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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby RL_Orange on Mon Mar 08, 2010 2:57 pm

I am in favor of it, implement it pls
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby jackal31 on Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:31 am

jackal31 wrote:this is the first i've had a chance to look at it and i think it would be great but only if it were restricted to 1v1. Team games are just that....TEAM GAMES.....you have to rely on your team to do well and learn to communicate with them.
On the other hand, if you were trying to learn strategy on a new map and didnt want to lose points in the process, then a game against yourself would be beneficial.

so my vote is YES for 1v1 ......
and NO for everything else.....

after reading through a little more...it is my understanding that 2 player games with fractions of play would be a great idea. However, having a fractional team versus a 4 player team would not be something I vote for.

In my quote, I was talking about playing a 1v1, 2 fraction game, against ones-self. Just playing by ones-self and trying to learn new strategies.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby iamkoolerthanu on Tue Mar 09, 2010 9:45 pm

mattattam wrote:that wont be an option though if you create a game with 4 different players and then one person joins the other team and invites him/herself for the whole team.....then team 1 just got screwed (essentially)


FarangDemon wrote:1) A team game will be either like original doubs, trips, quads (all unique players)
2) A team game will be 1v1 doubs, trips, quads (1 player controls all players)


It would be a separate option, not a combined one.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby josko.ri on Sat Apr 24, 2010 3:43 pm

I also voted for "yes", why dont add extra option to the site which eliminates big factor of luck in 1 vs 1 games? I agree with jackal, to make it ONLY for 1 vs 1 playing, not in any other circumstances.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby steve066 on Sun Apr 25, 2010 1:33 am

coming upon this late it is hard to add anything new
but i believe in some/ many cases (touched on by prismsaber earlier)
you have high ranks enlisting low ranked player to join in teams
with it understood that low ranked player would (naturally) follow
suggestions of top guy. in effect you have a 1 man quad team.in fact with most teams don't players largely defer
to the highest rank on team. i think its incumbent on those who fear this option will ruin teams to
be cognizant of the fact that it already exists in practice.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Chuuuuck on Tue Apr 27, 2010 12:26 pm

I think the whole idea is great. I think players should even be allowed to take on a team. 1 vs 4.

If they do this then they lose points for every slot they take up or they gain points for every slot they take up. I personally would play it some that way but I wouldn't mind being on the other side of things because I would think 4 of us could come up with more ideas than that 1 person.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby iamkoolerthanu on Tue Apr 27, 2010 2:28 pm

Chuuuuck wrote:I think the whole idea is great. I think players should even be allowed to take on a team. 1 vs 4.

If they do this then they lose points for every slot they take up or they gain points for every slot they take up. I personally would play it some that way but I wouldn't mind being on the other side of things because I would think 4 of us could come up with more ideas than that 1 person.

But that one person would have a large advantage, since they would move four times each round...
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby steve066 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 9:40 pm

but so would the quad group
where does the advantage arise?

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby wolfpack0530 on Tue Apr 27, 2010 11:04 pm

farmers paradise. This sounds like a suggestion from a general who just cant quite make it to field marshal or conqueror and is looking for a way to sneak their way in 6-10 points at a time.

PATHETIC!!! And to the colonel before me who i am too lazy to make 2 clicks to check his name (steve066 i actually did check lol). If you think that 1 person taking all 4 turns in a quads game is the same as 4 different people taking their turns is the same, then you are just playing devil's advocate. Because comparing the 2 is assinine, stupid, noobish, ridiculous, and the thought of a asshat.

Close this thread!!!
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Wed Apr 28, 2010 10:54 am

wolfpack0530 wrote:farmers paradise. This sounds like a suggestion from a general who just cant quite make it to field marshal or conqueror and is looking for a way to sneak their way in 6-10 points at a time.

Actually it is a suggestion from someone, who never engaged in any farming whatsoever in his time @ CC, doesn´t give a rats ass about reaching high scores or rank, and who simply thinks, this game option would offer great fun & challenging games. Maybe talk with your buddy Fenrir, before you run your mouth, taking cheap shots at people you know f'ck all about and making an ass of yourself in public.

As for farming: It exists. It always has existed. And this game option could probably be exploited too. I don´t hear anyone calling for the removal of Freestyle games though, and that is, where actual farming is taking place today. Do you remove/reject a game option, that many players enjoy for the fun of it, only because some asses (might) exploit it ?

As was pointed out some pages ago already: In this 1v1 scenario the evil farmer General would at least always put his own points on the line. Compare that to the evil farmer General of today, who assembles a team of low-ranks who make every move according to his directions.

You guys are really getting your panties in a bunch, whilst completely missing the point.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Blitzaholic on Wed Apr 28, 2010 12:16 pm

I think it is a good suggestion ahunda, almost 80% agree.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby iamkoolerthanu on Wed May 05, 2010 11:30 pm

I completely agree with ahunda, as well as this idea in general.

This is a good idea, and it could be very fun to play with! But if you are saying that its a bad idea, simply because people can take advantage of the system...

Why allow people to create games? They will only make the games they are good at, and there is that possibility that they will invite new players to that game.

While we are at it, lets take away the invite function. It has the possibility that players can abuse it for farming purposes.
In fact, why even allow people to make CC accounts at all? Surely people will abuse this system and make multis, wont they?

