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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Mon Oct 24, 2011 10:19 pm

benga wrote:Support!

But tournament players should also do it now.


really all they can do is a pm or post in the thread. which that does get done. but only by the motivated. i think if there were an option that it would be more frequent.

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chapcrap wrote:As a TO of over 50 tournaments (some ongoing), I support this. Not just for the tournament participants to get information on how good the tournament will be run, but also for the TOs to get feedback on how they are doing so that they know where they can improve and what the players would like to see done better and differently.

Fuzzy316 wrote:I would support this as well. I think that there should be room for actual feedback, up to a certain number of characters, and not just a few radio buttons and star ratings alone. This allows for better feedback. Or perhaps, the option to "Send TO feedback" where they can send an email to the TO.

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I love the idea...however players can pm the TO's now and let them know what they think so maybe the send to feedback may not be necessary once feed back can be posted... All in all its a great idea!


this is similiar to the previous argument. another thing that just simple feed back will not solve is the TO rating. there could be 3 "5 star" categories. i've been in some pretty draggy tournaments, and wish i had some sort of indication before i got in it. this will not be foolproof, but i think it will help a good bit. i understand that people say the player rating is flawed. but even so, if someone has a 3.5 rating you can pretty much tell you're going to get problems out of him in a game. this would be the same for joining tours. plus there are not too many players that may tend to abuse the rating system that join tourns. it should stay accurate. also people that manage their tourns. well will get high ratings, and this will only motivate to do better each time. everyone wants to play in well run tourns.

greenoaks wrote:i don't support this.

the current rating system of giving a rating and having it replace the previous rating does not give a true indication of the TO.


not sure what you mean here. i'm not saying replace the player rating. i'm saying add a TO rating. so someone that has run tournaments will have two ratings. or it may just show up in join tournaments thread. i dont know how all that coding works,
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby Night Strike on Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:55 pm

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
greenoaks wrote:i don't support this.

the current rating system of giving a rating and having it replace the previous rating does not give a true indication of the TO.


not sure what you mean here. i'm not saying replace the player rating. i'm saying add a TO rating. so someone that has run tournaments will have two ratings. or it may just show up in join tournaments thread. i dont know how all that coding works,


No one knows how that coding works because it doesn't exist. Greenoaks is talking about how with player ratings, you can re-rate a player later on when you play them again and that the new rating completely replaces the old rating. So you may rate someone today as a great player, but if you rate them poorly after a game 6 months from now, only the bad rating will show up. He's assuming the same thing would happen in tournaments, where a great organizer may have all good ratings but then suddenly have an emergency and have to leave the site and abandons several tournaments which lead to bad ratings (which has happened before). The only thing one would see is the bad rating and not the experience.
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby Dukasaur on Tue Oct 25, 2011 12:55 pm

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WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
greenoaks wrote:i don't support this.

the current rating system of giving a rating and having it replace the previous rating does not give a true indication of the TO.


not sure what you mean here. i'm not saying replace the player rating. i'm saying add a TO rating. so someone that has run tournaments will have two ratings. or it may just show up in join tournaments thread. i dont know how all that coding works,


No one knows how that coding works because it doesn't exist. Greenoaks is talking about how with player ratings, you can re-rate a player later on when you play them again and that the new rating completely replaces the old rating. So you may rate someone today as a great player, but if you rate them poorly after a game 6 months from now, only the bad rating will show up. He's assuming the same thing would happen in tournaments, where a great organizer may have all good ratings but then suddenly have an emergency and have to leave the site and abandons several tournaments which lead to bad ratings (which has happened before). The only thing one would see is the bad rating and not the experience.

Yeah, I think this system would only be meaningful if it kept track of all ratings.

