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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby JoshyBoy on Sat Jun 12, 2010 7:20 pm

Great idea... great feedback from some players already. I'll sticky this of now and see what happens.

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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby jrh_cardinal on Sat Jun 12, 2010 10:26 pm

I'm glad you all like it :)

ljex, I agree that manual makes it fair, but it makes it completely different, that only really works on maps like city mogul like you said, where it doesn't matter
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby qwertylpc on Sun Jun 13, 2010 2:06 pm

thats a great idea

when will it be implemented :p
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Commander62890 on Sun Jun 13, 2010 9:58 pm

This will make a big difference in FS 1v1 manual games as well. As it stands, if you join 2nd in a manual game, you can usually deploy and end first. If the two stacks happen to be next to each other, the player who ended deployment first, and starts his turn first, will usually win.

This will give the player who started the game a fair chance to deploy and end turn before his opponent.
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Ninja Champion on Mon Jun 14, 2010 5:39 pm

nice suggestion, it is somewhat disappointing when someone joins an automatic freestyle game and knocks down a few territories (lowering my deploy likely) and would give people time to study the map/drop, I like it
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby jrh_cardinal on Thu Jun 17, 2010 3:55 pm

based on other suggestions, this needs more support to get through no matter that all 9 people like it so far. I hate getting spam PM's/ wall messages, so I'm not gonna send those, but please support this if you like the idea :)
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby ljex on Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:26 am

jrh_cardinal wrote:based on other suggestions, this needs more support to get through no matter that all 9 people like it so far. I hate getting spam PM's/ wall messages, so I'm not gonna send those, but please support this if you like the idea :)


Make a poll

I think this should be implemented
I think this shoudnt be implemented
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby TheSaxlad on Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:37 am

Amazing Idea Guys.

Perfect, especially when you get a great drop and the other person get a horrendous one and then they log off and come on 3 hours later.

Might give you a chance to catch them!
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Kalano Sanchin on Fri Jun 18, 2010 8:30 pm

Fully support it. Its quite annoying when you go on to take your turn 10 seconds after the game has started and your territ bonus is already gone or the troops were you could've blocked a bonus is gone.
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Mageplunka on Sat Jun 19, 2010 5:43 am

i think if they do that, which is a great idea, then the speed game should also have a 2 minute run time......5 minutes is way to long to have to keep hitting the "R" button...may stop alot of people wearing out their finger muscles
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Army of GOD on Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:37 pm

ljex wrote:I think this should be implemented
I think this shoudnt be implemented


Flip-flopper. :roll:

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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby jrh_cardinal on Sat Jun 19, 2010 8:36 pm

Army of GOD wrote:
ljex wrote:I think this should be implemented
I think this shoudnt be implemented


Flip-flopper. :roll:

is that a joke? You should quote his whole post, he was suggesting I start a poll. If you were trying to troll him go to bumpage.


And for our freemium poster, i was suggesting this only for speed games, unless you're actually online it wouldn't matter for casual games ;)
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby army of nobunaga on Sat Jun 19, 2010 9:54 pm

lets be honest.. this is a great idea and fair BUT

no way in hell it will ever change... just like the point system will NEVER change.... too many ppl with too many points doing shit the shifty way dont want it changed.
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby danes on Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:01 pm

love this idea.

Don't like the 2 min idea though. Its hard enough playing a speed hive game with 5 min turns if you play escalating :P
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby jrh_cardinal on Sat Jun 19, 2010 10:33 pm

army of nobunaga wrote:lets be honest.. this is a great idea and fair BUT

no way in hell it will ever change... just like the point system will NEVER change.... too many ppl with too many points doing shit the shifty way dont want it changed.

people doing it "the shifty way" would want it to change. They can start games on the hardest maps and still be able to start at the same time as their opponents
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby qwertylpc on Sun Jun 20, 2010 2:25 pm

there is complete support no opposition in this thread except for a few pesemists who say bnothing will work so i say implement it
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby jpcloet on Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:34 pm

Didn't read most of this, but if the site does this, can we also get a large time delay on team fog games?
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Chuuuuck on Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:41 pm

I like this. Would help out a lot.
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Chuuuuck on Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:43 pm

Maybe change it to all speed games. Not just freestyle.

30 sec. really isn't that big of a deal to wait and it could help someone see the board if they play sequential in the fog.

For example, 1v1, sequential fog on classic. 2nd player joins the game and takes 2 territories of the first player. First player goes into the game and he can't see all of Australia now. He knows there are 5 territories of his opponents he can't see and 2 neutrals he can't see. It would be beneficial in that 30 sec. he could of seen Australia to know if there were neutrals in there.
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby White Moose on Thu Jul 01, 2010 1:55 pm

I like it!
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Queen_Herpes on Thu Jul 01, 2010 5:27 pm

I'm opposed for the following reasons:
-First, the only way players without clickies can have an advantage in 1v1 freestyle speed is to jump in first and break any bonuses or receive bonuses before the player who starts the game makes a move. Thae only time I play 1v1 freestyle speed is when I know I can jump in and go first without being hit by clickmasters. This suggestion would kill my ability to play speed 1v1 freestyle because I cannot load clickies and other scripts and add-ons. This suggestion, therefore, makes it easier for people who already have an easier time with clickies.
-Second, A delay is already possible if players click on the "manual" setting.
-Third, if its done in speed, then won't the slippery slope require a delay in sequential games...making them longer?
-Fourth, again, just like the prvious comment, the slippery slope would urge the admins to push this to casual freestyle games as well. I'm guessing like a 10 minute delay, making those games even longer.

