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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby Pedronicus on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:08 am

I've just been checking out opposition in the next round of a clan challenge i'm in.

One of the players is viperoverlord

Looking at his games, he plays a varied selection of maps and games, but he does seem to play a lot of private 1v1 games on lunar wars against cooks, cadets and other low ranked players.

Is it deemed farming if you play some of these games amongst other games?
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:27 am

Yeah. Seems he's cottoned-on to someone else's dodgy tactic of setting-up a lot of private 1v1 games and inviting unsuspecting/inexperienced players.

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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby IR1SH ACE on Thu Jan 26, 2012 12:35 pm

Pedronicus wrote:I've just been checking out opposition in the next round of a clan challenge i'm in.

One of the players is viperoverlord

Looking at his games, he plays a varied selection of maps and games, but he does seem to play a lot of private 1v1 games on lunar wars against cooks, cadets and other low ranked players.

Is it deemed farming if you play some of these games amongst other games?


seems like viper is looking at the GLG play book....and looks like he has been doing this for last couple of months....Viper Private 1v1's

and I think he feels like he will be ok to invite New Recruits as well...
Game 10081907
Game 10137191
Game 10146903
Game 10147072
Game 10063187...Kat the Great... NR when this game started
like some of the chat here
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at least he is honest about what he is doing
and it was nice of him to play Kat the Great twice while she was still a New Recruit.....Game 10137194

Game 10074891...Dave Chappelle...NR when this game started
Game 10245259...Con88...NR when this game started
Game 10245260...TacticalPanda...NR when this game started

Game 10366457...and I think its obvious he is inviting these players..
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Game 10501974....and he is even talking like GLG
show: Game Chat


25 private 1v1 games in the last 2 months and 10 of them against NR's that he has invited and he has about another 9/10 set-up ready to go....this is a worrying trend but something that is not a surprise
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby jgordon1111 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:01 pm

Ok what we have so far that seems acceptable to all is

1. send all new recruits an email that lets them know about The SoC mentors,and Farmers and Ranchers, with examples of what that is.

2. Game filter that put standard maps and settings at the top of the game finder.

3.filter the deadbeat ? with the first game a 1vs1 with another ?

4. Send a CC wide email alerting all players that intentional farming or ranching will result in a non appeal perma ban. and that the email was the warning

Anything I missed or that anyone thinks needs to be added before I revise again?
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby JCR on Thu Jan 26, 2012 9:30 pm

jgordon1111 wrote:Ok what we have so far that seems acceptable to all is

1. send all new recruits an email that lets them know about The SoC mentors,and Farmers and Ranchers, with examples of what that is.

2. Game filter that put standard maps and settings at the top of the game finder.

3.filter the deadbeat ? with the first game a 1vs1 with another ?

4. Send a CC wide email alerting all players that intentional farming or ranching will result in a non appeal perma ban. and that the email was the warning

Anything I missed or that anyone thinks needs to be added before I revise again?

I dont agree that all of these are "acceptable to all". No offense but thats reaching a bit brother. I think so far the majority in this forum can agree to number 1. Number 4 will never happen because there is no rule against "ranching". I agree it is bad sportsmanship but so is being a sore loser. I dont think that one has ore than minority support. In my experience if you approach someone with a list of suggestions and/or demands you will get none of them. If you approach with A suggestion you may have a chance. IMHO, lets try this in small steps and see what works. To be totally honest number four just sounds like you are looking to institute a rule to target a select few individuals. I am NOT saying you are. just that it comes across that way.

This is by no means an attempt to undermine what I think you are trying to accomplish. But just as an attempt at meeting in the middle lets pose this question.

@ Evil Semp, would you support the first item on this list if a fairly worded poll came out with a fair amount of positive answers?This would be preferably set up by someone with authority within the site to avoid another argument,
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby Evil Semp on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:13 pm

jcrymal wrote:
jgordon1111 wrote:Ok what we have so far that seems acceptable to all is

1. send all new recruits an email that lets them know about The SoC mentors,and Farmers and Ranchers, with examples of what that is.

2. Game filter that put standard maps and settings at the top of the game finder.

3.filter the deadbeat ? with the first game a 1vs1 with another ?