Also, I think it would be a good idea to have some kind of a "timeline" function, so you can see if your ratings are going up or not and follow trends.
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Tue Oct 25, 2011 10:53 pm

Dukasaur wrote:
Night Strike wrote:
WILLIAMS5232 wrote:
greenoaks wrote:i don't support this.

the current rating system of giving a rating and having it replace the previous rating does not give a true indication of the TO.


not sure what you mean here. i'm not saying replace the player rating. i'm saying add a TO rating. so someone that has run tournaments will have two ratings. or it may just show up in join tournaments thread. i dont know how all that coding works,


No one knows how that coding works because it doesn't exist. Greenoaks is talking about how with player ratings, you can re-rate a player later on when you play them again and that the new rating completely replaces the old rating. So you may rate someone today as a great player, but if you rate them poorly after a game 6 months from now, only the bad rating will show up. He's assuming the same thing would happen in tournaments, where a great organizer may have all good ratings but then suddenly have an emergency and have to leave the site and abandons several tournaments which lead to bad ratings (which has happened before). The only thing one would see is the bad rating and not the experience.

Yeah, I think this system would only be meaningful if it kept track of all ratings.

Also, I think it would be a good idea to have some kind of a "timeline" function, so you can see if your ratings are going up or not and follow trends.


I Agree with this too. the rating for each tournament should stick. and for the next one have a whole new rating. that way it shows trends,
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby kuma32478 on Wed Oct 26, 2011 1:52 pm

this has my support as well
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby patrickaa317 on Sun Oct 30, 2011 1:05 pm

Love the idea. =D>
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby MrGlassB on Tue Nov 01, 2011 12:01 am

I somewhat support this. Imho the current player rating system is virtually useless and meaningless, unless the player has a terrible rating. Otherwise, it's just a bunch of 5-star ratings from people trying to get the medal. I think basing a TO rating on this system would be just as useless.

I would rather see a rating system for tournaments that automatically averages to a TO rating.

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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby ubcman64 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:03 pm

what i'd rather see than a rating system (since the current system is of almost no value imho) is more of an informational listing of TO's. a listing that would give all their stats such as tournaments started and finished. whether the have any abandoned tournaments. types of tournaments run, size of tournament, length of time to complete, and so on.
i think seeing this type of information would help a person determine if they want to participate in a particular TO's tournament, better than any rating system would do. think of it as CC's version of the Better Business Bureau, without the grading. my 2 cents. :D
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby chapcrap on Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:33 pm

ubcman64 wrote:what i'd rather see than a rating system (since the current system is of almost no value imho) is more of an informational listing of TO's. a listing that would give all their stats such as tournaments started and finished. whether the have any abandoned tournaments. types of tournaments run, size of tournament, length of time to complete, and so on.
i think seeing this type of information would help a person determine if they want to participate in a particular TO's tournament, better than any rating system would do. think of it as CC's version of the Better Business Bureau, without the grading. my 2 cents. :D

As far as that goes, I would like to at least see some tags be able to be used because Some TOs send PMs. Some will send you follow up PMs with additional tournaments that they run. Some start games quickly. Some leave the tournaments sit for a bit. It's good to know that information as a player.
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby ubcman64 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:34 pm

chapcrap wrote:
ubcman64 wrote:what i'd rather see than a rating system (since the current system is of almost no value imho) is more of an informational listing of TO's. a listing that would give all their stats such as tournaments started and finished. whether the have any abandoned tournaments. types of tournaments run, size of tournament, length of time to complete, and so on.
i think seeing this type of information would help a person determine if they want to participate in a particular TO's tournament, better than any rating system would do. think of it as CC's version of the Better Business Bureau, without the grading. my 2 cents. :D

As far as that goes, I would like to at least see some tags be able to be used because Some TOs send PMs. Some will send you follow up PMs with additional tournaments that they run. Some start games quickly. Some leave the tournaments sit for a bit. It's good to know that information as a player.


yes, exactly
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby patrickaa317 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:37 pm

ubcman64 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
ubcman64 wrote:what i'd rather see than a rating system (since the current system is of almost no value imho) is more of an informational listing of TO's. a listing that would give all their stats such as tournaments started and finished. whether the have any abandoned tournaments. types of tournaments run, size of tournament, length of time to complete, and so on.
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As far as that goes, I would like to at least see some tags be able to be used because Some TOs send PMs. Some will send you follow up PMs with additional tournaments that they run. Some start games quickly. Some leave the tournaments sit for a bit. It's good to know that information as a player.


yes, exactly


I agree but I don't think it'd deter my interest in joining the tourney. If you set up a pretty fun looking one and I'm down for some add'l games, I'm not going to avoid it just because you aren't the best TO.