Please don't let this go through, I enjoy playing the occassional 1v1 freestyle speed game and the only advantage I have against clickies is going first.
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby jrh_cardinal on Fri Jul 02, 2010 12:07 am

Queen_Herpes wrote:Please don't let this go through, I enjoy playing the occassional 1v1 freestyle speed game and the only advantage I have against clickies is going first.

well that my friend is cheating the system and it is exactly what I'm trying to stop. If everyone were as point-obsessed as you seem to be, then no speed freestyle would be created beacuse everyone would only join games second :roll: :roll: Only half of the spots in a 1v1 game are the second spot. Here is what you are saying:
Queen Herpes wrote:I do not want to make it more fair because the only way I have a chance to win is if I cheat

Queen_Herpes wrote:First, the only way players without clickies can have an advantage in 1v1 freestyle speed is to jump in first and break any bonuses or receive bonuses before the player who starts the game makes a move. Thae only time I play 1v1 freestyle speed is when I know I can jump in and go first without being hit by clickmasters. This suggestion would kill my ability to play speed 1v1 freestyle because I cannot load clickies and other scripts and add-ons. This suggestion, therefore, makes it easier for people who already have an easier time with clickies.

then get clickies :P. Clickies are not illegal, and it really is not a problem to download Firefox or chrome.
Queen_Herpes wrote:Second, A delay is already possible if players click on the "manual" setting.

totally changes the game, plus unless you have clickies (and know how to hold down the b button ;) ), you still start your turn second
Queen_Herpes wrote:Third, if its done in speed, then won't the slippery slope require a delay in sequential games...making them longer?

perhaps that would make sense as well, but only for speed and only for a short time at the very beginning (this is not after every turn :P ).

jpcloet wrote:can we also get a large time delay on team fog games?

I could see this also, but soon (singles) people are gonna want all fog games, and really doesn't the 12 hour rule work?
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Queen_Herpes on Fri Jul 02, 2010 1:50 am

jrh_cardinal wrote:
Queen_Herpes wrote:Please don't let this go through, I enjoy playing the occassional 1v1 freestyle speed game and the only advantage I have against clickies is going first.

well that my friend is cheating the system and it is exactly what I'm trying to stop.


I know clickies aren't illegal. However there are enough players out there, like me, who cannot load them. System issues, whatever the reason. Similarly, there are players who don't know how to load them or are so new to the site that they don't know scripts and addons exist. I'm not saying that justifies the situation, but there is a HUGE advantage to a player who has clickies in freestyle.

And all that I am saying is that there needs to be an equitable advantage given to those players who want to play freestyle but who lack the ability or option to obtain clickies.

Your suggestion leans more towards benefitting the player who has the better drop in 1v1 AND it still benefits the player with clickies and those scripts that start your turn for you. The rest of us have to keep hitting refresh until the next round starts.
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby jrh_cardinal on Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:22 am

see, I think that is naive. I don't know coding that well, so I'm not gonna get into the "system issues" you say you get when downloading clickies, but that does not make it right that you get an auto-advantage.

So you're saying this benefits the person with the better drop. Okay, I can live with that. That is MUCH better than benefiting the person that joins second. The drop is 50-50, so please answer this question: Are you saying the only time you would join speed freestyle is by getting the first turn automatically?
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Re: 20-30 Second wait period for speed freestyle

Postby Queen_Herpes on Fri Jul 02, 2010 10:56 am

jrh_cardinal wrote:see, I think that is naive. I don't know coding that well, so I'm not gonna get into the "system issues" you say you get when downloading clickies, but that does not make it right that you get an auto-advantage.

So you're saying this benefits the person with the better drop. Okay, I can live with that. That is MUCH better than benefiting the person that joins second. The drop is 50-50, so please answer this question: Are you saying the only time you would join speed freestyle is by getting the first turn automatically?


Since I don't have clickies, If I were to be the player to start/host (player1) a 1v1 freestyle game, I would lose. Plain and simple. If I join a 1v1 freestyle game hosted by someone else of a high rank, my only chance is to get that first move in before they start their turn. I've won some freestyle games against players with clickies and I have lost a lot more. The small benefit that I get in starting my turn before the clickie-enabled opponent is small but enough to help me win in about 25% of the games. The enormous benefit that this option gives to the clickie-enabled player playing against a non-clickie enabled player is enough to throw the odds of victory to 100% when clickies play non-clickies in speed freestyle.

It is an uphill battle to play 1v1 freestyle against players with clickies. I make the attempt. It is crazy fun, I have to constantly refresh the screen and the games are nutso on my end. My heart races. This suggestion would end my ability to have decent odds of competition in speed freestyle.

In an earlier post you called me a "point hog" or said something to the effect of me being "too concerned about my rank" or something like that, right? It isn't that way for me. It is about being competitive and offering a competitive challenge to my opponents. If by the time I start my turn in a speed freestyle game my opponent has already wiped my bonuses and enough of my armies, there isn't really any competition remaining in the game. If this sug goes through, I don't offer a challenge to the player with clickies and other add-ons, I'm just there to deploy and die. I don't care about the points, I just care about being a challenge and being competitive. And I am aware of the strategy that a freestyle player waits until the last second to deploy, attack, and fort. But on some maps, the benefit comes in the first strike. In some situations, it comes in the first strike.

Your suggestion still requires players to hit the refresh button umpteen times until the 20-30 second wait time is over. And, at that point, the clickie-enabled and other-script-enabled players win every time. I think I read something about the automatic-start-your-turn script being illegal, but that doesn't stop people from using it, I've seen players that start their turn in the second after my turn ends. Whatever, though, right? I'd just like to see a benefit remain for non-clickies like me so that I can still be competitive in those speed freestyle games.
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