Suggestion: Discriminate Against Farmers

[maxatstuy]

Just a very brief look at ONLY the last month of ONE of the best farmers, It is clear that new recruits do not return :
Joined and missed every turn with Max,and never returned since
Game 3593880
Game 3595161
Game 3402168

Joined played 1 game with Max and never returned since
Game 3580802
Game 3531877
Game 3376319
Game 3381861
Game 3381657
Game 3414371
Game 3454751

It is too Obvious Max and others do abuse the system just to gain rank. I think finally Pepper, might be on to a good suggestion on how to make CC more into a fair playing field, and have MORE new recruits STAY on this awesome site.

We all know Max will come back with his BLAH-BLAH-BLAH Bull Crap why it is okay for him to legally cheat, but this is just my opinion. Maybe the Mods will ultimately figure out that this is a problem, and can be looked at closer. Thank You.

First of all, people who never even played one turn clearly had no intention of ever playing, or they would have given the game a chance which they did not. Meanwhile, the links of games where I played against people who never returned is hilarious. The first game, the person played for two round, clearly didnt like the game and left. The second game you posted was against a multi, the third game was against a deadbeat who played not even one round before leaving, and the fourth game was against someone who was apparently looking to play against their friend, and after playing, saw no purpose to coming back. Meanwhile, your fifth link is probably the same situation as the fourth, the sixth game was against someone who I believe may be a multi, and the last game you posted was against someone who was clearly appeased enough with my playing that he joined ANOTHER game where he decided to quit for the other persons playing.

You had hundreds of games to chose from and couldnt find one good example of a game where I drove my opponent away. That says a lot.

[maxatstuy]

Oh, and the reason why the noob left the site after playing Game 3454774 was because his opponent decided to use delay tactics...rofl

[porkenbeans]

Just a very brief look at ONLY the last month of ONE of the best farmers, It is clear that new recruits do not return :
Joined and missed every turn with Max,and never returned since
Game 3593880
Game 3595161
Game 3402168

Joined played 1 game with Max and never returned since
Game 3580802
Game 3531877
Game 3376319
Game 3381861
Game 3381657
Game 3414371
Game 3454751

It is too Obvious Max and others do abuse the system just to gain rank. I think finally Pepper, might be on to a good suggestion on how to make CC more into a fair playing field, and have MORE new recruits STAY on this awesome site.

We all know Max will come back with his BLAH-BLAH-BLAH Bull Crap why it is okay for him to legally cheat, but this is just my opinion. Maybe the Mods will ultimately figure out that this is a problem, and can be looked at closer. Thank You.

First of all, people who never even played one turn clearly had no intention of ever playing, or they would have given the game a chance which they did not. Meanwhile, the links of games where I played against people who never returned is hilarious. The first game, the person played for two round, clearly didnt like the game and left. The second game you posted was against a multi, the third game was against a deadbeat who played not even one round before leaving, and the fourth game was against someone who was apparently looking to play against their friend, and after playing, saw no purpose to coming back. Meanwhile, your fifth link is probably the same situation as the fourth, the sixth game was against someone who I believe may be a multi, and the last game you posted was against someone who was clearly appeased enough with my playing that he joined ANOTHER game where he decided to quit for the other persons playing.

You had hundreds of games to chose from and couldnt find one good example of a game where I drove my opponent away. That says a lot.

So your saying he is not a farmer, but a multi-cheater ? Farmer, cheater, whats the diff. Neither can play ''RISK''.

[maxatstuy]

Just a very brief look at ONLY the last month of ONE of the best farmers, It is clear that new recruits do not return :
Joined and missed every turn with Max,and never returned since
Game 3593880
Game 3595161
Game 3402168

Joined played 1 game with Max and never returned since
Game 3580802
Game 3531877
Game 3376319
Game 3381861
Game 3381657
Game 3414371
Game 3454751

It is too Obvious Max and others do abuse the system just to gain rank. I think finally Pepper, might be on to a good suggestion on how to make CC more into a fair playing field, and have MORE new recruits STAY on this awesome site.

We all know Max will come back with his BLAH-BLAH-BLAH Bull Crap why it is okay for him to legally cheat, but this is just my opinion. Maybe the Mods will ultimately figure out that this is a problem, and can be looked at closer. Thank You.

