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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby Metsfanmax on Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:52 am

It would be nice if said team members would contribute their input to this.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby Bones2484 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 11:56 am

I like the idea of this award and I am highly against there being any clan challenge stipulations applied to the awarding of it.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby jefjef on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:04 pm

eddie2 wrote:well would it not be better pushing for the special award chemefreak was talking about earlier. you are talking about 1 award per year for your most valid player. chemefreak and clan mods are at present discussing 1 award per winning clan for most valid player so in real theory what this sug is doing is changing what clan mods are already discussing . AKA as a clan at present have a few valuble players who do extra work for the clan.

aka members are as follows.
far2ezee= has created a off site database for clan info and keeps it up to date.
razorvich+ dorsettrob+far2ezee= helped loads during my recient 1 month forum ban
wille e cyote= runs all our training games.
enormantitz wilkinc aligator_al studster9143 proberly 4 of the clans strongest players who are always checking games and making sure the clan comunicate in game.

now we look at the 2 things being discussed.
jefjefs sug
to award all these players a medal it would take 8 years.
clan mods ideas.
this would take 8 war wins which is about correct.

think of it if you are playing loads of wars but never winning you cant really say you have a player worthy of a special award for contribution. because if you not winning there not doing it correct. I am still for this sug but think it would be better putting it together with what clan mods are all ready discussing.


Entirely different.

These are unrelated. The MVP award you are speaking of is something CC is considering for war win contribution.

What this suggestion is something for us clan leaders to award to a member that contributes above and beyond to the success of the clan. Whats so hard to understand.

and eddie - check your math. You list 4 names. That would be 4 years.

This sugg has overwhelming support. There are only a couple that are trying to dismiss it and likely for personal reasons...

If you all need I can get plenty of more posters stopping by voicing their support.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby chemefreak on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:08 pm

Metsfanmax wrote:It would be nice if said team members would contribute their input to this.


Contributed. ;)
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby jefjef on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:10 pm

Bones2484 wrote:I like the idea of this award and I am highly against there being any clan challenge stipulations applied to the awarding of it.


The reason for the suggested requirement of 4 wars or it's equivalent is to make sure it is an active clan and the award recipient is also active.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby Bones2484 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:50 pm

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Bones2484 wrote:I like the idea of this award and I am highly against there being any clan challenge stipulations applied to the awarding of it.


The reason for the suggested requirement of 4 wars or it's equivalent is to make sure it is an active clan and the award recipient is also active.


Ok, that makes sense. I apologize if I missed it somewhere (long thread), but I assume things like participating in leagues and special challenges would qualify as well?

I guess I would amend my statement to read: I like the idea of this award and I am highly against there being any clan challenge wins stipulations applied to the awarding of it.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby eddie2 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 12:54 pm

jefjef wrote:
Entirely different.

These are unrelated. The MVP award you are speaking of is something CC is considering for war win contribution.


they are mvp awards what i am saying is merge the 2 of them because they are quiet similar and there is more chance of it getting passed if the 2 were merged to make 1 award with set boundarys.

jefjef wrote:What this suggestion is something for us clan leaders to award to a member that contributes above and beyond to the success of the clan. Whats so hard to understand.


for the last time i am not going against this sug.

jefjef wrote:and eddie - check your math. You list 4 names. That would be 4 years.


lol i typed the names maybe reread it there are more than 4.

jefjef wrote:This sugg has overwhelming support. There are only a couple that are trying to dismiss it and likely for personal reasons...

i am not against it. but the problem i am seeing is that admin won't allow this one and the one clan mods are discussing. i think you hate towards certain members is preventing you from taking whats being said validly (example metsfan asking somthing simple and you going into attack him.)

So like i said have private chat with chemefrank and maybe merge what they are talking about into one big sug.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby jefjef on Mon Oct 10, 2011 2:19 pm

they are mvp awards what i am saying is merge the 2 of them because they are quiet similar and there is more chance of it getting passed if the 2 were merged to make 1 award with set boundarys.


The MVP award that the CD's are looking at is for war performance.

far2eze, To use one of your players as an example, contributes greatly to your clan and may never qualify for an MVP award. Would you not be interested in giving him special recognition for his contributions? I can't imagine why you or anyone wouldn't.

There is a great chance to get this discretionary, non MVP game performance, award passed.

Sorry but 2 people trying to kill this, for whatever reason, is no where close to being just or within the wishes of the clan community. chemefreak, who is a CD, is also in here supporting this non MVP related award.

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jefjef wrote:
Bones2484 wrote:I like the idea of this award and I am highly against there being any clan challenge stipulations applied to the awarding of it.


The reason for the suggested requirement of 4 wars or it's equivalent is to make sure it is an active clan and the award recipient is also active.


