[GO] Double Trouble Spoils

[TheForgivenOne]

"by greenoaks on Sat Dec 04, 2010 7:57 am

i just voted qwert, sorry it took me so long

unfortunately this will just fade away like my ones seem to have

it is a pity these were not stickied so all can see and vote 'yes' "
well these definitly will bring more attention,but its look that these is not so importan for MOds to stikied?

We can't exactly go around stickying every topic that comes by. Then people will probably just fill all the suggestion mods inbox's with PM's to sticky their suggestion, and this place will just turn into mass chaos.

Plus, you don't even have majority supporting the suggestion.

[Qwert]

lets go people, give these card option support

[MarshalNey]

so, as I understand it, you only receive troops if you own the spoil(s) being cashed. Non-owned region spoils receive nothing; and for owned regions, you receive no deploys but whatever number of troops you have on the region will be doubled.

Interesting.

Yes, it would mean a strategy of moving stacks around because of imminent cashes, but there's nothing wrong with that. In Nuclear spoils, we already have a setting where people are rearranging any stacks because of imminent cashes.

Definitely sounds like a unique option.

Stahrgazer has it exactly right, Double Trouble is essentially the "anti-Nuclear" type of spoil. I *love* Nukes because they focus on territory rather than random color-collecting. Territory-based spoils are something that plans can be made around. More strategic, less luck-based than Escalating or Flat Rate.

I fully support this idea.

[Qwert]

thanks for support, yes its like nuclear,but instead to lost,you will get double armies on that territory what you card posses- In nuclear you try to remove your troops out,here will strategy be to regroup all yours troops on that territory,and if you dont have these territory, you will try to save cards and try to secure these territory who will give you more troops. New and unique card settings, like you say,its will be based on strategy. In flat rate, who first cash,they get advantage, and here these can not be advantage,because its all depend on territory what you hold. These will be even more interesting if you play with fog,because you can not see what your opponent get after using of cards.

[Victor Sullivan]

For some reason, I thought this spoils option was something completely different. I fully support this now. Like MarshalNey said, focusing on the territory is a lot cooler than random colors and cashes.

-Sully

[Qwert]

thanks for support victor

[Qwert]

more votes need

[Victor Sullivan]

The poll is closed...

[Qwert]

what?? i dont put any limitation to poll, are you sure?

[Victor Sullivan]

what?? i dont put any limitation to poll, are you sure?

Wait, nevermind, I just got confused... My bad, sorry.

[JoshyBoy]

Seems like an unfeasible idea. Take this as an example. I'm playing eddie2, tdans, and JukeBox in a standard game with these new type of spoils on Feudal War. It's round 10, I am on Rebel with 5 cards, of which I own none of the territories. So I cash and get nothing. Now eddie2, cashes in a set and owns two of them, one including his castle which has a stack of 35 on it. Now he has 70 troops on his castle and I have nothing. He laughs and moves his troops forward for his next turn. Then tdans cashes in 3 of his 5 cards which luckily or him doubles his stack from 110 to 220, and his castle from 30 to 60. He then goes on to take out JukeBox, who has 5 cards, of which she owns 3 of them. Luckily or tdans, one of them is Imperial Dynasty 4, where he left his stack of 175 on his way over to kill her. He cashes in and doubles those troops again to finish the game.

[Qwert]

well,you can not look these in that way- because if you look on nuclear spoil,then you can use these excuses to not accept nuclear spoils, but they are implemented.
With nukes,can be same situation-you have set,but not kill your opponents,and eddie2 hit with hes set-yours two territory,and then tdans kill anoter one,and jike box,with hes set target your last territory and you are out. And these scenario realy can hapened, and nobody think that these is bad. These set can have much positive sides then negative,like nuklear spoils.

[Mr_Adams]

what happens when you have 2 of the same card (like on certain very small maps, such as lux and doodle earth)? do you get x•4? (x•2•2)

[Mr_Adams]

Seems like an unfeasible idea. Take this as an example. I'm playing eddie2, tdans, and JukeBox in a standard game with these new type of spoils on Feudal War. It's round 10, I am on Rebel with 5 cards, of which I own none of the territories. So I cash and get nothing. Now eddie2, cashes in a set and owns two of them, one including his castle which has a stack of 35 on it. Now he has 70 troops on his castle and I have nothing. He laughs and moves his troops forward for his next turn. Then tdans cashes in 3 of his 5 cards which luckily or him doubles his stack from 110 to 220, and his castle from 30 to 60. He then goes on to take out JukeBox, who has 5 cards, of which she owns 3 of them. Luckily or tdans, one of them is Imperial Dynasty 4, where he left his stack of 175 on his way over to kill her. He cashes in and doubles those troops again to finish the game.

