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Postby jlo71 on Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:06 am

I think that in 6,7, and 8 man games coming in second should not hold the same penalty as being eliminated earlier. I propose that if you come in second in those games you dont lose any points
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Re: 2nd place

Postby IcePack on Fri Aug 31, 2012 9:10 am

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Re: 2nd place

Postby darth emperor on Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:09 am

jlo71 wrote:I think that in 6,7, and 8 man games coming in second should not hold the same penalty as being eliminated earlier. I propose that if you come in second in those games you dont lose any points

1- A loss is a loss. Doesn't matter when or where.

2- What about peopple who comes third?

3- This can get to abuse. Two people, ally together, till everyone else is eliminated. And then they fight for the first or second place, non of them will lose points. Now repeat this procedure X times. Get the profit.
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Re: 2nd place

Postby sirgermaine on Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:09 am

I certainly wouldn't propose this as a universal thing. Even as a setting that was choosable, it would have downsides. It could encourage hostage taking, or turn free-for-all games into lopsided team games.

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Four players remain in a game. They have ranks of 1900, 500, 2000, and 2500. The player with 2000 points has the lead, and is in a position to eliminate the 500 point player from the game. However, if the player who comes in second doesn't lose points, it would stand to reason that the winner doesn't get those points, since games here have always been point-neutral. It is to the advantage of the winning player to hold hostage the player with the low ranking, since he stands to gain only 4 points from that player, rather than letting any of the other players come in second, forfeiting between 15 and 20 points.

Also, if you thought the C&A forum had too many frivolous reports of secret diplomacy/multi claims now, this would absolutely deluge the forums with complaints, some of which might be more warranted and less punishable. If everyone has incentive to take out the weak players, it will be almost impossible to prove that someone was acting in a manner that was against the rules, even if they would be punishable under current rules.

Basically, any setting where the motivation to win goes down, and the motivation to kill smaller players goes up, you're going to see some strong resistance. Also, I really can't imagine a way to configure this that doesn't really increase cheating (and cheating accusations), while simultaneously making cheating harder to prove.
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Re: 2nd place

Postby BGtheBrain on Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:10 am

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Re: 2nd place

Postby sirgermaine on Fri Aug 31, 2012 10:18 am

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Re: 2nd place

Postby gv1974 on Sat Sep 01, 2012 9:47 am

darth emperor wrote:
jlo71 wrote:I think that in 6,7, and 8 man games coming in second should not hold the same penalty as being eliminated earlier. I propose that if you come in second in those games you dont lose any points

1- A loss is a loss. Doesn't matter when or where.

2- What about peopple who comes third?

3- This can get to abuse. Two people, ally together, till everyone else is eliminated. And then they fight for the first or second place, non of them will lose points. Now repeat this procedure X times. Get the profit.


I agree with you.
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Re: 2nd place

Postby greenoaks on Sat Sep 01, 2012 7:47 pm

i too am against this for the reasons spelt out above
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Re: 2nd place

Postby blakebowling on Tue Sep 04, 2012 3:34 pm

I highly doubt this would happen as it would change the strategy in games completely.
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Re: 2nd place

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:18 pm

darth emperor wrote:
jlo71 wrote:I think that in 6,7, and 8 man games coming in second should not hold the same penalty as being eliminated earlier. I propose that if you come in second in those games you dont lose any points

1- A loss is a loss. Doesn't matter when or where.

2- What about peopple who comes third?

3- This can get to abuse. Two people, ally together, till everyone else is eliminated. And then they fight for the first or second place, non of them will lose points. Now repeat this procedure X times. Get the profit.


This is the best reason why not.
In a perfect world without corruption would be one worth considering though. ;)
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Re: 2nd place

Postby TheForgivenOne on Sun Sep 09, 2012 5:02 pm

Sorry, but this won't be happening. Rejected
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