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Re: Limiting games to Rank (Option)

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sun May 29, 2011 4:11 pm

nvrijn wrote:I mean it's optional right? If it was mandatory, folks who disagree would be affected, and have valid objections. But how does giving a player who wants to start a game the option of limiting it to 2 ranks above and below him, dramatically change things for the worse for everyone else? Options are good.


Yes, but the admin's aren't going to start adding everything just because "Well hey, it's an option!" This site would be riddled with a ton of useless game settings and different things that don't get used, which take up space.

You seriously don't know how many times I have heard "Well, it's an option, you don't have to use it" as an excuse to implement something. It really get's annoying.
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Re: Limiting games to Rank (Option)

Postby stahrgazer on Sun May 29, 2011 6:08 pm

Most people like the idea.

And yes, rank segregation exists; but it's not "sponsored" by the site. Because it "looks odd," for the site to sponsor it by coding to enable it more, they're not going to do it, even if it would make things easier for various ranks to avoid accusations of farming because they want to open 50 games on a given map and settings.

Politics, you see.
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Re: Limiting games to Rank (Option)

Postby nvrijn on Mon May 30, 2011 2:41 am

You seriously don't know how many times I have heard "Well, it's an option, you don't have to use it" as an excuse to implement something. It really get's annoying.


I can believe it. :roll: But that's how most new ideas get implemented right? I can't think of the last "mandatory" change in the rules I've seen.

I agree with you that if the excuse to implement something is primarily
I think it could be useful and you could make it optional
, then that is a good reason to just say no.

But if the idea has merit ... if it can be shown to add demonstrated value for a significant number of players, that's a rather different case. It's a high barrier ... I think this suggestion meets it for the reasons stated.

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Re: Limiting games to Rank (Option)

Postby Papaj on Thu Jun 02, 2011 3:33 am

I think this is a good idea for implementing it.
There should be the 3rd game type besides public and private.
That rank limited game type may be named just as rank limited.
The game is based not only on a strategy but also on a luck and there should be an option to avoid losing so many score points by high ranked players.
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Re: Limiting games to Rank (Option)

Postby SirSebstar on Fri Jun 03, 2011 4:12 am

This is a bad idea. Rank segregation is a nono in suggestions and rightly denied. If you want to pick your ranks, play password protected games.
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A Ranking System Game, If Chosen.

Postby majorheadache876 on Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:25 pm

Perhaps adding a new sort of "ranking system" to the games (if you CC mods have enough time on your hands) will give the cooks an easier battle; thus giving them a chance to play against other cooks, and perhaps cadets if they so choose, as opposed to being slaughtered by majors who have played thousands of games, and understand maps like the back of their hands.

" www.pogo.com " allows chess players, risk players, and other gamers a chance to have a ranking system; similar to the points and ranking system on CC.
If players on pogo suggest "play rated game" they will start at, say, 1000 points: only players who have within 900 points (from losing so many games) or 1100 points (from winning x amount) will be able to play against the person with 1000.

I know. I am not yet an inventor yet, because I'm only 4 years old. But thanks for the compliments...
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Re: A Ranking System Game, If Chosen.

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:45 pm

MERGING with similar suggestions.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby Woodruff on Mon Aug 01, 2011 11:20 pm

Let's just make certain that we don't allow real discussion of the idea by trying to bury it in the rejected pile, because we cannot possibly allow a functionality that has widespread support to happen. One time a long time ago, lackattack decided he didn't want this, so we will simply continue to parrot that line unthinkingly, never mention it to him again, and not bother to try to get the poor unaware bastard to consider changing his mind. That is a brilliant piece of customer service right there, I'll tell you...brilliant! I can see why you guys are SUGGESTIONS MODERATORS. You must've passed the "sky is blue because lackattack said it was" test.
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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby JoshyBoy on Tue Aug 02, 2011 5:10 am

Woodruff wrote:Let's just make certain that we don't allow real discussion of the idea by trying to bury it in the rejected pile, because we cannot possibly allow a functionality that has widespread support to happen. One time a long time ago, lackattack decided he didn't want this, so we will simply continue to parrot that line unthinkingly, never mention it to him again, and not bother to try to get the poor unaware bastard to consider changing his mind. That is a brilliant piece of customer service right there, I'll tell you...brilliant! I can see why you guys are SUGGESTIONS MODERATORS. You must've passed the "sky is blue because lackattack said it was" test.


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Re: Let newbies protect temselves from farming with Rank Fil

Postby Metsfanmax on Tue Aug 02, 2011 7:12 am

Woodruff wrote:Let's just make certain that we don't allow real discussion of the idea by trying to bury it in the rejected pile, because we cannot possibly allow a functionality that has widespread support to happen. One time a long time ago, lackattack decided he didn't want this, so we will simply continue to parrot that line unthinkingly, never mention it to him again, and not bother to try to get the poor unaware bastard to consider changing his mind. That is a brilliant piece of customer service right there, I'll tell you...brilliant! I can see why you guys are SUGGESTIONS MODERATORS. You must've passed the "sky is blue because lackattack said it was" test.