Those numbers sound like feudal on escalating...

[Qwert]

"Mr_Adams on Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:55 pm

what happens when you have 2 of the same card (like on certain very small maps, such as lux and doodle earth)? do you get x•4? (x•2•2)"
I think that these its not possibile to hepend,or i never heard that someone have 2 card with same territory name-anyone get that?

[TheForgivenOne]

"Mr_Adams on Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:55 pm

what happens when you have 2 of the same card (like on certain very small maps, such as lux and doodle earth)? do you get x•4? (x•2•2)"
I think that these its not possibile to hepend,or i never heard that someone have 2 card with same territory name-anyone get that?

It has happened to me. Playing Doodle Earth with 8 players, and we all had 4 cards. I cashed killing off 2 players, now I have 9 cards. I cashed another set and pegged off another player, now I have 10 cards. That's over 50% of the board I have, and there are still 4 other players with 4 cards, which totals 16. So 16+my 10 = 26. There are only 18 territories on Doodle EArth. I ended up cashing Andy's Mountain's twice in the same go. It's proven in a log.

[Qwert]

well its these hepend tvice, then these can hepend in nuclear also, and i dont see why will these be a problem?
And these only can hepend in very small maps, and you have over 170 maps, and 95% of maps are eligible for these card set for play normaly.

[Mr_Adams]

but my question is how would this 5% of maps be effected? I have personally seen people cash 2 of the same card on doodle in the same cash, just because they happened to kill off the person with their card. what do you do with this?

[Qwert]

well, they will effect like now,in all games with escalating,flat rate,or nuklear in these small maps.
For example,i whas in many doodle,or luxembourg games, where i dont even manage to cash spoils in escalating games,where everything are finish very fast, and what i can do? Can i say,that these maps not suitabile for escalating? No, because some people like to risk with these card options, and everybody need to get there right to decide what they want to play, and you or me,can not decide what they need to play- final decision its on individual player,and he decide what its suitabile for hem.

[Mr_Adams]

I'm not saying don't implement it. it's a fine idea! But what happens in this situation? Does the bonus effect the territory twice, or just once? if you turn two cards for a territory, as we have established is, in fact, possible, is it •2 or •4. That's all I want to know!

[Qwert]

"by Mr_Adams on Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:51 pm

I'm not saying don't implement it. it's a fine idea! But what happens in this situation? Does the bonus effect the territory twice, or just once? if you turn two cards for a territory, as we have established is, in fact, possible, is it •2 or •4. That's all I want to know!"
Theoreticaly-if other say,that its possibile that you have two same card(maybe someone can provide image of these), and ofcourse you will get 2x biger armies- but if you manage to get 2 set, then effect its almost same in all others spoils (esc,Flat) when you play in small maps- for nukes,can be opposite,because you can kill yours territroy also.
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number example-you have 10 troops in some territrye in doodle-manage to kill opponent and take hes cards-and then you need to have yours troops in these territry,what you have 2 time same name-with first cash yours 10 troops become 20 troops-with second cash yours 20 troop become 40 troops(double every time), i hope that these give you some answer?

[greenoaks]

if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2

[Mr_Adams]

if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2

Thats what I'm getting at. Not 2 separate cashes, but one cash with 2 of the same card. •3 sounds good.

[Darwins_Bane]

I feel like this has reached a good point in its discussion.Stickied.

[Qwert]

oh, in one set you had 2 card with same name?

"if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2"

No,its same when you cash same territory in two set-you forget how bonus add:

-qwert cashed in a group of Bohemia, Prussia, and Bohemia give double troops on these territory
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia

Well these is small example-if you have 10 troops on bohemia- and like you say have set on 2 same card with same name, then yours troops will increase 2 time.
First card give you 20 troops (10x2) and second card give you 40 (20x2), not 3x like you say.