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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby TheForgivenOne on Wed Jan 12, 2011 7:43 pm

qwert wrote:"Mr_Adams on Wed Jan 12, 2011 6:55 pm

what happens when you have 2 of the same card (like on certain very small maps, such as lux and doodle earth)? do you get x•4? (x•2•2)"
I think that these its not possibile to hepend,or i never heard that someone have 2 card with same territory name-anyone get that?


It has happened to me. Playing Doodle Earth with 8 players, and we all had 4 cards. I cashed killing off 2 players, now I have 9 cards. I cashed another set and pegged off another player, now I have 10 cards. That's over 50% of the board I have, and there are still 4 other players with 4 cards, which totals 16. So 16+my 10 = 26. There are only 18 territories on Doodle EArth. I ended up cashing Andy's Mountain's twice in the same go. It's proven in a log.
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Qwert on Thu Jan 13, 2011 12:19 pm

well its these hepend tvice, then these can hepend in nuclear also, and i dont see why will these be a problem?
And these only can hepend in very small maps, and you have over 170 maps, and 95% of maps are eligible for these card set for play normaly.
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Mr_Adams on Thu Jan 13, 2011 2:19 pm

but my question is how would this 5% of maps be effected? I have personally seen people cash 2 of the same card on doodle in the same cash, just because they happened to kill off the person with their card. what do you do with this?
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Qwert on Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:11 pm

well, they will effect like now,in all games with escalating,flat rate,or nuklear in these small maps.
For example,i whas in many doodle,or luxembourg games, where i dont even manage to cash spoils in escalating games,where everything are finish very fast, and what i can do? Can i say,that these maps not suitabile for escalating? No, because some people like to risk with these card options, and everybody need to get there right to decide what they want to play, and you or me,can not decide what they need to play- final decision its on individual player,and he decide what its suitabile for hem.
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Mr_Adams on Thu Jan 13, 2011 4:51 pm

I'm not saying don't implement it. it's a fine idea! But what happens in this situation? Does the bonus effect the territory twice, or just once? if you turn two cards for a territory, as we have established is, in fact, possible, is it •2 or •4. That's all I want to know!
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Qwert on Thu Jan 13, 2011 5:16 pm

"by Mr_Adams on Thu Jan 13, 2011 11:51 pm

I'm not saying don't implement it. it's a fine idea! But what happens in this situation? Does the bonus effect the territory twice, or just once? if you turn two cards for a territory, as we have established is, in fact, possible, is it •2 or •4. That's all I want to know!"
Theoreticaly-if other say,that its possibile that you have two same card(maybe someone can provide image of these), and ofcourse you will get 2x biger armies- but if you manage to get 2 set, then effect its almost same in all others spoils (esc,Flat) when you play in small maps- for nukes,can be opposite,because you can kill yours territroy also.
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number example-you have 10 troops in some territrye in doodle-manage to kill opponent and take hes cards-and then you need to have yours troops in these territry,what you have 2 time same name-with first cash yours 10 troops become 20 troops-with second cash yours 20 troop become 40 troops(double every time), i hope that these give you some answer?
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby greenoaks on Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:11 am

if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2
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Postby Mr_Adams on Fri Jan 14, 2011 12:47 am

greenoaks wrote:if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2



Thats what I'm getting at. Not 2 separate cashes, but one cash with 2 of the same card. •3 sounds good.
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Postby Darwins_Bane on Fri Jan 14, 2011 1:45 am

I feel like this has reached a good point in its discussion.Stickied.
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Qwert on Fri Jan 14, 2011 4:21 am

oh, in one set you had 2 card with same name?

"if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2"

No,its same when you cash same territory in two set-you forget how bonus add:

-qwert cashed in a group of Bohemia, Prussia, and Bohemia give double troops on these territory
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia

Well these is small example-if you have 10 troops on bohemia- and like you say have set on 2 same card with same name, then yours troops will increase 2 time.
First card give you 20 troops (10x2) and second card give you 40 (20x2), not 3x like you say.
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby greenoaks on Fri Jan 14, 2011 8:58 pm

qwert wrote:oh, in one set you had 2 card with same name?