First of all, people who never even played one turn clearly had no intention of ever playing, or they would have given the game a chance which they did not. Meanwhile, the links of games where I played against people who never returned is hilarious. The first game, the person played for two round, clearly didnt like the game and left. The second game you posted was against a multi, the third game was against a deadbeat who played not even one round before leaving, and the fourth game was against someone who was apparently looking to play against their friend, and after playing, saw no purpose to coming back. Meanwhile, your fifth link is probably the same situation as the fourth, the sixth game was against someone who I believe may be a multi, and the last game you posted was against someone who was clearly appeased enough with my playing that he joined ANOTHER game where he decided to quit for the other persons playing.

You had hundreds of games to chose from and couldnt find one good example of a game where I drove my opponent away. That says a lot.

So your saying he is not a farmer, but a multi-cheater ? Farmer, cheater, whats the diff. Neither can play ''RISK''.

Then I am glad that this is not risk, but an internet game called Conquer Club. Anyone who would like to refute that, please, ask Hasbro to see what there opinion of the game is.

Oh, and I am not a cheater, I am a farmer, and a very good one at that.

[porkenbeans]

Just a very brief look at ONLY the last month of ONE of the best farmers, It is clear that new recruits do not return :
Joined and missed every turn with Max,and never returned since
Game 3593880
Game 3595161
Game 3402168

Joined played 1 game with Max and never returned since
Game 3580802
Game 3531877
Game 3376319
Game 3381861
Game 3381657
Game 3414371
Game 3454751

It is too Obvious Max and others do abuse the system just to gain rank. I think finally Pepper, might be on to a good suggestion on how to make CC more into a fair playing field, and have MORE new recruits STAY on this awesome site.

We all know Max will come back with his BLAH-BLAH-BLAH Bull Crap why it is okay for him to legally cheat, but this is just my opinion. Maybe the Mods will ultimately figure out that this is a problem, and can be looked at closer. Thank You.

First of all, people who never even played one turn clearly had no intention of ever playing, or they would have given the game a chance which they did not. Meanwhile, the links of games where I played against people who never returned is hilarious. The first game, the person played for two round, clearly didnt like the game and left. The second game you posted was against a multi, the third game was against a deadbeat who played not even one round before leaving, and the fourth game was against someone who was apparently looking to play against their friend, and after playing, saw no purpose to coming back. Meanwhile, your fifth link is probably the same situation as the fourth, the sixth game was against someone who I believe may be a multi, and the last game you posted was against someone who was clearly appeased enough with my playing that he joined ANOTHER game where he decided to quit for the other persons playing.

You had hundreds of games to chose from and couldnt find one good example of a game where I drove my opponent away. That says a lot.

So your saying he is not a farmer, but a multi-cheater ? Farmer, cheater, whats the diff. Neither can play ''RISK''.

Then I am glad that this is not risk, but an internet game called Conquer Club. Anyone who would like to refute that, please, ask Hasbro to see what there opinion of the game is.

Oh, and I am not a cheater, I am a farmer, and a very good one at that.

Yes you are. But chew on this, If a person googles risk, he finds CC. He is looking to play risk. When he joins, he falsely assumes that the site is for that purpose. And the leaderboard is an honest, and accurate determination of skill at playing risk. You farmers count on their ignorence, and make a living from it. Then you turn around and call us true risk players ''cry-babies'' when we speak up to say anything about it. Ill just finish by saying this, If you should ever get tired of playing un-challenging games with noobs, Just give me a pm.

[porkenbeans]

Just a very brief look at ONLY the last month of ONE of the best farmers, It is clear that new recruits do not return :
Joined and missed every turn with Max,and never returned since
Game 3593880
Game 3595161
Game 3402168

Joined played 1 game with Max and never returned since
Game 3580802
Game 3531877
Game 3376319
Game 3381861
Game 3381657
Game 3414371
Game 3454751

It is too Obvious Max and others do abuse the system just to gain rank. I think finally Pepper, might be on to a good suggestion on how to make CC more into a fair playing field, and have MORE new recruits STAY on this awesome site.

We all know Max will come back with his BLAH-BLAH-BLAH Bull Crap why it is okay for him to legally cheat, but this is just my opinion. Maybe the Mods will ultimately figure out that this is a problem, and can be looked at closer. Thank You.

First of all, people who never even played one turn clearly had no intention of ever playing, or they would have given the game a chance which they did not. Meanwhile, the links of games where I played against people who never returned is hilarious. The first game, the person played for two round, clearly didnt like the game and left. The second game you posted was against a multi, the third game was against a deadbeat who played not even one round before leaving, and the fourth game was against someone who was apparently looking to play against their friend, and after playing, saw no purpose to coming back. Meanwhile, your fifth link is probably the same situation as the fourth, the sixth game was against someone who I believe may be a multi, and the last game you posted was against someone who was clearly appeased enough with my playing that he joined ANOTHER game where he decided to quit for the other persons playing.

