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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Luvr on Fri May 07, 2010 10:17 pm

I like this idea for 1v1 games. I like the current way doubles/triples/quads are and I would still play real team games as well as 1v1 team games.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Fri May 14, 2010 1:14 pm

Ok. Edited the 1st post & tried to summarise the major points of discussion in the thread.

I won´t pretend to be impartial, but I tried my best to include the concerns & objections against the suggestion.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Dako on Fri May 14, 2010 1:49 pm

Will post here again, very short.

1vTeam is silly and should be not allowed.
1v1 team games will never be able to replace normal team games. At least all the leagues, clan wars and tournaments will use normal team games only. 1v1 team games are an enhancement of 1v1 games only (it means clans and leagues can use 1v1 team instead of casual 1v1).
1v1 team farming is the same as 1v1 farming. No real difference = no new, even slightly potential hole here.

So yeah, 1v1 team sounds awesome :-D. As awesome as team terminator and team assassin :-P.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby pmchugh on Fri May 14, 2010 7:43 pm

Dako wrote:Will post here again, very short.

1vTeam is silly and should be not allowed.
1v1 team games will never be able to replace normal team games. At least all the leagues, clan wars and tournaments will use normal team games only. 1v1 team games are an enhancement of 1v1 games only (it means clans and leagues can use 1v1 team instead of casual 1v1).
1v1 team farming is the same as 1v1 farming. No real difference = no new, even slightly potential hole here.

So yeah, 1v1 team sounds awesome :-D. As awesome as team terminator and team assassin :-P.


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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Sat May 15, 2010 10:09 am

edwinissweet wrote:I guess the only thing left to decide is whether 1 person should be allowed to go against a team. If you can run a poll and "advertise" it to your friends so we can get quite a bit of votes, then i can hopefully put this on last call by the begining of next week.


Following this suggestion of a Suggestion Mod, I have now put up a new poll. For safe-keeping, here are the results of the old poll (included in 1st post as well):

137 votes in total
108 (79%) in favour
29 (21%) against

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Pedronicus on Sat May 15, 2010 10:52 am

khazalid wrote:sorry henner.

big NO from me. this will kill regular team games dead.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby White Moose on Sat May 15, 2010 10:53 am

I say no to this.

Team games are supposed to be several players working together for victory.

Simple as that.

But... it would be rather intresting to play. But it takes away what team-games are and will probably give regular team-games a real kick in the nuts.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Gold Knight on Sat May 15, 2010 10:56 am

I really dont agree with the concept at all, but 1 vs team is absolutely absurd. That means that if the single player were to win he would gain points from all four players, and how would it work if he were to lose? How would the other team be awarded points? They would either have to take the normal amount and leaving the single losing player out about 100 points, or Lack would have to change the scoring system around...
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Prankcall on Sat May 15, 2010 10:58 am

No thanks,I would not like to change this.I like the fact Team games is what it is,requires multiple players working as one.How could you even think 1 player playing against a team would be fun or better.Yes in some cases High ranks join team games with low ranks to gain/lose the most points(abusing the point system) and effectively control all the moves but so what,this is not in anyway the same as 1 player playing 4 accounts.IMO it would be much more effective than 4 or 3 or 2 players trying to work as one.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby stahrgazer on Sat May 15, 2010 11:00 am

One person as a team is different than 2, 3, or 4 different people as a team. Part of team play is the need to coordinate despite people's different strategies, time commitments, distractions.

Requires answer to a question: would the 1-man-team games be included, or excluded from Team Medals?

Edit: my opinion... if these games are excluded from medals awards, I'd support the option for those who want to play but don't want to have to coordinate or risk a teammate missing crucial turns. If they're included in team medals, it's just a bogus way for one person to grab medals that should be intended to show an ability to coordinate and take the risks.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby lgoasklucyl on Sat May 15, 2010 11:32 am

I'm in favor of it being allowed as long as there exists the option for 1v1 or 1vteam at the creation page.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Sat May 15, 2010 11:57 am

Reading through the last few posts, I think, it would be helpful, if people were more clear, if they are talking about the actual 1v1 team game idea or about the new 1vteam poll.