"if you cash the same territory twice in the one set then it should be x3 not x2 & x2"

No,its same when you cash same territory in two set-you forget how bonus add:

-qwert cashed in a group of Bohemia, Prussia, and Bohemia give double troops on these territory
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia
- qwert got bonus of double troops added to Bohemia

Well these is small example-if you have 10 troops on bohemia- and like you say have set on 2 same card with same name, then yours troops will increase 2 time.
First card give you 20 troops (10x2) and second card give you 40 (20x2), not 3x like you say.

but you are not cashing them one after the other.

if they are in the same set the action will take place at exactly the same time therefore both cards will put the same amount on the terit
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Qwert on Sat Jan 15, 2011 6:51 am

oh,i think that i understand what you mean, but then these is only regular one time double,if you cash in same time 2 card with same card. Need some tehnician who will explane how many combination you can have with these card option.
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Postby emelar on Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:14 pm

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Postby TheForgivenOne on Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:23 pm

emelar wrote:test

:-s Point of this being...?
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!!

Postby Woodruff on Sun Jan 23, 2011 8:33 pm

qwert wrote:""by rdsrds2120 on Thu Nov 11, 2010 10:01 pm
I'm scared of this being really luck based. If you think about it, this could give you more troops in 4 rounds than flat rate ever could - and the reason for not playing flat rate is the luck dependency.""

Luck? if you have 5 cards,and dont hold any territory with card name-you will get zero troops when you cash cards.


And you don't think that would be a factor of luck?!??! This setup would be as luck-based as nuclear spoils, which are embarrassingly luck-based.
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Qwert on Mon Jan 24, 2011 6:38 am

well many thing its based on luck-if you play escalating-some players had luck to cash in 3 cards,and some player need to get all 5 to have cash. I dont see any problem with that.
In flat rate,some player get luck to cash two three time in row three diferent colour,and some player get all red cards,again these is luck, because you dont have influence on cards.
But here you can have influence on bonus cards,because you have advantage to change card value,and actively increase your bonus value. This setup are half luck -based,because if you not reinforce,take or deploy on territory who you have same card name,then these can be big mistake,not luck based.
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Queen_Herpes on Tue Feb 08, 2011 12:31 pm

I like new spoils options. Another great suggestion by qwert!
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby PLAYER57832 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 7:57 am

quert, you come up with a lot of great ideas, but I think this has too much potential to skew things.
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Qwert on Wed Feb 09, 2011 9:00 am

"Queen_Herpes on Tue Feb 08, 2011 7:31 pm
I like new spoils options. Another great suggestion by qwert!"
thanks

"PLAYER57832 on Wed Feb 09, 2011 2:57 pm
quert, you come up with a lot of great ideas, but I think this has too much potential to skew things."
what you mean to skew things?
and im qwert,not quert
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Postby Qwert on Sat Feb 26, 2011 10:52 am

more voters please
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Postby TheForgivenOne on Tue Mar 08, 2011 8:55 pm

If you can get a little bit more support, I will move this into Submitted. Currently 55-45 is not enough to be submitted (In my opinion, if another Sugg mod thinks otherwise, I will back his decision)
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Postby Qwert on Wed Mar 09, 2011 6:43 am

Ok,fair enough, lets stay more in these area.
Please more voters need.
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Postby Queen_Herpes on Tue Mar 15, 2011 11:06 pm

Such a cool idea. Hopefully we get a new spoils option, whether its this one or poker spoils, or meteor spoils, or...
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby blakebowling on Sun Mar 20, 2011 7:13 pm

TheForgivenOne wrote:If you can get a little bit more support, I will move this into Submitted. Currently 55-45 is not enough to be submitted (In my opinion, if another Sugg mod thinks otherwise, I will back his decision)

IMO, if it's going to be an option, and has at least 50% support of the community, and there isn't any debate / changes still going on. It's good enough to be submitted. Either way, nothing could hurt to get some more opinions.
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Re: Double Trouble Spoils-new unique set of cards !!![poll]

Postby Qwert on Mon Mar 21, 2011 5:12 pm

yep,people dont debate, its quite nice explane, and its can not hurt to have another card option, and people like to have many diferent option to play.
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