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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby shanksdigs on Sat Feb 14, 2009 3:43 am

OMG, great idea and great functionality of the zombies. Only suggestion against your functions is the alphabetical choice" attack. This might make players come back to choose names like "zzzzzJim" so they are least likely to get attacked by the zombie.

Most important is the fact that players use the neutrals as defense. Your idea that a neutral would be an active attacker is truly wonderful! I hope this gets implemented!
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby yeti_c on Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:46 pm

Spongity spong spong.

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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby cicero on Sun Mar 22, 2009 3:59 pm

yeti_c wrote:Spongity spong spong.
Yes, I think we've got time to make up a language for infected neutrals to speak whilst we wait for this to be implemented.

Oh and no empty bumping ! [-X
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby cicero on Sun Mar 22, 2009 4:01 pm

shanksdigs wrote:OMG, great idea and great functionality of the zombies.
We love it too.

shanksdigs wrote:Only suggestion against your functions is the alphabetical choice" attack. This might make players come back to choose names like "zzzzzJim" so they are least likely to get attacked by the zombie.
Don't worry this was never actually the idea; it was that the Infected Neutrals choose alphabetically by Territory Name but this has been superceded. See the FINAL PROPOSAL on page 22 for details.

shanksdigs wrote:Most important is the fact that players use the neutrals as defense. Your idea that a neutral would be an active attacker is truly wonderful! I hope this gets implemented!
I hope so too.
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby yeti_c on Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:20 pm

This change would make CC unique.

At the moment CC is still only just a risk World Domination clone website.

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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby vrex on Sun May 10, 2009 7:49 pm

Ahh... how long has it been since i visited i wonder... yet this suggestion is still on the 'to-do' list and has not yet been implemented. I think i will play CC again when the infected neutrals are here. :p
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby skaterchild3 on Sun May 10, 2009 9:50 pm

I just realized how great this would make Indochina or doodle earth.
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby phantomzero on Mon Jul 13, 2009 8:12 pm

This would be fun... I guess I should quit holding my breath...
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby andy_is_awesome on Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:18 am

I like the alphabetical zombie attacks, but I don't think that should be the only zombie setting.

What if your territory losses 1 army for every neutral territory it borders.
-If you border 3 neutrals, you lose 3 troops at the end of the round.
-If you border 1 neutral , you lose 1 troop at the end of the round.

Again, I love the alphabetical zombie attacks, but I think we can add other zombie settings that would be fun too.
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby paulk on Mon Sep 21, 2009 6:26 pm

As a big zombie fan (I even have a book about zombie behavior) I have some suggestions.
I have not read through all 30 pages of chatter, so maybe someone else already suggested some of it, but what the hell... :)

*) Zombies are stupid. Therefore, if there is no activity in a territory, they should not understand that there is "food" there in that territory, hence no attacks would occur. With activity means deploys, attacks, movements, reinforcements etc. - called "noice" below.

*) Zombies are attracted by noise. Therefore, since they go last, where the round have had the most kills would be where they would be interested to attack/move towards. The more noise the more number of attracted zombies moving from territories not directly adjacent.
An illustrating example: If in one turn 3 territories has been attacked, where respectively 10, 20 and 30 troops has died (combined losses from both sides), the zombie army would (if unlimited) move 3, 6 and 9 armies (if possible) towards those territories from territories (in each case) randomly within 2, 3 and 4 steps away

*) Zombies have a keen smell. If too many zombies start to flock in an area (5 or more), and there is a non active target next to it that hasn't moved for 3 turns, eventually a zombie will get a sniff and they will attack.

*) Zombies are dead troops. Therefore the number of zombies per turn could be based on the number of armies killed each turn (divided with 3 for example), although I think it is better to just keep it capped at that the zombie army get territory troops (1 per 3 territories).

*) Zombies are dead troops. They could therefore be deployed closest to where attacks have occurred, divided on number of dead troops if there are several attacks that has occurred.
An illustrating example: If in one turn 3 territories has been attacked, where respectively 3, 6 and 9 troops has died (combined losses from both sides), and the zombie army has 6 armies to deploy, they would deploy 1, 2 and 3 armies to the territories that they had closest.

*) Zombies are slooooooow. They are dead remember? Therefore, they should only be able to "walk" 1 step at a time (reinforcements).

*) They are zombies. Therefore, they don't stop attacking because they are down to 3. They keep going until they can't move any longer. They should at the most stop attacking at 2. (Then they get easier to kill too.)

*) If they succeed with an attack there should be a 50% chance that they keep attacking adjacent territories. This also mean that they will randomly attack (until dead or succeeded) 1 out of 2 adjacent territories, and 1 or 2 out of 3 adjacent territories, and 2 out of 4 adjacent territories and so on.

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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby Industrial Helix on Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:10 pm

Are we ever going to see this implemented?
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby yeti_c on Fri Jan 29, 2010 2:26 pm

Doubt it.

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Postby Sir. Ricco on Fri Jan 29, 2010 8:02 pm

Industrial Helix wrote:Are we ever going to see this implemented?