4. Send a CC wide email alerting all players that intentional farming or ranching will result in a non appeal perma ban. and that the email was the warning

Anything I missed or that anyone thinks needs to be added before I revise again?

I dont agree that all of these are "acceptable to all". No offense but thats reaching a bit brother. I think so far the majority in this forum can agree to number 1. Number 4 will never happen because there is no rule against "ranching". I agree it is bad sportsmanship but so is being a sore loser. I dont think that one has ore than minority support. In my experience if you approach someone with a list of suggestions and/or demands you will get none of them. If you approach with A suggestion you may have a chance. IMHO, lets try this in small steps and see what works. To be totally honest number four just sounds like you are looking to institute a rule to target a select few individuals. I am NOT saying you are. just that it comes across that way.

This is by no means an attempt to undermine what I think you are trying to accomplish. But just as an attempt at meeting in the middle lets pose this question.

@ Evil Semp, would you support the first item on this list if a fairly worded poll came out with a fair amount of positive answers?This would be preferably set up by someone with authority within the site to avoid another argument,


The only problem I have with number 1 is the mention of "ranching" because "ranching" is not against the rules.
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby chapcrap on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:18 pm

About Ranching in #1. I think that if they were told about farming, they could figure out that people would still do it after the person is no longer a NR as well. So, the ranching part doesn't really need to be there anyway.
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby jgordon1111 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:21 pm

Thanks jcrymal, just trying to get a consensus on everyones opinion on the few things that seem to be agreeable to the majority.

Number four is directed at a few players, The majority of players on CC follow the rules. For those that dont that is the consequence. Believe that if one or two got hammered for real it would greatly curb anyone else's desire to follow in their footsteps.

The Idea here is to protect ? and players who dont understand all the maps and get invited into games over their heads by unscrupulous players.

This would be an alternative form of protection for them. A harsher permanent punishment, would be the best protection of all.

This way we are not forcing the ? to do something they dont want to do. In case they dont want to join the SoC or any type of tutorial.

The easiest and best protection is to make it a heinous crime that is punished by a more horrific sentence.

The win on this is just a few changes, 1 rule change and 2 emails very simple and easier to do.

This has alot more pluses for the site, the ? might stay and become paying members and tell their friends, and the scoreboard might balance back out,
the mods would be chasing down less number of complaints etc.

Thanks ES and chap for your posts

Then if we switched to the above mentioned items, Ranching would have to be included in the farming rules. Because it is happening.
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby Woodruff on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:23 pm

Evil Semp wrote:The only problem I have with number 1 is the mention of "ranching" because "ranching" is not against the rules.


So? Just because certain activities are not explicitly against the rules does not mean that new players shouldn't be warned about those activities, particularly when those activities are designed to take advantage of them.
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby Evil Semp on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:42 pm

Woodruff wrote:
Evil Semp wrote:The only problem I have with number 1 is the mention of "ranching" because "ranching" is not against the rules.


So? Just because certain activities are not explicitly against the rules does not mean that new players shouldn't be warned about those activities, particularly when those activities are designed to take advantage of them.


Than we should also include the abuse in the forums that some members dish out. Tell them that if the way they play doesn't conform with your way of playing is frowned upon. Hey just want to let you know some people will miss turns to try to gain and advantage. Look out in FOW games some will give away your positions and troop counts.

People don't read the rules or the community guidelines so how big do you want this e-mail to be?
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby Evil Semp on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:47 pm

jgordon1111 wrote:Thanks jcrymal, just trying to get a consensus on everyones opinion on the few things that seem to be agreeable to the majority.

Number four is directed at a few players, The majority of players on CC follow the rules. For those that dont that is the consequence. Believe that if one or two got hammered for real it would greatly curb anyone else's desire to follow in their footsteps.

The Idea here is to protect ? and players who dont understand all the maps and get invited into games over their heads by unscrupulous players.


?'s are already protected by the current farming rules.

Evil Semp wrote:
jcrymal wrote:
jgordon1111 wrote:Ok what we have so far that seems acceptable to all is

1. send all new recruits an email that lets them know about The SoC mentors,and Farmers and Ranchers, with examples of what that is.

