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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby stahrgazer on Sat May 15, 2010 11:00 am

One person as a team is different than 2, 3, or 4 different people as a team. Part of team play is the need to coordinate despite people's different strategies, time commitments, distractions.

Requires answer to a question: would the 1-man-team games be included, or excluded from Team Medals?

Edit: my opinion... if these games are excluded from medals awards, I'd support the option for those who want to play but don't want to have to coordinate or risk a teammate missing crucial turns. If they're included in team medals, it's just a bogus way for one person to grab medals that should be intended to show an ability to coordinate and take the risks.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby lgoasklucyl on Sat May 15, 2010 11:32 am

I'm in favor of it being allowed as long as there exists the option for 1v1 or 1vteam at the creation page.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Sat May 15, 2010 11:57 am

Reading through the last few posts, I think, it would be helpful, if people were more clear, if they are talking about the actual 1v1 team game idea or about the new 1vteam poll.

Most arguments about the 1v1 team game option itself have been repeated over & over in this thread already and can be found in the Summary in the 1st thread. But in answer to the last few posts:

The original suggestion was for 1v1 team games only. And not so much as an alternative to regular team games, but rather as an alternative to the current 1v1 games, that are extremely luck based.

I have to admit, that I find the fears about a possible negative impact on regular team games somewhat strange. Aren´t you guys somehow contradicting yourselves ? On the one hand you say: If this was implemented, nobody would play team games anymore. On the other you then say: We love team games so much, that we have to reject this suggestion.

I mean, seriously: If you love team games so much, why would you stop playing them, if there was a new game option introduced ? And/or why would you assume, that everybody else will do so ?

For the record: I personally never thought about 1vteam games, when making the suggestion. I am not interested in that option & find it rather meaningless. I would not play it myself.

If 1vteam would be allowed however, I think, that there would need to be different options on game creation: Pure 1v1 team, pure team v team or "anything goes". So that people, who want to play regular team games, can choose that option & exclude a single player joining all spots on the other team against them.

As for some more specific questions in the last posts:

Point calculation in 1vteam: As was discussed in this thread, the single player would indeed put twice his points on the line in a Dubs, thrice in a Trips, etc. This was seen as a balance to his advantage of not needing to communicate & co-ordinate his strategy. (As I said: I´m not particularly interested in / fond of this option.)

Medals: The suggestion was made, that 1v1 team games should not count for regular team medals. I am not sure, if they could fit into any other medal category (I doubt it), or if there maybe could be a new 1v1 medal.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Genoke on Sat May 15, 2010 1:33 pm

i agree with chepren and ahunda...

1vs1 is more based on luck of drop and dices in first 2 rounds. with this option in 1vsteam you take away the luck factor, wish i like!.

also in a team games we still need to have 2,3 or 4 unique players in each team.

nothing more to say.. 8-)

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby yeti_c on Sat May 15, 2010 1:49 pm

Really don't get people voting against this - if you don't like it - don't play it.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Gold Knight on Sat May 15, 2010 2:06 pm

yeti_c wrote:Really don't get people voting against this - if you don't like it - don't play it.

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I think its more to the point that if Lack were to implement something on this site at all, he would want at least a majority to use it. We could implement every suggestion put in here, and the majority of the people on this site dont use half of the options there are. Especially with a game option like this, its one of the main parts of the game selection and should be a thing that pertains to the enjoyment of the majority of the site.

I agree, if this is implemented, i just wont play it as you stated. But what the point of this suggestions forum is for is to see how many people will and wont play it.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby edwinissweet on Sat May 15, 2010 2:52 pm

do keep in mind that most people in CC are not active in the forums.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby yeti_c on Sat May 15, 2010 3:34 pm

Ah - I didn't actually read the poll topic - I assumed it was a "yes/no" question.

I've read the poll question now - and voted No now.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby iamkoolerthanu on Sat May 15, 2010 3:39 pm

yeti_c wrote:Ah - I didn't actually read the poll topic - I assumed it was a "yes/no" question.