Ok, that makes sense. I apologize if I missed it somewhere (long thread), but I assume things like participating in leagues and special challenges would qualify as well?

I guess I would amend my statement to read: I like the idea of this award and I am highly against there being any clan challenge wins stipulations applied to the awarding of it.


Wins are not required. Only active clan activities.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby chapcrap on Mon Oct 10, 2011 5:15 pm

eddie2 wrote:i am not against it. but the problem i am seeing is that admin won't allow this one and the one clan mods are discussing. i think you hate towards certain members is preventing you from taking whats being said validly (example metsfan asking somthing simple and you going into attack him.)

I have no hate toward anyone and I think you are wrong. These are 2 separate suggestions for 2 separate things.

You say that you're trying to merge them, but you really aren't. You're just trying to get rid of this one. In what way are you merging? I understand wanting more medals for your clan. But with these being 2 separate ideas, both can be passed. Having jefjef's suggestion, doesn't hinder the CD's MVP idea. It can still go through, even if jefjef's doesn't. There is no reason to "merge." It isn't helpful.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby eddie2 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 6:56 pm

chapchap think a min about all of this.

jefjef wants to award a medal once a year to the clans most valuble player. but can you actually say a clan with no war wins has a player worthy of a medal. so say

clan a

plays 4 wars during the year all 40 game wars. so there is 160 games. clan a loses 110 games with no war wins. the 1 year passes so clan mods contact clan a's leader for there clans mvp. who does he nominate
the person who runs the training games (they are not winning the games)
the person who researches into the the other clan. (cant be doing this properly)
the person running off site database of games.(can't really be holding acurate database.

but you can still award 1 medal to one of them. but clan mods can refuse it because where is the proof that anything is actually being done by the individual player.


where as you have clan mods idea.

clan b
play 4 wars all 40 game wars win 110 games also winning 3 wars. mods contact after every win asking for mvp. so who do you nominate
the person who runs the training games (they are winning the games)
the person who researches into the the other clan. (they are doing this properly)
the person running off site database of games.(do have a accurate database
the person who wins all there games.

now because you won 3 wars it shows the nominations are doing there job properly. so in that 1 year time period 3 players that are actually doing hard work for the clan get rewarded.(because you can see the results/improvements in the wars) rather than a medal going to a clan that are not improving and not winning anything.

this is what i am meaning chapchap take what jefjef wants to award to a set player for and add it to the idea of the winning clan getting a award for mvp player. it would work a lot better because then clan mods can actually see the clan is progressing admin can see the extra medals are not being handed out for nothing.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby chapcrap on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:13 pm

eddie, if Clan A doesn't deserve a medal, then that's fine. If you don't like jefjef's idea, then that's fine, but you still haven't given a reason to merge them.

And it sounds like you think the CDs are going to give out a War MVP for things like training games. I don't think that is the case. I think that will be based on wins and play within the war alone. cheme, can you comment on the scope of your plan?

CD idea is to give a medal per war based on war play.

jefjef's idea is to give medal per year based on clan work, wins are not a factor. I think that in your scenario where the clan sucks, that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of work that goes into the clan. New clans may not win a lot, but that happens with new partners and players who are learning team games. That doesn't mean a lot of important work isn't done.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby jefjef on Mon Oct 10, 2011 7:15 pm

eddie.

chemefreak wrote:Soon we will be issuing MVP awards for clan wars. I believe that this is starting for any clan war that began after July 1, 2011. We are still nailing down the exact "science" of the award, but to be honest, it is pretty easy to see who the MVP for each clan was once you review the numbers.



A: You are misrepresenting things. The CD's are not looking for leader input in re of this. The war MVP award is solely performance based.

B. Even if a clan has zero war wins it still takes work some behind the scenes work to run the clan and actively fight wars.

as for:
the person who runs the training games (they are not winning the games)
the person who researches into the the other clan. (cant be doing this properly)
the person running off site database of games.(can't really be holding acurate database.


These are some of the reasons, win or lose, for this award. For you, as a leader, to thank someone for their extra effort...

Now please stop mucking up this sugg. You've had your say.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby jgordon1111 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 10:51 pm

My minister of war would most likely be the one to get this medal if it passes,for the sole reason that he is the one who sets up our clan war games from A-Z, he puts in more time for the clan than anyone else. In our clan it's a majority vote on all things. and the clan would most likely be 100% yes on him getting it. That is an award for clan work,not winning wars.So if you would please quit trying to confuse the issue or twisting it around to something else,the MAJORITY of us would really appreciate it.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby tkr4lf on Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:25 am

eddie2 wrote:well would it not be better pushing for the special award chemefreak was talking about earlier. you are talking about 1 award per year for your most valid player. chemefreak and clan mods are at present discussing 1 award per winning clan for most valid player so in real theory what this sug is doing is changing what clan mods are already discussing . AKA as a clan at present have a few valuble players who do extra work for the clan.