Obviously, I am saying those things just to make a point, which is that almost everything can(and is) abused in some way shape or form. But you have to wonder, does the positives outweigh those abuses?

In this situation, the answer is yes. All this would do would be to add another option that people can click, and farm with. Since people already farm without this option, there is little harm, yet since many people would love to play with this option, the positives are great.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Hopscotcher on Wed May 05, 2010 11:49 pm

iamkoolerthanu wrote:In this situation, the answer is yes. All this would do would be to add another option that people can click, and farm with. Since people already farm without this option, there is little harm, yet since many people would love to play with this option, the positives are great.


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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby edwinissweet on Thu May 06, 2010 1:13 am

Im going to have to ask you guys to please stay on track, and to not insult eachother. This seems like a good idea that alot of people are interested in, so dont get baited into an argument.

To the OP, if you could please keep the discusion's progress in the first post i would really appriciate it. Like from the last few posts i see that people are even talking about a single individual taking on a quads team. If you could throw that in the first post, along with any other changes and or variations, it would allow new commers to know whats going on without having to go through all the pages. In order for this to have a shot at being looked at further, the community needs to agree on it.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Thu May 06, 2010 11:24 am

edwinissweet wrote:To the OP, if you could please keep the discusion's progress in the first post i would really appriciate it.

I can add a "Discussion" category to the 1st post. Will do that at the weekend, since I´ll need to go through this thread once more myself first.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Luvr on Fri May 07, 2010 10:17 pm

I like this idea for 1v1 games. I like the current way doubles/triples/quads are and I would still play real team games as well as 1v1 team games.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Fri May 14, 2010 1:14 pm

Ok. Edited the 1st post & tried to summarise the major points of discussion in the thread.

I won´t pretend to be impartial, but I tried my best to include the concerns & objections against the suggestion.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Dako on Fri May 14, 2010 1:49 pm

Will post here again, very short.

1vTeam is silly and should be not allowed.
1v1 team games will never be able to replace normal team games. At least all the leagues, clan wars and tournaments will use normal team games only. 1v1 team games are an enhancement of 1v1 games only (it means clans and leagues can use 1v1 team instead of casual 1v1).
1v1 team farming is the same as 1v1 farming. No real difference = no new, even slightly potential hole here.

So yeah, 1v1 team sounds awesome :-D. As awesome as team terminator and team assassin :-P.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby pmchugh on Fri May 14, 2010 7:43 pm

Dako wrote:Will post here again, very short.

1vTeam is silly and should be not allowed.
1v1 team games will never be able to replace normal team games. At least all the leagues, clan wars and tournaments will use normal team games only. 1v1 team games are an enhancement of 1v1 games only (it means clans and leagues can use 1v1 team instead of casual 1v1).
1v1 team farming is the same as 1v1 farming. No real difference = no new, even slightly potential hole here.

So yeah, 1v1 team sounds awesome :-D. As awesome as team terminator and team assassin :-P.


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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Sat May 15, 2010 10:09 am

edwinissweet wrote:I guess the only thing left to decide is whether 1 person should be allowed to go against a team. If you can run a poll and "advertise" it to your friends so we can get quite a bit of votes, then i can hopefully put this on last call by the begining of next week.


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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Pedronicus on Sat May 15, 2010 10:52 am

khazalid wrote:sorry henner.

big NO from me. this will kill regular team games dead.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby White Moose on Sat May 15, 2010 10:53 am

I say no to this.

Team games are supposed to be several players working together for victory.

Simple as that.

But... it would be rather intresting to play. But it takes away what team-games are and will probably give regular team-games a real kick in the nuts.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Gold Knight on Sat May 15, 2010 10:56 am

I really dont agree with the concept at all, but 1 vs team is absolutely absurd. That means that if the single player were to win he would gain points from all four players, and how would it work if he were to lose? How would the other team be awarded points? They would either have to take the normal amount and leaving the single losing player out about 100 points, or Lack would have to change the scoring system around...
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Prankcall on Sat May 15, 2010 10:58 am

No thanks,I would not like to change this.I like the fact Team games is what it is,requires multiple players working as one.How could you even think 1 player playing against a team would be fun or better.Yes in some cases High ranks join team games with low ranks to gain/lose the most points(abusing the point system) and effectively control all the moves but so what,this is not in anyway the same as 1 player playing 4 accounts.IMO it would be much more effective than 4 or 3 or 2 players trying to work as one.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby stahrgazer on Sat May 15, 2010 11:00 am

One person as a team is different than 2, 3, or 4 different people as a team. Part of team play is the need to coordinate despite people's different strategies, time commitments, distractions.

Requires answer to a question: would the 1-man-team games be included, or excluded from Team Medals?

Edit: my opinion... if these games are excluded from medals awards, I'd support the option for those who want to play but don't want to have to coordinate or risk a teammate missing crucial turns. If they're included in team medals, it's just a bogus way for one person to grab medals that should be intended to show an ability to coordinate and take the risks.
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Trench Warfare Achievement (1) Speed Achievement (2) Teammate Achievement (2) Random Map Achievement (1) Cross-Map Achievement (3)
Bot Achievement (3) Ratings Achievement (3) Tournament Achievement (1) General Achievement (4) Clan Achievement (7)
Tournament Contribution (1) General Contribution (7)

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