Most arguments about the 1v1 team game option itself have been repeated over & over in this thread already and can be found in the Summary in the 1st thread. But in answer to the last few posts:

The original suggestion was for 1v1 team games only. And not so much as an alternative to regular team games, but rather as an alternative to the current 1v1 games, that are extremely luck based.

I have to admit, that I find the fears about a possible negative impact on regular team games somewhat strange. Aren´t you guys somehow contradicting yourselves ? On the one hand you say: If this was implemented, nobody would play team games anymore. On the other you then say: We love team games so much, that we have to reject this suggestion.

I mean, seriously: If you love team games so much, why would you stop playing them, if there was a new game option introduced ? And/or why would you assume, that everybody else will do so ?

For the record: I personally never thought about 1vteam games, when making the suggestion. I am not interested in that option & find it rather meaningless. I would not play it myself.

If 1vteam would be allowed however, I think, that there would need to be different options on game creation: Pure 1v1 team, pure team v team or "anything goes". So that people, who want to play regular team games, can choose that option & exclude a single player joining all spots on the other team against them.

As for some more specific questions in the last posts:

Point calculation in 1vteam: As was discussed in this thread, the single player would indeed put twice his points on the line in a Dubs, thrice in a Trips, etc. This was seen as a balance to his advantage of not needing to communicate & co-ordinate his strategy. (As I said: I´m not particularly interested in / fond of this option.)

Medals: The suggestion was made, that 1v1 team games should not count for regular team medals. I am not sure, if they could fit into any other medal category (I doubt it), or if there maybe could be a new 1v1 medal.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Genoke on Sat May 15, 2010 1:33 pm

i agree with chepren and ahunda...

1vs1 is more based on luck of drop and dices in first 2 rounds. with this option in 1vsteam you take away the luck factor, wish i like!.

also in a team games we still need to have 2,3 or 4 unique players in each team.

nothing more to say.. 8-)

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby yeti_c on Sat May 15, 2010 1:49 pm

Really don't get people voting against this - if you don't like it - don't play it.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Gold Knight on Sat May 15, 2010 2:06 pm

yeti_c wrote:Really don't get people voting against this - if you don't like it - don't play it.

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I think its more to the point that if Lack were to implement something on this site at all, he would want at least a majority to use it. We could implement every suggestion put in here, and the majority of the people on this site dont use half of the options there are. Especially with a game option like this, its one of the main parts of the game selection and should be a thing that pertains to the enjoyment of the majority of the site.

I agree, if this is implemented, i just wont play it as you stated. But what the point of this suggestions forum is for is to see how many people will and wont play it.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby edwinissweet on Sat May 15, 2010 2:52 pm

do keep in mind that most people in CC are not active in the forums.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby yeti_c on Sat May 15, 2010 3:34 pm

Ah - I didn't actually read the poll topic - I assumed it was a "yes/no" question.

I've read the poll question now - and voted No now.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby iamkoolerthanu on Sat May 15, 2010 3:39 pm

yeti_c wrote:Ah - I didn't actually read the poll topic - I assumed it was a "yes/no" question.

I've read the poll question now - and voted No now.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby grayknight_2 on Sat May 15, 2010 4:24 pm

GOT TO BE NO FOR ME I THINK TEAM GAMES SHOULD BE JUST THAT ALL DIFFERENT IDEAS FROM DIFFERENT VIEWS OF TEAM MATES
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Nephilim on Sat May 15, 2010 6:32 pm

what the hell is wrong with all you people voting "no"?

all the high-falutin' talk about "team games require teamwork and all these other noble values, and this would ruin it".....well, if team games are so great (and i love them), then people will still play them even with a new option, won't they?