aka members are as follows.
far2ezee= has created a off site database for clan info and keeps it up to date.
razorvich+ dorsettrob+far2ezee= helped loads during my recient 1 month forum ban
wille e cyote= runs all our training games.
enormantitz wilkinc aligator_al studster9143 proberly 4 of the clans strongest players who are always checking games and making sure the clan comunicate in game.

now we look at the 2 things being discussed.
jefjefs sug
to award all these players a medal it would take 8 years.
clan mods ideas.
this would take 8 war wins which is about correct.

think of it if you are playing loads of wars but never winning you cant really say you have a player worthy of a special award for contribution. because if you not winning there not doing it correct. I am still for this sug but think it would be better putting it together with what clan mods are all ready discussing.

You're clearly not getting the point.

Jefjef's sugg is for NON-CLANWAR WINS contributions. Stuff like what you described above. The medal being discussed by the clan leaders is for MVP of a clanwar. Meaning the person who played best in the war. I'm not sure if it's just one person, or one person from each team, but it has nothing to do with this suggestion. They are two completely different things, and this particular sugg has a great value all it's own.

Please, just stop. You clearly don't get it and you probably wont.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby greenoaks on Tue Oct 11, 2011 12:53 am

it is not necessary for the recipient of this medal to actually play any war games all year.

there are 3 types of awards.

1. Game Achievements such as Freestyle or Speed

2. Community Achievements such as Tournament Achievement (wins) and Clan Achievement (war wins)

3. Community Contributions such as Tournament Contribution (hosting) and General Contributions to various sections of this site (i have one for "Contributed significantly to the discussions in the Suggestions Forum")

this award would be similar to my General Contribution award, perhaps called Clan Contribution and sit in the 3rd group
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby jefjef on Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:07 am

it is not necessary for the recipient of this medal to actually play any war games all year.


Yes it would be necessary for the recipient to be an active player and active in the clan and a member for at least a year. Why in the world would a non active player deserve any recognition.

FYI: If KOA were allowed to grant this award today it would go to IcePack. He was a major factor in forming and recruiting. He has performed Minister of War duties. He had been my map rank guy. He is managing an important thread in our forum. He also has been a positive influence and a friendly representative of KOA.

We have several members that also contribute their valuable time and talents but I don't think anyone could really argue against IcePacks clan contributions. Now if I were to give the award to, lets say bruinMBA (who is not active), just because he is a good long time CC pal of mine I'm sure all of KOA would tell me to f-off and ram it. Especially those that do contribute. The moral of the story is that the award should not be handed out lightly or unjustly and only to an active contributing member.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby chapcrap on Tue Oct 11, 2011 1:21 am

jefjef wrote:
it is not necessary for the recipient of this medal to actually play any war games all year.


Yes it would be necessary for the recipient to be an active player and active in the clan and a member for at least a year. Why in the world would a non active player deserve any recognition.

FYI: If KOA were allowed to grant this award today it would go to IcePack. He was a major factor in forming and recruiting. He has performed Minister of War duties. He had been my map rank guy. He is managing an important thread in our forum. He also has been a positive influence and a friendly representative of KOA.

We have several members that also contribute their valuable time and talents but I don't think anyone could really argue against IcePacks clan contributions. Now if I were to give the award to, lets say bruinMBA (who is not active), just because he is a good long time CC pal of mine I'm sure all of KOA would tell me to f-off and ram it. Especially those that do contribute. The moral of the story is that the award should not be handed out lightly or unjustly and only to an active contributing member.

I might tell you to f-off and ram it anyway, but that doesn't have anything to do with this thread. ;)
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby eddie2 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:38 am

well ok fair be it and jefjef icepack is the only one you can actually prove he is doing a valid job in running wars. the other ones if you are not winning any wars you can not say you have a mvp apart from a player running a thread or 2. lets look at you op

It would be great for leaders to be able to recognize a member for improvements/overall performance/managing wars/training/attitude/assisting/stats keeping - for whatever reason each clans leaders would decide.


things in blue are things you can prove. but would also come under what chemefrank is talking about in a war mvp medal.

things in red if you are not winning wars then they cannot really be putting time and effort into it. it is all good but if admin allow what clan directors are discussing then they are not going to allow the issueing of another medal when they have already had one for this. now jefjef you quoted what chemefreak said.
chemefreak wrote:Soon we will be issuing MVP awards for clan wars. I believe that this is starting for any clan war that began after July 1, 2011. We are still nailing down the exact "science" of the award, but to be honest, it is pretty easy to see who the MVP for each clan was once you review the numbers.


so this in red they are still discussing it . So things like what i put in red from your op could actually come into this medal. because if you are winning wars then you can prove your clan members are actually putting some effort into what they are doing.

but keep it as it is like i said i am not opposed to it. I just feel that admin won't allow the awarding of a medal for the same thing 2 times or for something that cannot be proven(in your clans performance.)
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby QoH on Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:53 am

Do you not get it Eddie? This is NOT an mvp award. This is a CONTRIBUTION award. Just cause you don't win doesn't mean you don't contribute in enormous was in the clan. Look at TNC. When I was with them, they challenged a ton of high ranked clamer right from the start (i think). Do you expect them to win any off those? No. Bit can you deny that somone wasn't putting in hours of work wroth of recognition? Obviously somone has. They'd deserve it, regardless of whether they were winning.