I've read the poll question now - and voted No now.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby grayknight_2 on Sat May 15, 2010 4:24 pm

GOT TO BE NO FOR ME I THINK TEAM GAMES SHOULD BE JUST THAT ALL DIFFERENT IDEAS FROM DIFFERENT VIEWS OF TEAM MATES
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Nephilim on Sat May 15, 2010 6:32 pm

what the hell is wrong with all you people voting "no"?

all the high-falutin' talk about "team games require teamwork and all these other noble values, and this would ruin it".....well, if team games are so great (and i love them), then people will still play them even with a new option, won't they?

the point of this project is to make real challenges between 2 players an effing possibility after ALL THIS TIME. isn't it completely insane that 2 CC members can't test their skills against each other in a game? this is the best solution.....STOP TRYING TO RUIN IT FOR US, all you haters

whatever little wrinkles there are (scoring questions, etc.), they can be worked out....let's make the changes NOW
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Incandenza on Sat May 15, 2010 6:48 pm

Nephilim wrote:what the hell is wrong with all you people voting "no"?

all the high-falutin' talk about "team games require teamwork and all these other noble values, and this would ruin it".....well, if team games are so great (and i love them), then people will still play them even with a new option, won't they?

the point of this project is to make real challenges between 2 players an effing possibility after ALL THIS TIME. isn't it completely insane that 2 CC members can't test their skills against each other in a game? this is the best solution.....STOP TRYING TO RUIN IT FOR US, all you haters

whatever little wrinkles there are (scoring questions, etc.), they can be worked out....let's make the changes NOW


Hell yes.

While 1vTeam has issues and should probably be set aside, team 1v1 would be an amazing new gameplay concept, the likes of which CC hasn't seen in a long, long time. I love teams games as much as the next guy, pretty much all I play these days, and I disagree that team 1v1 would kill team games. After all, 1v1 didn't kill team games. You know why? 'Cause 1v1 is really flawed. With team 1v1, CC will finally have a halfway decent system for two player to go head to head without drop and turn order becoming the major element.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby peanutsdad on Sat May 15, 2010 7:14 pm

i voted, looks like a close race
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby pmchugh on Sat May 15, 2010 7:24 pm

Incandenza wrote:
Nephilim wrote:what the hell is wrong with all you people voting "no"?

all the high-falutin' talk about "team games require teamwork and all these other noble values, and this would ruin it".....well, if team games are so great (and i love them), then people will still play them even with a new option, won't they?

the point of this project is to make real challenges between 2 players an effing possibility after ALL THIS TIME. isn't it completely insane that 2 CC members can't test their skills against each other in a game? this is the best solution.....STOP TRYING TO RUIN IT FOR US, all you haters

whatever little wrinkles there are (scoring questions, etc.), they can be worked out....let's make the changes NOW


Hell yes.

While 1vTeam has issues and should probably be set aside, team 1v1 would be an amazing new gameplay concept, the likes of which CC hasn't seen in a long, long time. I love teams games as much as the next guy, pretty much all I play these days, and I disagree that team 1v1 would kill team games. After all, 1v1 didn't kill team games. You know why? 'Cause 1v1 is really flawed. With team 1v1, CC will finally have a halfway decent system for two player to go head to head without drop and turn order becoming the major element.


You guys understand that the poll is only if 1vteam should be included?

1v1 team is definately being submitted i think.

I voted no in this, I think 1v1 team would be great but 1vteam I don't see much point in. It would be much easier for the 1 without the need for communication I see no reason why a team of 4 would ever want to play 1 guy :?
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby hiddendragon on Sat May 15, 2010 7:27 pm

There would be to many ways to farm with this proposal. Even though it sucks when a partner makes a bad deployment or skips a turn or is simply a complete idiot it is part of the game, deal with it.
Team chat and cooperation or a team that has a good feel for one another is what this proposal seems to be about. My advise is that if someone doesn't like a partner(s) then that player should find new mates.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Sat May 15, 2010 7:32 pm

hiddendragon wrote:There would be to many ways to farm with this proposal. Even though it sucks when a partner makes a bad deployment or skips a turn or is simply a complete idiot it is part of the game, deal with it.
Team chat and cooperation or a team that has a good feel for one another is what this proposal seems to be about. My advise is that if someone doesn't like a partner(s) then that player should find new mates.

