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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ahunda on Sat May 15, 2010 7:32 pm

hiddendragon wrote:There would be to many ways to farm with this proposal. Even though it sucks when a partner makes a bad deployment or skips a turn or is simply a complete idiot it is part of the game, deal with it.
Team chat and cooperation or a team that has a good feel for one another is what this proposal seems to be about. My advise is that if someone doesn't like a partner(s) then that player should find new mates.

No. This suggestion is made & supported by some of the most successful team players at the site, with great win% in team games. Players, who are members in top clans. Players, who have no problem whatsoever to find good & reliable team mates.

This suggestion is not at all about fixing any problem with team games. It is about an alternative to the current 1v1 games.

Please at least read a bit, before you post the same things, that have been brought up & discussed a gazillion times already.

Same goes for the farming issue: If this is indeed your opinion, please explain, why. Why is there a huge farming potential in this game option ? Why would it be greater than in other game options, that exist ?
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby pmchugh on Sat May 15, 2010 7:34 pm

hiddendragon wrote:There would be to many ways to farm with this proposal. Even though it sucks when a partner makes a bad deployment or skips a turn or is simply a complete idiot it is part of the game, deal with it.
Team chat and cooperation or a team that has a good feel for one another is what this proposal seems to be about. My advise is that if someone doesn't like a partner(s) then that player should find new mates.


Notice here some of the top team players are 100% in favour of this suggestion. It has nothing to do with poor partners, its about enhancing 1v1, a way for top players to have individual battles without the huge reliance on luck or speed.

Your only argument against it is farming, I fail to see how in any way this would create more farming than freestyle games.

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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby mattattam on Sat May 15, 2010 11:49 pm

I love 1v1, and to see an expansion on it for 1v1 team games and 1vteam games would be fun and exciting.

All I have to say about arguments against this that talk about this option taking away from team game play is if this game-type is more liked than team game play it only shows how good of an idea it is.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby 300spartans on Sun May 16, 2010 12:48 am

no they should not. it should be a whole team vs a whole team or a single person as a team vs the same. they shouldnt be mixed
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Mr_Adams on Sun May 16, 2010 1:45 am

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=44540

this was suggested 2 years ago...
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby edwinissweet on Sun May 16, 2010 1:58 am

Mr_Adams wrote:http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=44540

this was suggested 2 years ago...


i like his poll :lol: (we need a chuckling smiley, that one looks to intense)

anyhow, yea, but this is moving along pretty swiftly. Just today we had over 100 people voting. As soon as everyhing is discussed, it will be submitted.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby johnkelly00 on Sun May 16, 2010 11:38 am

I think the idea is amazing. I absolutely detest 1v1 games any more - especially on maps with lots of territs. The first mover has a definite advantage and, unless they are completely skill-less, will win a good percentage of the time.

My alternative suggestion is an option (or maybe just a default setting) that the first mover gets half incoming troops on the first round only. This minimizes the first mover advantage a bit - again particularly in games with lots of territs, this works well.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby iamkoolerthanu on Sun May 16, 2010 12:29 pm

I think alot of the voters have mis-read the poll question.. I did at first, and by some of the responses I am reading, it seems like other people are mis-reading it as well.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby mattattam on Sun May 16, 2010 12:52 pm

iamkoolerthanu wrote:I think alot of the voters have mis-read the poll question.. I did at first, and by some of the responses I am reading, it seems like other people are mis-reading it as well.


I misread it at first as well. It seems like a fourth of the people that have commented don't realize it is 1vteam that we are voting on. I think it should be made more clear by a bold statement in the first post stating at the beginning that this poll is about 1vteam
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Lubawski on Sun May 16, 2010 2:59 pm

If it's 1v1 (and this is simply adding each player having two or three of themselves in games, I see that as an improvement to the 1v1 format that relies too heavily on 1st turn. Points earned would be the same (not three times as much for trips, let's say).

If it's 1v a team, I think that's a horrible idea. Play with yourself like normal people. Join a porn site. This would certainly be a way for the top farmers on the site to continue to do so. They would farm their points three times as fast.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby nippersean on Sun May 16, 2010 3:28 pm

I think it's a fine proposal.

Not voting 'cos 1 vs team can come later (maybe) - one step at a time.

1 v 1 dubs, trips, quads style- love it.

Of course it won't ruin genuine trips games, much like the car never ruined the joy of running. Or the vibrator....never mind.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby edwinissweet on Sun May 16, 2010 4:05 pm

I see that a few people have commented on it becoming a farmer issue. I think that farmers will take advantage of whatever they can, but the rest of the community shouldnt miss out on something because of it. A team doest have to play you.. its just an option, a variation. Im not good at freestyle, but its there for whenever i want to try.

Also, i think that if you are going to get points from 4 people, that you are putting yourself on the line 4 times. If a farmer were to seek low ranks to play, a game like this could cost him 200-300 points.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby Timminz on Sun May 16, 2010 4:23 pm

I love the 1v1 version of this, but I strongly oppose the 1vteam idea. I just can't see how it would be successful. I personally, would probably never join with a team, against a single person.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby ArgoW on Sun May 16, 2010 4:30 pm

crap hit the yes vote cause i toght whould be like 200 no and 5 yes just to show som pity.... but yes is in the lead... what have i done!!!! LOL hehe na its always fun to try new stuff so whatever happens just trow the dice and move left or right
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby AndyDufresne on Sun May 16, 2010 4:37 pm

Timminz wrote:I love the 1v1 version of this, but I strongly oppose the 1vteam idea. I just can't see how it would be successful. I personally, would probably never join with a team, against a single person.