I still like the idea though.
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby ubcman64 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 10:47 pm

patrickaa317 wrote:I agree but I don't think it'd deter my interest in joining the tourney. If you set up a pretty fun looking one and I'm down for some add'l games, I'm not going to avoid it just because you aren't the best TO.

I still like the idea though.


most people on this site probably don't care. but there are some that do. personally i join most tournaments based on the type or whether it's a TPA event. there may be a couple of TO's i shy away from due to having abandoned tournaments or because they are very slow. on the flip side there are also a few that run great tournaments and i join for that reason.
i just think having some sort of TO information database would be more useful than a rating system. at least it would to me.
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby patrickaa317 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:08 pm

ubcman64 wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:I agree but I don't think it'd deter my interest in joining the tourney. If you set up a pretty fun looking one and I'm down for some add'l games, I'm not going to avoid it just because you aren't the best TO.

I still like the idea though.


most people on this site probably don't care. but there are some that do. personally i join most tournaments based on the type or whether it's a TPA event. there may be a couple of TO's i shy away from due to having abandoned tournaments or because they are very slow. on the flip side there are also a few that run great tournaments and i join for that reason.
i just think having some sort of TO information database would be more useful than a rating system. at least it would to me.


Understandable. And I'd personally like to get it as a sort of review of the tourneys I host (though I have taken a break from starting new ones for a while now).
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Tue Nov 01, 2011 11:23 pm

ubcman64 wrote:
patrickaa317 wrote:I agree but I don't think it'd deter my interest in joining the tourney. If you set up a pretty fun looking one and I'm down for some add'l games, I'm not going to avoid it just because you aren't the best TO.

I still like the idea though.


most people on this site probably don't care. but there are some that do. personally i join most tournaments based on the type or whether it's a TPA event. there may be a couple of TO's i shy away from due to having abandoned tournaments or because they are very slow. on the flip side there are also a few that run great tournaments and i join for that reason.
i just think having some sort of TO information database would be more useful than a rating system. at least it would to me.


what i understand you are talking about, is already here. it's the TO hall of fame.

most people probably never look at it. and there is not really info about the tourney other than; ongoing, complete, or abandandoned. that's kind of why i think it's good to have some sort of rating, or keywords. or something that you can see. the main thing is it to be able to be referenced easy. i'll probably never look through a TO's tourney's to see how they were run. or go to a seperate set of pages to check out the tourney organizer while i'm considering going to join a tourney. but if there was a link near the send pm to player in the forum profile section.

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it could just be a quick link to TO info. however the format would be, whether rating, or feedback, or just some keyword notes.

the main reason i brought this up, is to potentioally avoid joining a tournament that you dread you joined due to poor management. takes too long to finish, no updates, no standings page, etc....

plus it would probably give a sort of motivation for people to stay on top of their tourney. it may keep those one's that drift off into being abandoned slowly, by staying on top of them and keeping the original interest fresh.
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby chapcrap on Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:16 am

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:the main reason i brought this up, is to potentioally avoid joining a tournament that you dread you joined due to poor management. takes too long to finish, no updates, no standings page, etc....

plus it would probably give a sort of motivation for people to stay on top of their tourney. it may keep those one's that drift off into being abandoned slowly, by staying on top of them and keeping the original interest fresh.

This is the biggest advantage. An incentive (good rating) for being a good TO and a deterrent (bad rating) for being a bad TO.
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby Night Strike on Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:19 am

ubcman64 wrote:what i'd rather see than a rating system (since the current system is of almost no value imho) is more of an informational listing of TO's. a listing that would give all their stats such as tournaments started and finished. whether the have any abandoned tournaments. types of tournaments run, size of tournament, length of time to complete, and so on.
i think seeing this type of information would help a person determine if they want to participate in a particular TO's tournament, better than any rating system would do. think of it as CC's version of the Better Business Bureau, without the grading. my 2 cents. :D


The first half of those things are already in the Tournament Database and the second half are already suggestions for future updates of the database.
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Re: tournament organizer rating