2. Game filter that put standard maps and settings at the top of the game finder.

3.filter the deadbeat ? with the first game a 1vs1 with another ?

4. Send a CC wide email alerting all players that intentional farming or ranching will result in a non appeal perma ban. and that the email was the warning

Anything I missed or that anyone thinks needs to be added before I revise again?

I dont agree that all of these are "acceptable to all". No offense but thats reaching a bit brother. I think so far the majority in this forum can agree to number 1. Number 4 will never happen because there is no rule against "ranching". I agree it is bad sportsmanship but so is being a sore loser. I dont think that one has ore than minority support. In my experience if you approach someone with a list of suggestions and/or demands you will get none of them. If you approach with A suggestion you may have a chance. IMHO, lets try this in small steps and see what works. To be totally honest number four just sounds like you are looking to institute a rule to target a select few individuals. I am NOT saying you are. just that it comes across that way.

This is by no means an attempt to undermine what I think you are trying to accomplish. But just as an attempt at meeting in the middle lets pose this question.

@ Evil Semp, would you support the first item on this list if a fairly worded poll came out with a fair amount of positive answers?This would be preferably set up by someone with authority within the site to avoid another argument,


The only problem I have with number 1 is the mention of "ranching" because "ranching" is not against the rules.


I didn't realize I missed this point. I also don't agree with the perma-ban for the first offense.
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby jgordon1111 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 10:55 pm

Come on ES, In this topic we are talking about Farming and Ranching. If other players have other Things let them say it in a different topic. And the emails wouldnt have to be that big Welcome to CC (the normal stuff) added in would be a blurb about farming and ranching that they are against the rules, where to find those rules, and a couple of examples of what they are. Along with SoC and where to find it.

Second email easier than the first CC wide PM about farming and ranching and the penalty for it.

third is adding Ranching in With the farming rule.

All in All minimal work to bring about one of the biggest changes for the better to the site.

Just saw your post about perma ban for first offense.

Actually it would be the best deterrent of all, If you knew you were gone with no appeal would you do it.
Why give a second chance to someone who knows it is against the rules and yet does it anyway.

Thats why I said the email or PM to everyone would be the warning
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby Evil Semp on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:04 pm

jgordon1111 wrote:Come on ES, In this topic we are talking about Farming and Ranching. If other players have other Things let them say it in a different topic. And the emails wouldnt have to be that big Welcome to CC (the normal stuff) added in would be a blurb about farming and ranching that they are against the rules, where to find those rules, and a couple of examples of what they are. Along with SoC and where to find it.

Second email easier than the first CC wide PM about farming and ranching and the penalty for it.

third is adding Ranching in With the farming rule.

All in All minimal work to bring about one of the biggest changes for the better to the site.

Just saw your post about perma ban for first offense.

Actually it would be the best deterrent of all, If you knew you were gone with no appeal would you do it.
Why give a second chance to someone who knows it is against the rules and yet does it anyway.

Thats why I said the email or PM to everyone would be the warning


My response was in response to woodruff because I feel if it isn't against the rules than there is no reason to include it in the e-mail.

As far as the perma ban I think there are worse things that deserve a perma ban that have to go through the warning process and farming should also.
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby jgordon1111 on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:08 pm

Do those other things that you think deserve perma bans more than farming or ranching ,affect the amount of players who choose to stay on CC and then tell their friends about it and become paying customers more than this does?
I want your opinions here ES, Because I believe you are not corrupted by your position or any alliances.
So what I asked above is not confrontational at all, just a question,wanting your opinion as you not as a MOD.
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Re: It's Easy to stop Farming and Ranching (Revised)

Postby Chariot of Fire on Thu Jan 26, 2012 11:12 pm

I'll add to this later, but just wanted to suggest the message to new members should be a PM and not an e-mail. This way it's always in their Inbox (at least until it gets to 50 messages and knocked off the bottom, by which time the player will be savvy enough anyway) and will be at hand to read. If it contained useful links to such things as Joining a Clan, C&A Reports, General Discussion, etc then at least it may be said that every new member had the opportunity to verse himself in the ways of the community.

Another reason not to use e-mail as the medium is because I'd imagine a great many people use a dummy account to set-up their CC account rather than reveal details of their regular, personal e-mail address.
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