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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby QoH on Thu Oct 13, 2011 7:15 am

eddie2 wrote:thank you jeraado someone that is willing to actually discuss things. so mvp award from what i have been told could also include the players that do any form of work for a clan that helps them with winning the wars. if the mvp award does bring these in then this sug wont go anywhere because i cannot see admin allowing a medal to be issued 2 times.


You still don't get it, do you Eddie? The mvp is going to be for most wins in a clan war. People who contribute in other ways besides playing games to help them win a war won't get the mvp: they get the contribution medal, whether they win the war or not.
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby chapcrap on Thu Oct 13, 2011 10:25 am

eddie, I have been willing to discuss with you this whole time, you just haven't been making any kind of good point until you caught so much flack from everyone that you decided to back off of your proposition to merge this with the Clan War MVP.

QoH is right, the MVP award will be given at the CDs discretion based almost solely on gameplay within the war, not based on training, recruiting, and homework on opposing clans.

If you award clan leader positions to those who help out and there is a limit of 4, what happens if you have more than 4 people doing a lot of work? Helping the clan out a lot? I don't really think that a clan needs that many 'leaders'. I for one, help out as much as I can and it was never with the hopes of usurping my leaders. You can't just keep adding leaders for those who are helping. This medal would encourage everyone to help. Just because you think that someone who is helpful to the clan should be promoted to a leadership position, does not mean that's how other clans feel and that is not the status quo for all clans.

You are changing your stance to say that the suggestion is good and now only needs fine tuned. Before you were trying a merger/overhaul of the idea. I'm happy that you changed your stance, but you still aren't helping fine tune anything either. You are only listing a bunch of things that you perceive are needed. Everyone who has posted support, would still support this. There was almost unanimous support and the fact that the parameters of the medal have changed slightly (the changes have made more people and clans qualify) would not change whether or not people supported the idea.

And suggestions do not NEED unanimous support as you are trying to make it seem.
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby eddie2 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 11:35 am

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QoH is right, the MVP award will be given at the CDs discretion based almost solely on gameplay within the war, not based on training, recruiting, and homework on opposing clans.


did chemefreak actually say that the mvp award will be based solely on game play no he did not this is what he said.

Soon we will be issuing MVP awards for clan wars. I believe that this is starting for any clan war that began after July 1, 2011. We are still nailing down the exact "science" of the award,


have any of you even bothered asking a clan director what the exact science would be for the issueing of the award. I will say no you have not. because if you had you would know what i know. and would see i was only hel;ping jefjef get part of his sug approved.
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby chapcrap on Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:37 pm

eddie2 wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
QoH is right, the MVP award will be given at the CDs discretion based almost solely on gameplay within the war, not based on training, recruiting, and homework on opposing clans.


did chemefreak actually say that the mvp award will be based solely on game play no he did not this is what he said.

Soon we will be issuing MVP awards for clan wars. I believe that this is starting for any clan war that began after July 1, 2011. We are still nailing down the exact "science" of the award,


have any of you even bothered asking a clan director what the exact science would be for the issueing of the award. I will say no you have not. because if you had you would know what i know. and would see i was only hel;ping jefjef get part of his sug approved.

If it's going to be a "science" and the CDs are awarding based on what they see, then how do expect them to incorporate anything other than gameplay? How will they know about training and recruiting and everything behind the scenes? They won't know! Because it's behind the scenes!

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Even if they did know, there would be no science in using that information because it is subjective, not objective. So, unless cheme misspoke, you can infer that it is only based on gameplay.
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby eddie2 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:43 pm

chapcrap wrote: you can infer that it is only based on gameplay.


like i said previously maybe ask a clan director to clarify the info behind the mvp award.
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Re: Special Clan contribution award.

Postby jefjef on Thu Oct 13, 2011 12:55 pm

Post from page 5 in it's FULL context.

chemefreak wrote:This is fun! I was thinking that at the end of each year the CDs could pm the leaders of certain clans (perhaps clans that have been "around" for the entire year) and ask them who their award should go to. Then the clans themselves can determine by voting or whatever who in their clan gets the medal. Just a thought.

Issuing medals is not too difficult. I am going to issue one right now to jefjef for this idea ;)

Soon we will be issuing MVP awards for clan wars. I believe that this is starting for any clan war that began after July 1, 2011. We are still nailing down the exact "science" of the award, but to be honest, it is pretty easy to see who the MVP for each clan was once you review the numbers. Every now and then there will be a tough call, but it should be an interesting exercise, none the less.

As far as the theory that this would take medal issuing out of CC's control, I'm not sure that is exactly true. Now, at this point, Masli may say that this is not going to happen or perhaps even admin will step and say we can't issue medals for this purpose. But I think it is a nice way to reward certain members of our clans that may not get all the wins, etc. Also, as indicated previously, I would be happy to head the operation on behalf of the CDs should this get implemented.

I have put a link to this thread in the CD forum and will see if it can gain any traction.
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby eddie2 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:14 pm

once again instead of quoting a full post why not ask a clan director what this part means.
We are still nailing down the exact "science" of the award,


have a think a minite if what i was saying about the mvp award being issued for any of the reasons put in this thread do you not think a clan director would of stepped in already and said it was not going to be. (i am 100 percent sure they would off.) like i said i am 99.99 percen that the mvp award after a clan winning a war can be awarded to players who done work behind the scenes to help with the win (including database runners, players that train the clan, and other things that made the win possible.) but like i said and by the last 2 posts made none of you have actually contacted a clan director via pm to find out all the info surronding the mvp award.
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby Bones2484 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 3:39 pm

eddie2 wrote:like i said i am 99.99 percen that the mvp award after a clan winning a war can be awarded to players who done work behind the scenes to help with the win (including database runners, players that train the clan, and other things that made the win possible.)