Agreed here. 1vs1 team games is one of the best new ideas I've seen for a long time! And it is something I'd definitely support. But I wouldn't want to see handicap or 3 way games like that.


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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby mattattam on Sun May 16, 2010 5:13 pm

edwinissweet wrote:
Also, i think that if you are going to get points from 4 people, that you are putting yourself on the line 4 times. If a farmer were to seek low ranks to play, a game like this could cost him 200-300 points.


That is a really good point. The potential to lose that many points could deter farming. Personally I don't see why people care about farmers.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby stahrgazer on Tue May 18, 2010 9:20 am

ahunda wrote:As for some more specific questions in the last posts:

Point calculation in 1vteam: As was discussed in this thread, the single player would indeed put twice his points on the line in a Dubs, thrice in a Trips, etc. This was seen as a balance to his advantage of not needing to communicate & co-ordinate his strategy. (As I said: I´m not particularly interested in / fond of this option.)

Medals: The suggestion was made, that 1v1 team games should not count for regular team medals. I am not sure, if they could fit into any other medal category (I doubt it), or if there maybe could be a new 1v1 medal.


If a player is taking up several spots, he should indeed lose more than if he's only taking up one spot on a team. Perhaps lack could code it so that a 1-quad player loses his normal points plus 75%, a trips loses normal plus 50% and a dubs loses normal points plus 25% - more losses than normal, but not double, and lose more based on the number of spots he's taking.

As for medals... I strongly believe this type of play should not count for the existing 'Normal team" medals; and if I knew they wouldn't, I'd change my vote to support the option. I mean, think about it... this isn't a team; it's a single player who's using several colors to play against someone else or a group of others using their colors. If the single player wins against a team of 4 different players, that could count as 4 kills on the single player standard medal, but shouldn't count as kills on quads team medals.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby agonzos on Tue May 18, 2010 1:44 pm

I love the 1v1 idea, but the 1vteam idea is horrible. Too many options that need to me implemented when creating the game and I don't see any real benefit to it for anyone playing it.

I think if it is implemented with just 1v1 being an option, then it should count as a singles medal, since you are still only having 2 players playing.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby MudPuppy on Tue May 18, 2010 2:16 pm

The 1v1 team option is a no-brainer and should be at the top of the list for future site improvements. I voted 'yes' for the 1vteam option as well but that would just be a small add-on to the more important goal of improving the gaming experience for 1v1'ers on this site. I kinda think it would be an interesting option to take on a multi-player team single-handedly.

As long as it is built so that multi-player teams can create games with the ability to restrict 1-player teams from joining, then I see no problem with the 1vteam option.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby nippersean on Tue May 18, 2010 2:17 pm

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edwinissweet wrote:
Also, i think that if you are going to get points from 4 people, that you are putting yourself on the line 4 times. If a farmer were to seek low ranks to play, a game like this could cost him 200-300 points.


That is a really good point. The potential to lose that many points could deter farming. Personally I don't see why people care about farmers.


Not really (i.e totally the opposite). If a decent quads team put in for a public game - they could hammered by an expert at quads who would get 60 pts a pop.
It would be the way to go to make conqueror.
It may discourage people from leaving public games open to be picked off (when they thought it'd be team vs team).

I think this proposal should get back on track.

It's a great 1v1 idea.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby edwinissweet on Tue May 18, 2010 2:34 pm

nippersean wrote:
mattattam wrote:
edwinissweet wrote:
Also, i think that if you are going to get points from 4 people, that you are putting yourself on the line 4 times. If a farmer were to seek low ranks to play, a game like this could cost him 200-300 points.


That is a really good point. The potential to lose that many points could deter farming. Personally I don't see why people care about farmers.


Not really (i.e totally the opposite). If a decent quads team put in for a public game - they could hammered by an expert at quads who would get 60 pts a pop.
It would be the way to go to make conqueror.
It may discourage people from leaving public games open to be picked off (when they thought it'd be team vs team).

I think this proposal should get back on track.

It's a great 1v1 idea.



before the game opened you would be able to choose if your game is a normal quads, or if its a 1 vs team
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby mattattam on Tue May 18, 2010 8:24 pm

You didn't say anything in your reply edwin lol
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby edwinissweet on Tue May 18, 2010 9:22 pm

i typed inside his quote by accident lol. i fixed it
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Re: 1v1 Team Games

Postby natty dread on Wed May 19, 2010 11:54 am

1vteam sounds like a horrible idea to me. 1v1, meh, I don't much care for 1v1 anyway ...but if people want that I guess it could be a fun novelty.
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Re: 1v1 Team Games [last call baby]

Postby Queen_Herpes on Thu May 20, 2010 12:55 am

1vteam seems like a great way for multis to earn points. But it would also be a really easy way for mods to discover the multis. If people like it...make it happen!
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