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Re: Fog cards

Postby chapcrap on Fri Mar 09, 2012 5:48 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:I don't think it has to be a New Spoils. Could be an addon to all existing spoils, really.

I agree with that. Could be an option to turn on or off, like FoW is. I like it.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby greenoaks on Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:06 pm

i don't like it, these games would be just like No Spoils and drag on forever
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Re: Fog cards

Postby Sniper08 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:19 pm

greenoaks wrote:i don't like it, these games would be just like No Spoils and drag on forever


ever heard of round limits?
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Re: Fog cards

Postby DoomYoshi on Fri Mar 09, 2012 9:50 pm

Sniper08 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I don't think it has to be a New Spoils. Could be an addon to all existing spoils, really.


i think it does have to be a new kind of spoils, like nuclear was a new kind.

Why?
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Re: Fog cards

Postby Sniper08 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 10:04 pm

DoomYoshi wrote:
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DoomYoshi wrote:I don't think it has to be a New Spoils. Could be an addon to all existing spoils, really.


i think it does have to be a new kind of spoils, like nuclear was a new kind.

Why?


because you already get something for cashing other spoils.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby greenoaks on Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:13 pm

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greenoaks wrote:i don't like it, these games would be just like No Spoils and drag on forever


ever heard of round limits?

if the only way this is worth playing is with round limits then it is not worth implementing. the number of games is too small .
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Re: Fog cards

Postby Sniper08 on Fri Mar 09, 2012 11:27 pm

greenoaks wrote:
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greenoaks wrote:i don't like it, these games would be just like No Spoils and drag on forever


ever heard of round limits?

if the only way this is worth playing is with round limits then it is not worth implementing. the number of games is too small .


no, your entire arguement is saying this sugg is like no spoils and the games will become stalemates , so why do people play no spoils? should no spoils be taken away because of stalemates? stalemates are now irrelevant thanks to round limits, its your fault for getting into them by not using round limits, so any talk of stalemates as a reason not to implement any sugg is idiotic.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby greenoaks on Sat Mar 10, 2012 12:55 am

the reason we play spoils is to add something to the game, this does not.

+ the more dominant you are the more useless this option becomes
++ totally useless in Sunny games
+++ very little impact on maps such as the Age Of Realms trio that are full of neutrals

in short, the impact this option would have as an alternative to the current spoils options is so small it is not worth implementing.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby DoomYoshi on Sat Mar 10, 2012 11:54 am

Sniper08 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:
Sniper08 wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I don't think it has to be a New Spoils. Could be an addon to all existing spoils, really.


i think it does have to be a new kind of spoils, like nuclear was a new kind.

Why?


because you already get something for cashing other spoils.

But why can't pu get more than one thing? Is it such a problem that you get +2 troops OR the fog revealed.

Yes, it is totally useless in sunny. So, the onlyway it makes sense to me is if you make it:
Fog? Yes No Spoils
As opposed to your suggestion of
Escalating Flat Rate Nuclear No Spols Fog Spoils

I wouldn't play it very often as a standalone spoil.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby Sniper08 on Sun Mar 11, 2012 5:46 pm

greenoaks wrote:the reason we play spoils is to add something to the game, this does not.

first , being able to see across the map in fog games "adds something to the game"

+ the more dominant you are the more useless this option becomes

same can be said for nuclear,no spoils,esc,flat rate and pretty much any other setting as people who ar dominant tend to win

++ totally useless in Sunny games

and escalating games are useless on city mogul, there is always a flaw in something but this sugg is for FOG games

+++ very little impact on maps such as the Age Of Realms trio that are full of neutrals

same can be said for nuke spoils, should we remove them cause they have little impact on these maps

in short, the impact this option would have as an alternative to the current spoils options is so small it is not worth implementing.


DoomYoshi wrote:But why can't pu get more than one thing? Is it such a problem that you get +2 troops OR the fog revealed.

Yes, it is totally useless in sunny. So, the onlyway it makes sense to me is if you make it:
Fog? Yes No Spoils
As opposed to your suggestion of
Escalating Flat Rate Nuclear No Spols Fog Spoils

I wouldn't play it very often as a standalone spoil.


i can see your point, it certainly would be beneficial to add it onto existing spoils.if more people agree with you then ill add it to the first post.would like to see a sugg mod comment on this.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby DoomYoshi on Mon Mar 12, 2012 12:00 pm

chapcrap wrote:
DoomYoshi wrote:I don't think it has to be a New Spoils. Could be an addon to all existing spoils, really.

I agree with that. Could be an option to turn on or off, like FoW is. I like it.


Look. More people agreeing.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby WILLIAMS5232 on Tue Mar 13, 2012 12:14 am

i've always thought of making a map with a "radar" on it. that you could attack and break fog but not attack anything with it.

i doubt it could be done though. would be pretty neat. you could also shoot down the radar as well.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby benga on Tue Mar 13, 2012 2:26 am

Don't implement it as spoils, just make it as an option with fog games,
so when you cash spoils you also see regions.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby DoomYoshi on Tue Mar 13, 2012 1:42 pm

WILLIAMS5232 wrote:i've always thought of making a map with a "radar" on it. that you could attack and break fog but not attack anything with it.

i doubt it could be done though. would be pretty neat. you could also shoot down the radar as well.


That would be an AMAZING XML update.
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Re: Fog cards

Postby Sniper08 on Mon Mar 19, 2012 10:53 am

ok so this seems best included with cards so ill add it to first post
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