You had hundreds of games to chose from and couldnt find one good example of a game where I drove my opponent away. That says a lot.

So your saying he is not a farmer, but a multi-cheater ? Farmer, cheater, whats the diff. Neither can play ''RISK''.

Then I am glad that this is not risk, but an internet game called Conquer Club. Anyone who would like to refute that, please, ask Hasbro to see what there opinion of the game is.

Oh, and I am not a cheater, I am a farmer, and a very good one at that.

Yes you are. But chew on this, If a person googles risk, he finds CC. He is looking to play risk. When he joins, he falsely assumes that the site is for that purpose. And the leaderboard is an honest, and accurate determination of skill at playing risk. You farmers count on their ignorence, and make a living from it. Then you turn around and call us true risk players ''cry-babies'' when we speak up to say anything about it. Ill just finish by saying this, If you should ever get tired of playing un-challenging games with noobs, Just give me a pm.

I like to play ...RISK.

[maxatstuy]

I never call anyone cry babies. I do however say that people who incessantly speak out against farming in these threads are doing so because they are too lazy to learn how to beat me on the scoreboard using their "skill," and "talent;" somethings which I apparently dont have.

I know that karel and I had a little conversation yesterday. He wants to beat me on the scoreboard so he is joining games and trying to win as many points as possible. Perhaps if people like yourself were to follow by his example, there would be much more competition at the top, and farming would not be an effective method.

[porkenbeans]

I never call anyone cry babies. I do however say that people who incessantly speak out against farming in these threads are doing so because they are too lazy to learn how to beat me on the scoreboard using their "skill," and "talent;" somethings which I apparently dont have.

I know that karel and I had a little conversation yesterday. He wants to beat me on the scoreboard so he is joining games and trying to win as many points as possible. Perhaps if people like yourself were to follow by his example, there would be much more competition at the top, and farming would not be an effective method.

It is not because Im lazy. I like to play RISK. I do not like the game of ''Farming''. I once made a sugg. of a way that would make us both happy. you could have your farming game to play without any changes at all. (see)http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=69106&p=1684496#p1684496. And you could also have a place to test your real risk skill.

[porkenbeans]

I never call anyone cry babies. I do however say that people who incessantly speak out against farming in these threads are doing so because they are too lazy to learn how to beat me on the scoreboard using their "skill," and "talent;" somethings which I apparently dont have.

I know that karel and I had a little conversation yesterday. He wants to beat me on the scoreboard so he is joining games and trying to win as many points as possible. Perhaps if people like yourself were to follow by his example, there would be much more competition at the top, and farming would not be an effective method.

It is not because Im lazy. I like to play RISK. I do not like the game of ''Farming''. I once made a sugg. of a way that would make us both happy. you could have your farming game to play without any changes at all. (see viewtopic.php?f=4&t=69106&p=1684496#p1684496). And you could also have a place to test your real risk skill.

[maxatstuy]

I never call anyone cry babies. I do however say that people who incessantly speak out against farming in these threads are doing so because they are too lazy to learn how to beat me on the scoreboard using their "skill," and "talent;" somethings which I apparently dont have.

I know that karel and I had a little conversation yesterday. He wants to beat me on the scoreboard so he is joining games and trying to win as many points as possible. Perhaps if people like yourself were to follow by his example, there would be much more competition at the top, and farming would not be an effective method.

It is not because Im lazy. I like to play RISK. I do not like the game of ''Farming''. I once made a sugg. of a way that would make us both happy. you could have your farming game to play without any changes at all. (see). And you could also have a place to test your real risk skill.

the majority of the issues with ideas similar to that, has to do with gaining skill without the effects of points. If there were two different rooms that a person could play in, there is nothing from stopping a person from perfecting a game type and then using it with the same low score they had before they learned how to play properly

Just to clarify though, you were not the person in particular to whom I was referring, you were just the last person to post...lol

[porkenbeans]

I never call anyone cry babies. I do however say that people who incessantly speak out against farming in these threads are doing so because they are too lazy to learn how to beat me on the scoreboard using their "skill," and "talent;" somethings which I apparently dont have.

I know that karel and I had a little conversation yesterday. He wants to beat me on the scoreboard so he is joining games and trying to win as many points as possible. Perhaps if people like yourself were to follow by his example, there would be much more competition at the top, and farming would not be an effective method.