Postby ubcman64 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 11:48 am

Night Strike wrote:
ubcman64 wrote:what i'd rather see than a rating system (since the current system is of almost no value imho) is more of an informational listing of TO's. a listing that would give all their stats such as tournaments started and finished. whether the have any abandoned tournaments. types of tournaments run, size of tournament, length of time to complete, and so on.
i think seeing this type of information would help a person determine if they want to participate in a particular TO's tournament, better than any rating system would do. think of it as CC's version of the Better Business Bureau, without the grading. my 2 cents. :D


The first half of those things are already in the Tournament Database and the second half are already suggestions for future updates of the database.


excellent!....then my work here is done :D
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Add Rating For Tournament

Postby GoranZ on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:26 pm

Add rating for tournaments organized by TO's

Concise description:
After finishing of a tournament every participant can rate how well was a tournament organized with 1 to 5 stars, same as we rate players.

Specifics/Details:
  • less then 2 stars: TO organized the tournament very poorly, so he will not get a medal for it and if he organize another consecutive tournament with less then 3 stars he should not organize tournaments in the next 3 months(time for learning how tournament should be organized)
  • from 2 to 3 stars: TO organized the tournament poorly, so he will not get a medal for it.
  • over 3 stars: TO organized the tournament properly, so he will get a medal for it.
  • players that leave rating for the tournament could also receive a medal(similar medal as rating player) Edit: Added after initial proposal

How this will benefit the site and/or other comments:
TO's that organize their tournaments properly will get well deserved medals and everyone can see if TO is good or bad Tournament Organizer so we can avoid bad TO's :-$
The proposal is about quality control, nothing else. Less work for Tournament Directors(the general public will influence the quality of the tournaments), higher quality tournaments and ultimately better game experience.
Question for those that do not support this suggestion: How do you know if some TO makes quality tournaments, you bring that conclusion based on what?
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Re: Add Rating For Tournament

Postby happyfeet on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:35 pm

awesome idea GoranZ
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Re: Add Rating For Tournaments

Postby agentcom on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:35 pm

Is there a big problem with users being consistently poor tourney organizers? If so, I fully support. Sounds like a great idea. If not, then it's just a question of whether this is worth it. I think the system needs tweaking though. Just like the 5-star system we have for ratings, your idea should probably be reduced to a Poor, Satisfactory, Excellent system or something similar. 5-star ratings systems don't really work well.
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Re: Add Rating For Tournaments

Postby GoranZ on Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:52 pm

agentcom wrote:Is there a big problem with users being consistently poor tourney organizers? If so, I fully support. Sounds like a great idea. If not, then it's just a question of whether this is worth it. I think the system needs tweaking though. Just like the 5-star system we have for ratings, your idea should probably be reduced to a Poor, Satisfactory, Excellent system or something similar. 5-star ratings systems don't really work well.

The idea is to classify the tournaments by quality of the TO(3 star, 5 star is irrelevant, I will leave that to the person who will implement the proposal)... later on Tournaments will get the rating of the TO organizing it(if there are more organizers more will be listed, but not the average) same as we see for players. Eventually quality TO's tournaments will fill in faster and the perspective of how good CC is will be shifted forward.
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Re: Add Rating For Tournament

Postby greenoaks on Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:53 pm

quality TO's already fill tournaments quickly, poor or new TO's struggle.

this suggestion will not add anything.
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Re: Add Rating For Tournament

Postby IcePack on Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:20 pm

It's interesting but details need to be filled out. People are lazy and won't rate tournaments.
If nobody rates, what happens? The default should still receive medals.
If only one person rates, and rates a 1 or 2 that still shouldn't be enough to lose a medal after putting in work for the tournament. It would need to be a majority of all players involved or something.
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Re: Add Rating For Tournament

Postby patrickaa317 on Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:11 am

Is this a FALLEN only thread?

I agree with both IcePack & greenoaks.

It is a great theory but I don't think it'll really add anything.
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Re: Add Rating For Tournament

Postby agentcom on Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:58 am

patrickaa317 wrote:Is this a FALLEN only thread?

I agree with both IcePack & greenoaks.

It is a great theory but I don't think it'll really add anything.


What are you doing here patrick?! Stay out of our thread! That's my main concern is that this doesn't have much value-added. I really like the idea, but only if it actually addresses a problem, and I'm not sure it does that.
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