And I am 99.99% sure that you are wrong. They quote that you keep taking out of context goes on to say "it is pretty easy to see who the MVP for each clan was once you review the numbers". This means it's based off win/loss numbers, not people who did work behind the scenes. Not only that, but Cheme goes on to say that jef's idea "is a nice way to reward certain members of our clans that may not get all the wins" FURTHER implying that the MVP award is based off win/loss records in some fashion.

How many times do you have to be asked to leave this thread alone since you clearly do not have a clue?
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby chemefreak on Thu Oct 13, 2011 5:49 pm

Dear God! The proposed MVP award that I pitched to Masli is simply that a clan that has been around for a required minimum amount of time (a year perhaps?) would be contacted by the CDs in, say, December of each year, and then that clan could choose its MVP based on whatever criteria it wants. Then the CDs could award the medal. Also, as I stated previously, this will be an uphill battle with admin that I am not sure Masli would ever want to fight. I do think it is a good and fun idea, but the simpler we keep it the better. We are already starting the process of awarding MVP awards for clan wars to each clan. That process seems to be pretty simple as it is usually pretty clear who the best player (in terms of win/loss, number of games, array of games, etc.) is from a certain war.

Anyway, the idea is in the system and we will just have to wait and see what happens. As you all know, I am but a secretary in the clan world with no real authority ;) Good lively discussion here, though.

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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby Bones2484 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:02 pm

chemefreak wrote:Dear God! The proposed MVP award that I pitched to Masli is simply that a clan that has been around for a required minimum amount of time (a year perhaps?) would be contacted by the CDs in, say, December of each year, and then that clan could choose its MVP based on whatever criteria it wants. Then the CDs could award the medal. Also, as I stated previously, this will be an uphill battle with admin that I am not sure Masli would ever want to fight. I do think it is a good and fun idea, but the simpler we keep it the better. We are already starting the process of awarding MVP awards for clan wars to each clan. That process seems to be pretty simple as it is usually pretty clear who the best player (in terms of win/loss, number of games, array of games, etc.) is from a certain war.

Anyway, the idea is in the system and we will just have to wait and see what happens. As you all know, I am but a secretary in the clan world with no real authority ;) Good lively discussion here, though.

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So you have an "MVP Award" and a "Clan War MVP Award". Guess I'm confused, but from the sounds of what you said you're talking two separate awards?
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby chemefreak on Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:19 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
chemefreak wrote:Dear God! The proposed MVP award that I pitched to Masli is simply that a clan that has been around for a required minimum amount of time (a year perhaps?) would be contacted by the CDs in, say, December of each year, and then that clan could choose its MVP based on whatever criteria it wants. Then the CDs could award the medal. Also, as I stated previously, this will be an uphill battle with admin that I am not sure Masli would ever want to fight. I do think it is a good and fun idea, but the simpler we keep it the better. We are already starting the process of awarding MVP awards for clan wars to each clan. That process seems to be pretty simple as it is usually pretty clear who the best player (in terms of win/loss, number of games, array of games, etc.) is from a certain war.

Anyway, the idea is in the system and we will just have to wait and see what happens. As you all know, I am but a secretary in the clan world with no real authority ;) Good lively discussion here, though.

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So you have an "MVP Award" and a "Clan War MVP Award". Guess I'm confused, but from the sounds of what you said you're talking two separate awards?


The Clan War MVP Awards have already been authorized by admin. We should start issuing those in the near future. The Clan MVP Award that jefjef has proposed would actually be a yearly award given out by each clan to a member of their clan. Again, it is up to Masli to determine how far we go with that idea.
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby Bones2484 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 6:21 pm

chemefreak wrote:The Clan War MVP Awards have already been authorized by admin. We should start issuing those in the near future. The Clan MVP Award that jefjef has proposed would actually be a yearly award given out by each clan to a member of their clan. Again, it is up to Masli to determine how far we go with that idea.


Awesome, thank you for the info. I think it's great what both your team and Jef are putting in for clans. Good work!
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby chapcrap on Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:37 pm

eddie2 wrote:
chapcrap wrote: you can infer that it is only based on gameplay.


like i said previously maybe ask a clan director to clarify the info behind the mvp award.

I did a couple of posts ago. It was on page 12, see:
chapcrap wrote:eddie, if Clan A doesn't deserve a medal, then that's fine. If you don't like jefjef's idea, then that's fine, but you still haven't given a reason to merge them.

And it sounds like you think the CDs are going to give out a War MVP for things like training games. I don't think that is the case. I think that will be based on wins and play within the war alone. cheme, can you comment on the scope of your plan?

CD idea is to give a medal per war based on war play.

jefjef's idea is to give medal per year based on clan work, wins are not a factor. I think that in your scenario where the clan sucks, that doesn't mean there isn't a lot of work that goes into the clan. New clans may not win a lot, but that happens with new partners and players who are learning team games. That doesn't mean a lot of important work isn't done.

And people have been saying this the whole time and cheme commented and never argued with it. Now that he has responded (thanks cheme!), you can see that he said it has to do with gameplay. Just like I've been saying all along.
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby jefjef on Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:53 pm

chemefreak wrote:The Clan War MVP Awards have already been authorized by admin. We should start issuing those in the near future. The Clan Contribution Award that jefjef has proposed would actually be a yearly award given out by each clan to a member of their clan. Again, it is up to Masli to determine how far we go with that idea.


Thanks for your input again cheme! To avoid confusion lets stick with calling this sugg the Clan Contribution Award (not mvp). :)
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Re: Special Clan member contribution achievement award.

Postby jgordon1111 on Thu Oct 13, 2011 8:54 pm

Thank you chem for finally clarifying this point so eddie can quit arguing it with everyone who read and understood you from the beginning.
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