No. This suggestion is made & supported by some of the most successful team players at the site, with great win% in team games. Players, who are members in top clans. Players, who have no problem whatsoever to find good & reliable team mates.

This suggestion is not at all about fixing any problem with team games. It is about an alternative to the current 1v1 games.

Please at least read a bit, before you post the same things, that have been brought up & discussed a gazillion times already.

Same goes for the farming issue: If this is indeed your opinion, please explain, why. Why is there a huge farming potential in this game option ? Why would it be greater than in other game options, that exist ?
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby pmchugh on Sat May 15, 2010 7:34 pm

hiddendragon wrote:There would be to many ways to farm with this proposal. Even though it sucks when a partner makes a bad deployment or skips a turn or is simply a complete idiot it is part of the game, deal with it.
Team chat and cooperation or a team that has a good feel for one another is what this proposal seems to be about. My advise is that if someone doesn't like a partner(s) then that player should find new mates.


Notice here some of the top team players are 100% in favour of this suggestion. It has nothing to do with poor partners, its about enhancing 1v1, a way for top players to have individual battles without the huge reliance on luck or speed.

Your only argument against it is farming, I fail to see how in any way this would create more farming than freestyle games.

beat me to it ahunda.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby mattattam on Sat May 15, 2010 11:49 pm

I love 1v1, and to see an expansion on it for 1v1 team games and 1vteam games would be fun and exciting.

All I have to say about arguments against this that talk about this option taking away from team game play is if this game-type is more liked than team game play it only shows how good of an idea it is.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby 300spartans on Sun May 16, 2010 12:48 am

no they should not. it should be a whole team vs a whole team or a single person as a team vs the same. they shouldnt be mixed
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Mr_Adams on Sun May 16, 2010 1:45 am

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=44540

this was suggested 2 years ago...
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby edwinissweet on Sun May 16, 2010 1:58 am

Mr_Adams wrote:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=44540

this was suggested 2 years ago...


i like his poll :lol: (we need a chuckling smiley, that one looks to intense)

anyhow, yea, but this is moving along pretty swiftly. Just today we had over 100 people voting. As soon as everyhing is discussed, it will be submitted.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby johnkelly00 on Sun May 16, 2010 11:38 am

I think the idea is amazing. I absolutely detest 1v1 games any more - especially on maps with lots of territs. The first mover has a definite advantage and, unless they are completely skill-less, will win a good percentage of the time.

My alternative suggestion is an option (or maybe just a default setting) that the first mover gets half incoming troops on the first round only. This minimizes the first mover advantage a bit - again particularly in games with lots of territs, this works well.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby iamkoolerthanu on Sun May 16, 2010 12:29 pm

I think alot of the voters have mis-read the poll question.. I did at first, and by some of the responses I am reading, it seems like other people are mis-reading it as well.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby mattattam on Sun May 16, 2010 12:52 pm

iamkoolerthanu wrote:I think alot of the voters have mis-read the poll question.. I did at first, and by some of the responses I am reading, it seems like other people are mis-reading it as well.


I misread it at first as well. It seems like a fourth of the people that have commented don't realize it is 1vteam that we are voting on. I think it should be made more clear by a bold statement in the first post stating at the beginning that this poll is about 1vteam
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Lubawski on Sun May 16, 2010 2:59 pm

If it's 1v1 (and this is simply adding each player having two or three of themselves in games, I see that as an improvement to the 1v1 format that relies too heavily on 1st turn. Points earned would be the same (not three times as much for trips, let's say).

If it's 1v a team, I think that's a horrible idea. Play with yourself like normal people. Join a porn site. This would certainly be a way for the top farmers on the site to continue to do so. They would farm their points three times as fast.
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