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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby PLAYER57832 on Thu Feb 17, 2011 10:25 pm

The scores are already weighted pretty highly against those of high rank.
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby Mr_Adams on Thu Feb 17, 2011 11:12 pm

PLAYER57832 wrote:The scores are already weighted pretty highly against those of high rank.



That's what I'm saying.
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby mybad on Fri Feb 18, 2011 7:18 am

ok, I get what you guys are saying, just to be clear, I'm trying to get a dialogue started about a better scoring system. I think it's unfair to high and low ranks that there's an incentive for them not to play. any suggestion is welcome, as is negative feedback, such as supportive arguments for the current system. thanks.
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby PLAYER57832 on Fri Feb 18, 2011 10:50 am

I like the idea of posting a person's highest rank. however, to tie it to points would be a mistake. Go over some of the past suggestions for modifying score (some of the best are pretty old), then re-think your suggestion.
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby mybad on Fri Feb 18, 2011 11:10 am

yeah, honestly after talking to you guys and woodruff in the "can I quit" thread, I'm starting to realize that any way we figured out to make it work would just end up being abused.
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby PLAYER57832 on Sat Feb 19, 2011 11:39 am

mybad wrote:yeah, honestly after talking to you guys and woodruff in the "can I quit" thread, I'm starting to realize that any way we figured out to make it work would just end up being abused.

No, but that kind of attitude is why a lot of old-timers respond as we do. It's a matter of not wanting to "reinvent the wheel" (that is go over things already covered many times).

The TRUTH is that the scoring system has been discussed, discussed and discussed. MANY ideas have been presented that seem great, until you really look at the data and impacts. There have been more than a few committees (closed, open only to specific people to cut down on garbage posts) specifically analysing this.

I am suggesting that rather than us going through and explaining what we remember from all those discussions (the public ones, of course), it would be worthwhile for you to go back and read those suggestions, THEN we won't be
"reinventing the wheel".
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby mybad on Mon Feb 21, 2011 11:03 am

ok give me some keywords so I don't miss anything.

has an opt-out, or seperate leagues been discussed?
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby Queen_Herpes on Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:06 am

I like the idea of auto-displaying each member's highest point total and highest rank held. This helps to show that the player (at some point) was really "good" or perhaps they have been consistently "bad." (good and bad in quotes on purpose.) This would help players to know that the player has potential (or not.)
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby TheForgivenOne on Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:12 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:I like the idea of auto-displaying each member's highest point total and highest rank held. This helps to show that the player (at some point) was really "good" or perhaps they have been consistently "bad." (good and bad in quotes on purpose.) This would help players to know that the player has potential (or not.)


This I always agreed with, I thought it would be neat to see everyone's highest rank/score held. I just don't like the fact of weighing in your highest score into points.
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby Queen_Herpes on Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:20 am

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Queen_Herpes wrote:I like the idea of auto-displaying each member's highest point total and highest rank held. This helps to show that the player (at some point) was really "good" or perhaps they have been consistently "bad." (good and bad in quotes on purpose.) This would help players to know that the player has potential (or not.)


This I always agreed with, I thought it would be neat to see everyone's highest rank/score held. I just don't like the fact of weighing in your highest score into points.


I will argue in the future to support weighing in the highest score/rank into points. For now, I'm happy to just see everyone's highest rank and highest points. Should a separate thread be created, or do you think the OP would be willing to amend the sug to simply show everyone's highest rank and highest score? (assuming the database carries such information on the backside...)
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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby TheForgivenOne on Tue Mar 08, 2011 2:07 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:
TheForgivenOne wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:I like the idea of auto-displaying each member's highest point total and highest rank held. This helps to show that the player (at some point) was really "good" or perhaps they have been consistently "bad." (good and bad in quotes on purpose.) This would help players to know that the player has potential (or not.)


This I always agreed with, I thought it would be neat to see everyone's highest rank/score held. I just don't like the fact of weighing in your highest score into points.


I will argue in the future to support weighing in the highest score/rank into points. For now, I'm happy to just see everyone's highest rank and highest points. Should a separate thread be created, or do you think the OP would be willing to amend the sug to simply show everyone's highest rank and highest score? (assuming the database carries such information on the backside...)


qwert had a thread that had support, but slowly lost interest. Maybe bringing that back up out of the depths?

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Re: Rank Addendum

Postby Fewnix on Sun Nov 24, 2013 4:14 pm

Given CC now shows the point range, can we revive this archived discussion about showing a moving average or mean or median ranking ?

Pretty please? :-s

mybad wrote:it would also be kind of like a badge for shitty cooks, like me. I could be like "hey I was a sergeant for 20 minutes once". then 10% less people on this site could laugh at me and order sandwiches.

Fewnix wrote:I like the idea. If you look at the score graph provided by BoB, you can get a rough idea of the range of scores and the progress of the players ranking, with highs and lows. So you have a rough sense of how a player ranks over the long term or in the recent period. A moving average or mean or median ranking might be doable in some hard number format.

For example, the graphical score for a player shows a range between a low of 1300 and a high of 1800 in the last hundred or so games. Is this a player who, "on average", is a career officer, ranked over 1600 . with had a few bad streaks or, is this someone who at least half the time was stuck in the ranks, below 4010 and had a couple of "lucky "streaks to bring the occasional 1700 to 1800 score?

There are three ways to calculate the "average" for a range like this:

1) add the lowest score, 1300, and the highest score, 1800, and divide by 2 =1550.
2) add up all the scores and divide by the total number of games.
3) Rank the scores from lowest to highest and identify the score that is the mid point.

Variations that might be doable and desirable might be to post both the "average" ranking over the last 10 games and the last 100 games.That should give a reasonably "true" ranking with good and bad streaks identified


I like where you're going with this. a more comprehensive stats system, instead of treating points like a wallet balance.

The point to my suggestion is because I want more activity for the site. more games. if I gave a shit about score I'd play for score instead of fun and be an elitist nerd like Mr. Adams. I just think it's more fair for everybody if #1 - people weren't threatened with the prospect of large point losses for playing new or low-ranked players, and #2 - we had a better idea of a player's actual stats, instead of simply how many points we stand to gain or lose pending elimination.
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