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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby Dancing Mustard on Thu May 22, 2008 10:16 am

yeti_c wrote:No I think he said it gave you a few more powers that you shouldn't need...

And it's probably the case that the Multi hunters have these - but they are trusted members of staff - and not lay people like you or me... and therefore can be trusted not to abuse said tools.

But if those powers were restricted to sub-forums, then what would the problem be? If somebody were to start acting like a twat with them, then people would just leave their clan... problem solved. What precisely is it that's so earth-shatteringly powerful that clan-leaders shouldnt' be allowed to do in their own personal sub-forums? Help me out here, what is it that Andy and Co are so terrified of giving us? I sure can't think of anything off the top of my head.

After all, what concern is it to anybody on this entire site (apart from members of the clan in question) what goes on in a sub-forum? People can leave at any time, and don't have to enter unless they want to. What tools is it that clan-leaders ought not have over their own private areas?

Unless there's some specific function that can't be turned off, that's allowing controlers to cause macro-effects outside of the sub-forum, then I fail to see a problem. I am of course happy to be contradicted if anybody in the know can give me some specific details about precisely what the 'problem' here is... after all, we're all still pretty much in the dark as to what the nature of the alleged 'technical hitches' are.
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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby yeti_c on Thu May 22, 2008 10:17 am

I have just told you what the problem is.

The Usergroup Mod would have access to something that the admins don't want you to have access to.

End of.

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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby Dancing Mustard on Thu May 22, 2008 11:03 am

yeti_c wrote:I have just told you what the problem is.

The Usergroup Mod would have access to something that the admins don't want you to have access to.

End of.

Oh come on, don't take that high-handed pompous tone, there's really no need for it and it gets us nowhere.

If there's something that we're not being given access to, then what is it, and what's the reason for that? I realise that "Not telling you. No giving feature because we say so." could indeed be given as the final word here, but wouldn't it be so much better if we all acted like adults and actually advanced some sane reasons for why that particular state of affairs was judged to be the best available?
This is a feature that has been promised for quite some time now, and I think I'm a big enough boy to be able to deal with the (no doubt mind-blowing) full answer as to why it's being delayed.
Don't get me wrong, if a simple "no" is all you require then that's fine by me, off you trot. But some of us here are quite keen on proper answers and reasoned explanations, so don't mind us if we stick around until we get one.

Also, don't think I'm being rude here; but perhaps you should take a back-seat for a few minutes until somebody actually 'in the know' is able to furnish us with such a proper answer? You're not a mod, you don't know anything more than you've already told us, and you don't appear to be up for rational debate. Just replying with "You have been told no. Shut up." to rational requests will inevitably turn apolite suggestions thread into a flame war, so cut it out.

The point I'm making here (as you seem to have missed it) is that I fail to see what power over a sub-forum could be given to Forum-Mods that would be detrimental to the site (unless what is being darkly referred to here is some 'macro' power like banning a user).
I was rather hoping for some clarification on that point rather than having somebody who once spoke to a mod on msn some time ago and heard them give an ambiguous offhand answer about the subject tell me that "somebody subjectively thinks something else would be a bad idea, so this is over immediately, even without you being told what the thing was and why the people think that".
This isn't pre-school, and some of us are able to comprehend (and as paying customers feel that we deserve) proper answers, instead of trite "yes/no/maybe" proclamations. It's not that I'm unwilling to accept that something can't be done right now, I'm just keen to know why precisely that is... is that really so much to ask for?

So thank you Yeti,
you've been very useful so far; but please desist with the patronising, pugnacious tone until somebody who knows what they're talking about arrives to give us all a clarification. We're big boys and girls here, and we quite like being treated like adults and told why deciscions get made. If you're content to just be told "no" and given no explanation then that's fine, but this is a serious discussion forum and everybody else here would like a serious answer.

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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu May 22, 2008 1:11 pm

The main point is sensitive info about a large number of users being available to a greater number of people. Some of it is moderator related, some of it more specifically user related (like IP Addresses, etc). Now everyone eat a banana. :)


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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby yeti_c on Thu May 22, 2008 1:28 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:but please desist with the patronising tone


Hmmm - I'm pretty sure it is you with the patronising tone - I was merely trying to provide you with an answer and be useful... yet you are obviously far too supercillious to realise that.

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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby Anarkistsdream on Thu May 22, 2008 1:45 pm

Quit flaming or you both get a time out...
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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby owenshooter on Thu May 22, 2008 2:56 pm

yeti_c wrote:I was talking to Andy about this the other day on Skype...

your feet hurt from all that name dropping? let's get this done!!-0
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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby Dancing Mustard on Thu May 22, 2008 3:12 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:The main point is sensitive info about a large number of users being available to a greater number of people. Some of it is moderator related, some of it more specifically user related (like IP Addresses, etc).