It is not because Im lazy. I like to play RISK. I do not like the game of ''Farming''. I once made a sugg. of a way that would make us both happy. you could have your farming game to play without any changes at all. (see). And you could also have a place to test your real risk skill.

the majority of the issues with ideas similar to that, has to do with gaining skill without the effects of points. If there were two different rooms that a person could play in, there is nothing from stopping a person from perfecting a game type and then using it with the same low score they had before they learned how to play properly

Just to clarify though, you were not the person in particular to whom I was referring, you were just the last person to post...lol

Did you read my link, ''Make two leaderboards'' ? What do you think about that ?

[maxatstuy]

the majority of the issues with ideas similar to that, has to do with gaining skill without the effects of points. If there were two different rooms that a person could play in, there is nothing from stopping a person from perfecting a game type and then using it with the same low score they had before they learned how to play properly

Just to clarify though, you were not the person in particular to whom I was referring, you were just the last person to post...lol

Did you read my link, ''Make two leaderboards'' ? What do you think about that ?

Two leader boards would be way too subjective. It is my belief that farming is not exclusive to playing against low ranks, and it is no ones place to define what farming actually is because there is no correct answer. Games become farming in my opinion when you begin to join for points and not for fun, so as long as I enjoy playing against noobs, there is no reason why that should be looked upon any differently than playing any other type of game. Only playing high ranks is just as much farming and what I do, as many people who join those brigadier games are only afraid of losing points in games with low ranks, even though they might have fun playing them. People can think whatever they want and discredit whomever they chose for whatever reasons they have. If you want to call my accomplishments less than that of anyone else, be my guest. A scoreboard wont have any effect though other than to exemplify the biases which the people making up the scoreboard will have, and anger those who are wrongfully removed from one scoreboard, or wrongfully placed on another.

[maxatstuy]

Oh, I apologize, I made an assumption about your thread before reading it over.

While I do believe that my last post is accurate, (which is why I will leave it,) your thread was referring to separating the scoreboard based on sequential and freestyle. There is no way of defining who should be considered a freestyle player and who should be considered a sequential players so that wouldnt work, but even if it was possible, I think that would detract from the enjoyment of rising the positions on the scoreboard. Whether people play fs or sequential, that is there choice and it really shouldnt have a factor on the way they are ranked as it is all for the same objective, to win and to gain points.

[PepperJack]

Ahem, if the admins of this site layed out their definition of farming, it would be just. They would only be defining farming here, not universally so it would have to be accepted. As I have previously stated, the admins have not done this and banned the practice for reasons beyond my knowledge.

Also, I could be wildly incorrect, but the term farming originates from mindlessly killing lesser opponents (example; some lvl 1 boar in WoW or something). While you may want to bastardize the definition of "farming" to accomodate your whims, Max, playing high ranks in no way qualifies as farming. There is a reason why the word closely associated with farming is "noob" not some form of "pwninator."

[porkenbeans]

the majority of the issues with ideas similar to that, has to do with gaining skill without the effects of points. If there were two different rooms that a person could play in, there is nothing from stopping a person from perfecting a game type and then using it with the same low score they had before they learned how to play properly

Just to clarify though, you were not the person in particular to whom I was referring, you were just the last person to post...lol

Did you read my link, ''Make two leaderboards'' ? What do you think about that ?

Two leader boards would be way too subjective. It is my belief that farming is not exclusive to playing against low ranks, and it is no ones place to define what farming actually is because there is no correct answer. Games become farming in my opinion when you begin to join for points and not for fun, so as long as I enjoy playing against noobs, there is no reason why that should be looked upon any differently than playing any other type of game. Only playing high ranks is just as much farming and what I do, as many people who join those brigadier games are only afraid of losing points in games with low ranks, even though they might have fun playing them. People can think whatever they want and discredit whomever they chose for whatever reasons they have. If you want to call my accomplishments less than that of anyone else, be my guest. A scoreboard wont have any effect though other than to exemplify the biases which the people making up the scoreboard will have, and anger those who are wrongfully removed from one scoreboard, or wrongfully placed on another.

I dont think that you read me properly. Nothing would change on the origonal board. O.K. ? A sep. leaderboaerd could be set up with the rules I described. This boards rules would be as tight as midgets rubber. Only players of the same rank can play each other. Every possible way to cheat or farm is elimited. There is even auto matching of opponents. And any other rule that made it impossible to cheat or farm would be added. Everything is seperate on the 2 boards, from your rank to your points. It would be totally up to you if you wish to play or not on the new board.