Again, you shouldn't have to win to get this medal.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

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QoH wrote:Do you not get it Eddie? This is NOT an mvp award. This is a CONTRIBUTION award. Just cause you don't win doesn't mean you don't contribute in enormous was in the clan. Look at TNC. When I was with them, they challenged a ton of high ranked clamer right from the start (i think). Do you expect them to win any off those? No. Bit can you deny that somone wasn't putting in hours of work wroth of recognition? Obviously somone has. They'd deserve it, regardless of whether they were winning.

Again, you shouldn't have to win to get this medal.


yes i do get that Qoh but the problem being how do you prove they have done what you are saying. at present the only mods that have the ability to issue special medals is department heads. and they are not allowed to hand them out left right and centre. sorry but if a clan cannot win any for of challenge then they do not have 1 single player doing the extra work apart from the person that is running the thread or creating the games. But this will be covered in clan mods new medal .
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby jefjef on Tue Oct 11, 2011 2:13 pm

eddie2 wrote:
QoH wrote:Do you not get it Eddie? This is NOT an mvp award. This is a CONTRIBUTION award. Just cause you don't win doesn't mean you don't contribute in enormous was in the clan. Look at TNC. When I was with them, they challenged a ton of high ranked clamer right from the start (i think). Do you expect them to win any off those? No. Bit can you deny that somone wasn't putting in hours of work wroth of recognition? Obviously somone has. They'd deserve it, regardless of whether they were winning.

Again, you shouldn't have to win to get this medal.


yes i do get that Qoh but the problem being how do you prove they have done what you are saying. at present the only mods that have the ability to issue special medals is department heads. and they are not allowed to hand them out left right and centre. sorry but if a clan cannot win any for of challenge then they do not have 1 single player doing the extra work apart from the person that is running the thread or creating the games. But this will be covered in clan mods new medal .


The whole idea of this 1 medal per year is a discretionary medal that leaders award to a member they feel is very deserving of it for their contributions to the clan. The proving of it is the fact that the clan was active. The other proving of it is that other members don't go up in arms against leaders that might unjustly award this. To insinuate that if a clan fails to win a war that no one is doing any above and beyond work is ludicrous.

You have had your say and your attempt to derail this. Please step away.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby eddie2 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 3:55 pm

i am not derailing this jefjef plz read the tourney section if i have a co runner of a tourney he is not sure to get a medal.
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this sug you are saying they have to go by the word of a leader that a member has done some work for the clan. if they are not winning tourneys then people cant be researching other clans cant be training in games. the proof is on site in other sections admin will not allow any form of medal issueing without proof of extra work. my posts have been surronding this data from tourney section (don't dare say clans are different to tourney rules. because cla have been stating they are ever since we started using privs.) so either provide some form of way to prove a player deserves it. or watch your sug just get lost in many other brill sugs that et looked over.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby Bones2484 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 4:39 pm

eddie2 wrote:don't dare say clans are different to tourney rules. because cla have been stating they are ever since we started using privs


Just when I thought your whole argument could be even more wrong, you go ahead and prove me wrong. if you bothered to read ANYTHING Jpcloet and Night Strike have ever said during your short stays in the CLA you would realize how horribly incorrect this statement is.

Eddie, just stop. You are trolling this thread and embarrassing yourself yet again.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby jefjef on Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:26 pm

this sug you are saying they have to go by the word of a leader that a member has done some work for the clan.


What do you not get??????

This sugg is for a discretionary medal to be awarded to a member chosen by leaders to show thanks for that members contribution. Win or lose.

Your comment "they are not winning tourneys then people cant be researching other clans cant be training in games". is bs. You can train and research and play a perfect game and still lose. Ever hear of dice? Now please cease.

Hey mets I believe the validity of this sugg and the overwhelming support of it has earned this sugg the right to go to submission.
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Re: Special Clan member achievement award.

Postby MegasWoman on Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:08 pm

Eddie...you've been told to stay away from JJ and you've also been asked several times to stop posting in this thread. If you'd like your own thread go create one. This medal has absolutely nothing to do with tourneys...now go away.
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