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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby cookie0117 on Tue Dec 27, 2011 4:41 pm

Letting people keep the point that they cheated out of other is wrong. Cheating should not be rewarding and if your cheating to give yourself the kick of having more points, then the way to punish them is take the points.

Also would be nice to give them back to the people they were cheated from, happens in every other walk of life that stolen property is returned when you can trace the owner.
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby chapcrap on Tue Dec 27, 2011 8:18 pm

cookie0117 wrote:Cheating should not be rewarding and if your cheating to give yourself the kick of having more points, then the way to punish them is take the points.

Can't say it better.
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby IcePack on Sun Jan 01, 2012 8:05 pm

chapcrap wrote:
cookie0117 wrote:Cheating should not be rewarding and if your cheating to give yourself the kick of having more points, then the way to punish them is take the points.quote]
Can't say it better.


Well, you could have. But it would involve another "[" on your part at the end quote ;)
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby chapcrap on Sun Jan 01, 2012 9:56 pm

IcePack wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
cookie0117 wrote:Cheating should not be rewarding and if your cheating to give yourself the kick of having more points, then the way to punish them is take the points.quote]
Can't say it better.


Well, you could have. But it would involve another "[" on your part at the end quote ;)

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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby TheGeneral2112 on Sun Jan 01, 2012 11:25 pm

Master Bush wrote:how does this forum work? when does a suggestion become address?



Between 2-3 years, Bush.
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby cookie0117 on Sat Jan 07, 2012 5:33 pm

I do not see why it would take a certain number of people to read and post on a topic to do the right thing. Multis ruin the site and game for people, so CC should be proactive in stopping and punishing the behaviour. Not drag their feet and wait untill the calls are at page 5 before considering it.

Taking the points off of a multi and returning them to people they were taken from is only bad for the multis, not wanting to do it is sending the message that CC rewards being a multi by allowing you to keep your ill gotten gains, also it maintains the punishment of honest players who do not get their stolen points back.
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby nebsmith on Sat Jan 07, 2012 6:25 pm

I like the idea, but how much work would it be to go through all the games the multi played and return the lost points.
Also would any of the other players stats need reseting too.
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby b00060 on Sat Jan 07, 2012 9:23 pm

No mercy for cheaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby mc05025 on Sat Jan 07, 2012 10:54 pm

b00060 wrote:No mercy for cheaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!


yeaaaa, I agree. I think 2 years in prison is the best solution
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby cookie0117 on Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:40 am

nebsmith wrote:I like the idea, but how much work would it be to go through all the games the multi played and return the lost points.
Also would any of the other players stats need reseting too.


I am by no means a computer wizard, I can work this site, just. As all the games are archived, it cant be that difficult to serach them, then reverse the results. Sure it would take the writing of a computer jiggery pokery program but these people are wizards, all this happens
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby blakebowling on Sun Jan 08, 2012 8:46 am

cookie0117 wrote:
nebsmith wrote:I like the idea, but how much work would it be to go through all the games the multi played and return the lost points.
Also would any of the other players stats need reseting too.


I am by no means a computer wizard, I can work this site, just. As all the games are archived, it cant be that difficult to serach them, then reverse the results. Sure it would take the writing of a computer jiggery pokery program but these people are wizards, all this happens

Since point gain/loss is calculated based on current score. You would have to recalculate EVERY game where points have been issued after a multi gained/lost points.

I'll try to make it a bit more clear:

Let's say you have a four player game, where blue and yellow are multi's.
If yellow helps blue win, and they are later busted. Points would have to be calculated backwards up through that game, and then forwards for every game any of those four have played in, and then recursively with those games, and on and on until every game would need to be recalculated.

TL;DR - It's not possible with the current points system. You'd need to change the way score works fundamentally.
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby chapcrap on Mon Jan 09, 2012 2:43 pm

mc05025 wrote:
b00060 wrote:No mercy for cheaters!!!!!!!!!!!!!


yeaaaa, I agree. I think 2 years in prison is the best solution

I think this is only possible solution. :lol:

I don't really care that much about getting points back from losing to a multi, but I do think they should all just get point resets. I think it would deter multis a bit more and be more fair to the site in general.
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby lethlethe on Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:41 pm

cookie0117 wrote:I do not see why it would take a certain number of people to read and post on a topic to do the right thing. Multis ruin the site and game for people, so CC should be proactive in stopping and punishing the behaviour. Not drag their feet and wait untill the calls are at page 5 before considering it.

Taking the points off of a multi and returning them to people they were taken from is only bad for the multis, not wanting to do it is sending the message that CC rewards being a multi by allowing you to keep your ill gotten gains, also it maintains the punishment of honest players who do not get their stolen points back.


I agree, a good idea is a good idea. No matter how much people reacted. Or, they should revamp the suggestion system - which was suggested in the suggestion forum. :)
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby lethlethe on Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:45 pm

blakebowling wrote:
cookie0117 wrote:
nebsmith wrote:I like the idea, but how much work would it be to go through all the games the multi played and return the lost points.
Also would any of the other players stats need reseting too.


I am by no means a computer wizard, I can work this site, just. As all the games are archived, it cant be that difficult to serach them, then reverse the results. Sure it would take the writing of a computer jiggery pokery program but these people are wizards, all this happens

Since point gain/loss is calculated based on current score. You would have to recalculate EVERY game where points have been issued after a multi gained/lost points.

I'll try to make it a bit more clear:

Let's say you have a four player game, where blue and yellow are multi's.
If yellow helps blue win, and they are later busted. Points would have to be calculated backwards up through that game, and then forwards for every game any of those four have played in, and then recursively with those games, and on and on until every game would need to be recalculated.

TL;DR - It's not possible with the current points system. You'd need to change the way score works fundamentally.


Does it really have to be that complicated? Why not look back at the game they played together and evenly redistribute the points? Btw: most multi's do not play that much games as multi's (at least, I think they don't - anyone can verify that?) since their alias probably is a freemium-player. But still, I'm sure there must be an easier way to solve this?
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Re: Busted Multi punishment Change

Postby lethlethe on Fri Jan 13, 2012 2:48 pm

O, and before I forget: I support this suggestion. The current policy isn't harsh enough on cheaters (au contraire).
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