Ahhh, now that does make sense.

Thank you for clarifying what the problem was, I know see why handing out sub-forum mod powers is a no-no at this time. Have the boys over at Phpbb-City got back to you or acknowledged your question to them yet?

@Yeti: Yes yes, "No Yuo!!!" I've heard it all before. Please quit the petty aspersion casting, it's really not helping anybody. I'm not here to have some childish back-and-forth with you, I'm here to sensibly discuss the proposal that this thread is all about. If you insist on flaming then take it to FW, otherwise simmer down.
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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby suggs on Thu May 22, 2008 3:39 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:and I am still not eating the sweet tasting nectar of Nazi control over my sub-forum.

When will that happen?



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Re: Mod Powers in Sub-Forums

Postby AndyDufresne on Thu May 22, 2008 5:40 pm

Dancing Mustard wrote:Thank you for clarifying what the problem was, I know see why handing out sub-forum mod powers is a no-no at this time. Have the boys over at Phpbb-City got back to you or acknowledged your question to them yet?

Unfortunately not at the moment. I checked and there is no current mod available or in development, but I submitted a mod request. But this mod request has yet to be answered by anyone of course. :)


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Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby lanyards on Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:00 pm

Show your support here: http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=969995

Concise description:
  • The leaders of User Groups and Clans should have all the moderation powers of normal Mods, but only within their hidden forum.

Specifics:
  • They should be able to sticky threads, unsticky threads, merge threads, delete polls, edit posts, delete posts...ect.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • It will help User Group and Clan Forums be able to have more freedom and become more organized.

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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby gloryordeath on Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:08 pm

This would be great! Mods of each clan could then "clean up old posts and stickies and deal with there members likes and dislikes within the user group much more efficiently. This has been a topic for some time in xiGAMES.
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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby glide on Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:36 am

yes......I agree with my XI brother....I'm currently trying to clean up our forum a bit, and it's frustrating not being able to get the originator to "unsticky" old/unrequired posts...this change would make life much simpler.
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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby Optimus Prime on Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:47 am

This has been a request for a long time, I know that, but from what I've heard the php workarounds required to make it work nicely are rather ugly and clunky.
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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby lanyards on Wed Jul 02, 2008 1:10 pm

Optimus Prime wrote:This has been a request for a long time, I know that, but from what I've heard the php workarounds required to make it work nicely are rather ugly and clunky.
So that mean it won't be happening?

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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:44 pm

To get this, we need some a forum MOD. I put in a request for a specific MOD at phpBB's forum, but it didn't draw any interest. I'll see and try again.


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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby gloryordeath on Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:56 pm

This a great idea andy what kind of support would you/this need to happen?
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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby lanyards on Wed Jul 02, 2008 8:59 pm

gloryordeath wrote:This a great idea andy what kind of support would you/this need to happen?
Andy, maybe put a link to it here so we can go there and show our support. I think it is really needed.

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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby lanyards on Wed Jul 02, 2008 9:26 pm

AndyDufresne wrote:http://www.phpbb.com/community/viewtopic.php?f=72&t=969995 :)


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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby lanyards on Sat Jul 05, 2008 3:56 pm

Bump, now bumping here.

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Granting Private Forum Moderator Privileges to Clan Leaders

Postby cpurcell on Fri Oct 24, 2008 9:56 pm

    Clan Leaders would have moderator privileges in their own private clan forums, and be able to delete threads.

Specifics:
    I'm sure that this has been brought up before, but I really think that it should be considered, seeing as it would greatly improve the site for people in clans with extremely active forums.

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
    This will improve the site because it will enable clan leaders to keep their forums clean, and enable them to (hopefully :? ) remove old posts from the forum so as to decrease the clutter.
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Re: Granting Private Forum Moderator Privileges to Clan Leaders

Postby blakebowling on Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:13 pm

This has been previously suggested here.

The only reason this hasn't been implemented yet is a MOD is required to add a permission for the viewing of logs, the request for the MOD can be found here
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Re: Granting Private Forum Moderator Privileges to Clan Leaders

Postby Spr_Dave on Fri Oct 24, 2008 11:24 pm

I think this is a great idea, anything ever come of it?
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Re: Usergroup / Clan Leaders Powers

Postby cpurcell on Sat Oct 25, 2008 8:06 am

I definitely support this, and so should all members of any clan! It is extremely frustrating to have to leave the old posts just sit there and clog up the forum :?
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