applied, then Player D would get 26 points and Player E would get 25 points...
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Re: no points awarded to deadbeats in team games

Postby lmac on Thu Mar 19, 2009 9:43 am

if you have a deadbeat partner and they get kicked out for missing too many turns, and you lose the game they should take the hit for points, the person(s)who stay in the game shouldnt lose any....
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Re: no points awarded to deadbeats in team games

Postby pmwfilm on Fri Apr 03, 2009 10:34 pm

My doubles partner NEVER PLAYED A SINGLE ROUND! He was kicked in R3. I went on to win 2v1 (i will next round.- https://www.conquerclub.com/game.php?game=4558055) and he is still going to get points for o 0% attendance game. BULL SHIT!
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deadbeat players should get no points

Postby sure on Fri Aug 03, 2012 1:22 am

My partner in a doubles game deadbeated after the first round, got kicked out in the 4th round and received half the point i won us in the 19th round. The Deadbeat partner should get zero points won in a game.
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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby Dibbun on Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:18 am

I agree with this. For those who will inevitably say that a deadbeat is sometimes tactical, that is an EXPLOIT and should not be rewarded in any way.
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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby Woodruff on Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:11 am

This makes sense to me. I believe "tactical deadbeat" should be considered "not in the spirit of the game", and I would think this could go significantly toward eliminating (or seriously reducing) the practice. After all, if you're not getting any points out of the action, it has to make you think about it more sternly, I would hope.
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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby trinicardinal on Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:52 am

Certainly from the point of view of a tactical deadbeat it should discourage it to some extent.... I like the sound of it overall although I can see some potential abuses coming out of this one but in a different way.
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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby patrickaa317 on Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:30 pm

I agree with this but if you each get 20 for the win, the non-dead beater shouldn't get 40. Just clarifying since you said he got half the points.

The calculation could be average of non-deadbeaters from winning team in comparison to all players from losing team.
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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby sure on Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:37 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:I agree with this but if you each get 20 for the win, the non-dead beater shouldn't get 40. Just clarifying since you said he got half the points.

The calculation could be average of non-deadbeaters from winning team in comparison to all players from losing team.


no, i mean the non dead beat would get all the points, from your example all 40. i just played an 8 player game, my partner deadbeated on the 2nd round and was kicked out on the 4th. i won it in the 19th round. i'm freak'n amazing, conquering the 6 other players who were still in as 3 teams. i should get 100% of the victor's points.

the deadbeat gets 0 and the surviving partner gets 100% of the victor's points for doing all the work.

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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby chapcrap on Fri Aug 03, 2012 8:39 pm

sure wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:I agree with this but if you each get 20 for the win, the non-dead beater shouldn't get 40. Just clarifying since you said he got half the points.

The calculation could be average of non-deadbeaters from winning team in comparison to all players from losing team.


no, i mean the non dead beat would get all the points, from your example all 40. i just played an 8 player game, my partner deadbeated on the 2nd round and was kicked out on the 4th. i won it in the 19th round. i'm freak'n amazing, conquering the 6 other players who were still in as 3 teams. i should get 100% of the victor's points.

the deadbeat gets 0 and the surviving partner gets 100% of the victor's points for doing all the work.

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Eh... That's not that hard in 8 player doubles.

I don't think the points can work out here, but I like the sentiment.
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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby MegaProphet on Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:02 pm

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patrickaa317 wrote:I agree with this but if you each get 20 for the win, the non-dead beater shouldn't get 40. Just clarifying since you said he got half the points.

The calculation could be average of non-deadbeaters from winning team in comparison to all players from losing team.


no, i mean the non dead beat would get all the points, from your example all 40. i just played an 8 player game, my partner deadbeated on the 2nd round and was kicked out on the 4th. i won it in the 19th round. i'm freak'n amazing, conquering the 6 other players who were still in as 3 teams. i should get 100% of the victor's points.

the deadbeat gets 0 and the surviving partner gets 100% of the victor's points for doing all the work.

~sure

But it wouldn't do much to prevent the 'tactical' deadbeating discussed above. In fact it could lead to a more experienced player tricking less experienced partners into deadbeating for tactical reasons and steal all their points for himself.
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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby Woodruff on Fri Aug 03, 2012 9:24 pm

MegaProphet wrote:
sure wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:I agree with this but if you each get 20 for the win, the non-dead beater shouldn't get 40. Just clarifying since you said he got half the points.

The calculation could be average of non-deadbeaters from winning team in comparison to all players from losing team.


no, i mean the non dead beat would get all the points, from your example all 40. i just played an 8 player game, my partner deadbeated on the 2nd round and was kicked out on the 4th. i won it in the 19th round. i'm freak'n amazing, conquering the 6 other players who were still in as 3 teams. i should get 100% of the victor's points.

the deadbeat gets 0 and the surviving partner gets 100% of the victor's points for doing all the work.

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But it wouldn't do much to prevent the 'tactical' deadbeating discussed above. In fact it could lead to a more experienced player tricking less experienced partners into deadbeating for tactical reasons and steal all their points for himself.


Agreed. It would definitely have to NOT give the survivor all of the points. As chapcrap said, the points may not work out...and yet, I don't personally find that to be critical. I don't think that should be a relevant reason for rejecting this suggestion.
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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby Kaskavel on Fri Aug 03, 2012 10:03 pm

sure wrote:My partner in a doubles game deadbeated after the first round, got kicked out in the 4th round and received half the point i won us in the 19th round. The Deadbeat partner should get zero points won in a game.


And your opponents should apparently lose all their points...

And by the way, to become more serious, I support the suggestion.
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Re: deadbeat players should get no points

Postby VectorxMan on Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:29 pm

sure wrote:My partner in a doubles game deadbeated after the first round, got kicked out in the 4th round and received half the point i won us in the 19th round. The Deadbeat partner should get zero points won in a game.

I like it!

However, I can see an upcoming abuse where multis may purposefully deadbeat to give their 'main' account all the points. Therefore the winner should only get the set 50% of the game's winnings. Also if only 50% of the points will be awarded then a way to prevent losing the other half to cyberspace is to have the losing players contribute 50%. So in essence a deadbeated teammate may prove the perseverance and dedication of the winner, but it'll let the losers off the hook by only losing half of their intended loot.

By the way would this translate without any hiccups if this were to be applied to trips and quads?
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Re: Don't Award Points to Deadbeat or Rule Violating Partner

Postby JamesKer1 on Sun Oct 27, 2013 9:47 pm

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