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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby Dibbun on Sun Jul 31, 2011 12:40 pm

Lack has already said on multiple occasions that he doesn't want there to be rank restrictions on games. Use the "Callouts" forum.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby OliverFA on Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:22 pm

zimmah wrote:there's many different maps, and if you specialize in 1 map/setting you'll constantly beat people playing your settings (no matter NR or high-ranked players that happen to play other settings). however if you play said player (which should have a high rank because of farming those settings) on your map, you'll beat hm with ease. So score is just settings-wide, not global, yet, the score is globaly equal, which means even if you play a map you don't know, your score will be just the same, not actually representing your skill in those settings.


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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby tkr4lf on Sun Jul 31, 2011 1:41 pm

OliverFA wrote:
zimmah wrote:there's many different maps, and if you specialize in 1 map/setting you'll constantly beat people playing your settings (no matter NR or high-ranked players that happen to play other settings). however if you play said player (which should have a high rank because of farming those settings) on your map, you'll beat hm with ease. So score is just settings-wide, not global, yet, the score is globaly equal, which means even if you play a map you don't know, your score will be just the same, not actually representing your skill in those settings.


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That is true. But completely irrelevant to the discussion.

So what if somebody's score doesn't accurately reflect their skill? As long as people can play the maps/settings that they desire, without fear of getting into trouble because too many NR's join their games, then that's all that should matter. As long as people are having fun. That is the point of this whole web site, is it not?
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:42 pm

zimmah wrote:there's many different maps, and if you specialize in 1 map/setting you'll constantly beat people playing your settings (no matter NR or high-ranked players that happen to play other settings).


I don't think that is true on all cases. I could play Classic map on a simple setting all day, and doesn't mean i'm gonna get good at it.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:16 pm

Dibbun wrote:Lack has already said on multiple occasions that he doesn't want there to be rank restrictions on games.


Yes, I know...in fact, I've plainly stated as much in the post you're responding to. Do you even bother to read what other people type?
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:17 pm

tkr4lf wrote:
OliverFA wrote:
zimmah wrote:there's many different maps, and if you specialize in 1 map/setting you'll constantly beat people playing your settings (no matter NR or high-ranked players that happen to play other settings). however if you play said player (which should have a high rank because of farming those settings) on your map, you'll beat hm with ease. So score is just settings-wide, not global, yet, the score is globaly equal, which means even if you play a map you don't know, your score will be just the same, not actually representing your skill in those settings.


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That is true. But completely irrelevant to the discussion.

So what if somebody's score doesn't accurately reflect their skill? As long as people can play the maps/settings that they desire, without fear of getting into trouble because too many NR's join their games, then that's all that should matter. As long as people are having fun. That is the point of this whole web site, is it not?


Actually, it's a counter to a point that was brought up earlier in the thread, so it's certainly relevant.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:18 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:
zimmah wrote:there's many different maps, and if you specialize in 1 map/setting you'll constantly beat people playing your settings (no matter NR or high-ranked players that happen to play other settings).


I don't think that is true on all cases. I could play Classic map on a simple setting all day, and doesn't mean i'm gonna get good at it.


It should, quite frankly. Or, I suppose to put it in simpler terms, you will become as good at that map as you CAN get...I suppose that's not necessarily the same as "good" if you simply have no talent for the game.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:21 pm

Woodruff wrote:
TheForgivenOne wrote:
zimmah wrote:there's many different maps, and if you specialize in 1 map/setting you'll constantly beat people playing your settings (no matter NR or high-ranked players that happen to play other settings).


I don't think that is true on all cases. I could play Classic map on a simple setting all day, and doesn't mean i'm gonna get good at it.


It should, quite frankly. Or, I suppose to put it in simpler terms, you will become as good at that map as you CAN get...I suppose that's not necessarily the same as "good" if you simply have no talent for the game.


That's what I meant. Just because you play a map/setting all day, doesn't mean you are gonna constantly beat people on it. If you aren't talented, like me, you may have to rely on luck/drop/dice.
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Re: Prevent New Members being farmed for points

Postby zimmah on Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:31 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
TheForgivenOne wrote:
zimmah wrote:there's many different maps, and if you specialize in 1 map/setting you'll constantly beat people playing your settings (no matter NR or high-ranked players that happen to play other settings).


I don't think that is true on all cases. I could play Classic map on a simple setting all day, and doesn't mean i'm gonna get good at it.


It should, quite frankly. Or, I suppose to put it in simpler terms, you will become as good at that map as you CAN get...I suppose that's not necessarily the same as "good" if you simply have no talent for the game.


That's what I meant. Just because you play a map/setting all day, doesn't mean you are gonna constantly beat people on it. If you aren't talented, like me, you may have to rely on luck/drop/dice.


ok, constantly might be a little over the top but still enough to get to a rank like major/colonel.

also, haven't even talked about team games with arranged (veteran) teams. (or worse, a veteran with a low-score buddy who follows strict orders from the veteran without fail). against a team consisting of random individuals, who lack any teamwork skills. Those games are often onesided.

take for example david hoekstra, he has a really high score and a high win ratio. however he basicly plays 3 different maps. (waterloo, europa and city mogul). now if someone would take a different map and challange him in settings he's really good at, david may lose much more often then he'd normally would. that's just common sense. it's very unlikely someone is equally good in all maps and settings possible.
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