the point of this project is to make real challenges between 2 players an effing possibility after ALL THIS TIME. isn't it completely insane that 2 CC members can't test their skills against each other in a game? this is the best solution.....STOP TRYING TO RUIN IT FOR US, all you haters

whatever little wrinkles there are (scoring questions, etc.), they can be worked out....let's make the changes NOW
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Incandenza on Sat May 15, 2010 6:48 pm

Nephilim wrote:what the hell is wrong with all you people voting "no"?

all the high-falutin' talk about "team games require teamwork and all these other noble values, and this would ruin it".....well, if team games are so great (and i love them), then people will still play them even with a new option, won't they?

the point of this project is to make real challenges between 2 players an effing possibility after ALL THIS TIME. isn't it completely insane that 2 CC members can't test their skills against each other in a game? this is the best solution.....STOP TRYING TO RUIN IT FOR US, all you haters

whatever little wrinkles there are (scoring questions, etc.), they can be worked out....let's make the changes NOW


Hell yes.

While 1vTeam has issues and should probably be set aside, team 1v1 would be an amazing new gameplay concept, the likes of which CC hasn't seen in a long, long time. I love teams games as much as the next guy, pretty much all I play these days, and I disagree that team 1v1 would kill team games. After all, 1v1 didn't kill team games. You know why? 'Cause 1v1 is really flawed. With team 1v1, CC will finally have a halfway decent system for two player to go head to head without drop and turn order becoming the major element.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby peanutsdad on Sat May 15, 2010 7:14 pm

i voted, looks like a close race
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby pmchugh on Sat May 15, 2010 7:24 pm

Incandenza wrote:
Nephilim wrote:what the hell is wrong with all you people voting "no"?

all the high-falutin' talk about "team games require teamwork and all these other noble values, and this would ruin it".....well, if team games are so great (and i love them), then people will still play them even with a new option, won't they?

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whatever little wrinkles there are (scoring questions, etc.), they can be worked out....let's make the changes NOW


Hell yes.

While 1vTeam has issues and should probably be set aside, team 1v1 would be an amazing new gameplay concept, the likes of which CC hasn't seen in a long, long time. I love teams games as much as the next guy, pretty much all I play these days, and I disagree that team 1v1 would kill team games. After all, 1v1 didn't kill team games. You know why? 'Cause 1v1 is really flawed. With team 1v1, CC will finally have a halfway decent system for two player to go head to head without drop and turn order becoming the major element.


You guys understand that the poll is only if 1vteam should be included?

1v1 team is definately being submitted i think.

I voted no in this, I think 1v1 team would be great but 1vteam I don't see much point in. It would be much easier for the 1 without the need for communication I see no reason why a team of 4 would ever want to play 1 guy :?
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby hiddendragon on Sat May 15, 2010 7:27 pm

There would be to many ways to farm with this proposal. Even though it sucks when a partner makes a bad deployment or skips a turn or is simply a complete idiot it is part of the game, deal with it.
Team chat and cooperation or a team that has a good feel for one another is what this proposal seems to be about. My advise is that if someone doesn't like a partner(s) then that player should find new mates.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Sat May 15, 2010 7:32 pm

hiddendragon wrote:There would be to many ways to farm with this proposal. Even though it sucks when a partner makes a bad deployment or skips a turn or is simply a complete idiot it is part of the game, deal with it.
Team chat and cooperation or a team that has a good feel for one another is what this proposal seems to be about. My advise is that if someone doesn't like a partner(s) then that player should find new mates.

No. This suggestion is made & supported by some of the most successful team players at the site, with great win% in team games. Players, who are members in top clans. Players, who have no problem whatsoever to find good & reliable team mates.

This suggestion is not at all about fixing any problem with team games. It is about an alternative to the current 1v1 games.

Please at least read a bit, before you post the same things, that have been brought up & discussed a gazillion times already.

Same goes for the farming issue: If this is indeed your opinion, please explain, why. Why is there a huge farming potential in this game option ? Why would it be greater than in other game options, that exist ?
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