If you would like to spend your time trying to convince him to change his mind on this, you are welcome to, but as long as it is his position, we are going to spend our time focusing on the Suggestions which are likely to get implemented, if any. There's already like 40 things sitting in Suggested. It makes no sense to spend our time arguing for the one thing he specifically said no to.
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Why is there no ratings blocker??

Postby georgizhukov on Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:20 pm

I am so sick of playing chefs, why has CC not put the option to only allow certain ranks into a game?
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Re: Why is there no ratings blocker??

Postby Timminz on Wed Aug 03, 2011 12:27 pm

Ratings and rank are two separate things.
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Re: Why is there no ratings blocker??

Postby rdsrds2120 on Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:55 pm

CC has never liked the idea of restricting who others can play, or at least that's what I've concluded from the various rejected suggestions in the Suggs forum. However, you may want to look at our Calloutssection for threads with links to games that assume a standard rank (2000, 2500, and 3000+ points, for example). If you want, post in a applicable thread and find someone with games to join. Hopefully, this will help solve your problem.

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Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby jammyjames on Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:09 am

Concise description:

  • Allow restrictions on rank when starting a game
  • Make Pelo war classified as a difficult map

Specifics/Details:

  • Implement the addition for a minimum score to be established when creating a game, this will enable high ranked players such as myself not be listed as farmers as they can choose the level of competition they desire.
  • Add peloponnesian war to the 'difficult' maps list. I enjoy playing 5 man freestyle games on that map and all i seem to get is a bunch of new recruits joining. The Rank restriction would allow me to continue playing this map and setting without the worry of the "farming" accusation that flies around.
How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:

  • Create less farming NR's thread's in the C&A forum
  • Enable NR's a better first game experience... (they won't know what a conquest map is)
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby LFAW on Mon Aug 22, 2011 6:20 am

FARMER

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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby MoB Deadly on Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:19 am

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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby Victor Sullivan on Mon Aug 22, 2011 7:46 am

Not happening, I'm afraid.

viewtopic.php?f=471&t=122108

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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Aug 22, 2011 5:34 pm

The rank filter suggestion has indeed been rejected numerous times due to the exclusionary atmosphere it might create for newer players. I'd like to hear some more comments about Pelo War in particular, though -- you might have a case for that map.
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby Dibbun on Tue Aug 23, 2011 3:36 am

The Callouts forum is your friend. Make it private and post about it so you people have to request the pw to join.

Agree with Pelo going difficult, but any sort of rank filter is morally wrong.
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby jammyjames on Tue Aug 23, 2011 4:22 am

Dibbun wrote:The Callouts forum is your friend. Make it private and post about it so you people have to request the pw to join.

Agree with Pelo going difficult, but any sort of rank filter is morally wrong.


Care to elaborate as to why it is morally wrong? i would like to hear more reasoning for this.

And if you make games private then they seem to take a huge while longer for anyone to join them
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby blakebowling on Tue Aug 23, 2011 6:37 pm

jammyjames wrote:
Dibbun wrote:The Callouts forum is your friend. Make it private and post about it so you people have to request the pw to join.

Agree with Pelo going difficult, but any sort of rank filter is morally wrong.


Care to elaborate as to why it is morally wrong? i would like to hear more reasoning for this.

And if you make games private then they seem to take a huge while longer for anyone to join them

People don't like the idea of a rank filter for the following (general) reasons:
They won't ever get games due to their rank
They won't be able to play with their friends because of their rank
They seem to have some strange emotion that makes them care about others than themselves (elaborate)
Everyone will become infatuated with their score, and become more pompous than ever imaginable. (This comment is not directed at any member in particular, I just don't like people that focus too much on score)
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby ViperOverLord on Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:42 pm

Victor Sullivan wrote:Not happening, I'm afraid.

viewtopic.php?f=471&t=122108

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My friend and potential future lover, squishyg pointed this out in that thread:

squishyg wrote:I think the concern with this suggestion is that new players would be frustrated by the lack of games they would be allowed to play if such a filter was put in place. If new players don't join, new premium accounts don't get purchased.


I would gladly concede this point if not for one factor. I believe that CC has the critical mass of low ranked players that there'd be plenty of games open/filled quickly. And its not like we would need to make a ton of restrictions that would be frustrating. Even if you just had a 1600 plus option then that'd be good. Or if you want to start at 1800 plus or 2000 plus. Heck start at 3000 plus for all I care. Right now most of the 3000 plus players are just battling themselves anyhow. At least eliminate that hassle of callouts and give us a fun option to shoot for.
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby jammyjames on Fri Aug 26, 2011 5:59 am

Any thoughts on the Pelo war move suggestion?
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:02 am

jammyjames wrote:Any thoughts on the Pelo war move suggestion?


I could bring it up with the higher ups if people truly believe this map should be included in the "Non-joinable" list for New Recruits.
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Re: Rank Restrictions / Make Pelo war "Difficult"

Postby greenoaks on Sat Aug 27, 2011 1:47 am

make the games Term instead of Standard and you won't get any NR's
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