It's so sad. This is such a great idea. :cry:
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby Aalmeida17 on Sat Jan 30, 2010 10:22 am

nice idea ;)
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Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby CreepersWiener on Tue Feb 16, 2010 9:51 pm

Concise description:
  • New Gaming Option: ZOMBIE

Specifics:
  • The Zombie Neutral Gaming Option would work as follows:

    *1. All Neutral armies are considered Zombies and start the game out with the normal value of 3

    *2. At the end of the gaming round, each Neutral territory that has not been defeated will receive a randomly regenerative maximum value. (This value is not yet determined, but as an example let us use the values of 3,4,5,6, and 7. Of course, depending on test play, if these numbers seem to be not great enough or too great, they can be increased or decreased in value)

    *3. Any territory that becomes a neutral, is considered a zombie. This can be from either Bombarding, Nuclear spoils, and deadbeat players (of which all deadbeat player values drop to the value of 1). All newly created zombie territories will gain a regenerative maximum value as determined by bullet 2 (stated above).

    *4. At the end of the gaming round, each Neutral Zombie territory will gain +1 regeneration until that particular territory reaches the maximum regenerative value as determined in bullet 2.

    *5. At the end of the gaming round, any player territories that are adjacent to any Zombie territory will lose -1 troops. If the number of troops of such player is value 1, then that territory becomes a Zombie Neutral value of 1and resets that territory to a zombie regenerative maximum as mentioned in bullet 2.

    *6. Depending on which board and spoils are used, it is possible to defeat all zombies from the board, however, for the full zombie effect, I would recommend Nuke spoils or/and boards that contain a bombardment feature.

    *7. It is quite possible that a player may win, when a Zombie kills off another remaining player.

    *8. Zombies play automatically at the end of the gaming round, after the last player is finished. (Not sure how this would work with Freestyle?)

This will improve the following aspects of the site:
  • This will be a fresh new way to play games on Conquer Club
  • Players will no longer be able to hide behind massive neutral armies, they will be forced to either fight them or run away.
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Re: Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby The Neon Peon on Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:37 pm

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Re: Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby CreepersWiener on Tue Feb 16, 2010 10:51 pm

Squeaky wheels... :D
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Re: Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby Queen_Herpes on Wed Feb 17, 2010 3:27 pm

It is comical to me that players vote against new options. Right now, the vote is 3 for and 3 against. if you're against it...it really shouldn't affect you. It will be a game OPTION, so you don't have to play it this way if you don't want to. I'd love to hear from someone who doesn't want this as to a reason that it shouldn't be implemented as it wouldn't be de riguer in all games.
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Re: Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby CreepersWiener on Wed Feb 17, 2010 8:03 pm

Queen_Herpes wrote:It is comical to me that players vote against new options. Right now, the vote is 3 for and 3 against. if you're against it...it really shouldn't affect you. It will be a game OPTION, so you don't have to play it this way if you don't want to. I'd love to hear from someone who doesn't want this as to a reason that it shouldn't be implemented as it wouldn't be de riguer in all games.


I agree, if there is someone really against the option, they should post their concerns and difficulties that they foresee. I mean, are there programming issues? Are there conflicts with certain boards? I mean if you wanted to play with neutral zombies, but not that many of them, you could choose a board like Classic or Europe...but if you wanted to battle a lot of Zombies during your game, you would choose boards like Waterloo or Pearl Harbor and/or play Nuclear spoils. A board where I see problems is with Treasures of Galapagos...If all those neutrals become Zombies...it might really suck! But...HEY...You chose the freakin' map! Just like with other options...you might not have as much fun with FoW on Classic as you would on Siege...so it becomes a matter of experimentation and personal preference.

(Also, I played CircVs MaximVs with No Spoils once...that was the last time I did it! It really sucked and went on forever!)
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Re: Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby 837204563 on Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:45 pm

I'm against it because it doesn't make the game better and implementing it would take time and resources that could be better spent on something else.
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Re: Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby CreepersWiener on Wed Feb 17, 2010 9:57 pm

837204563 wrote:I'm against it because it doesn't make the game better and implementing it would take time and resources that could be better spent on something else.


Time? Like, actual linear time...or like theoretical quantum physics time?

And how doesn't it make the game better? I mean I don't think it has ever been mentioned on making the game better, but only offering another gaming option to Conquer Club...which is a good thing? Right? To make the "game better" would mean that you don't think the game is "better" already.

This option would let Neutrals armies able to attack players. PLAYERS WOULD NOT BE ALLOWED THE LUXURY OF HIDING BEHIND NEUTRAL ARMIES!

If that isn't at least helping make some people's understanding of making a game better...then I guess I can't help you.


I really hope you understand the mechanics behind this particular philosophy.

Zombie neutrals should be considered as a viable gaming option as FoW.
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Re: Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby 837204563 on Wed Feb 17, 2010 11:01 pm

What zombie neutrals amount to is a very stupid computer player controlling the neutral armies. The only way this could make the game better is if you a) thought there weren't enough players in eight player games, in which case you simply should ask for that or b) think adding a bad player makes for a better game, in which case you should simply invite some bad players into your games.
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Re: Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby CreepersWiener on Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:03 am

837204563 wrote:What zombie neutrals amount to is a very stupid computer player controlling the neutral armies.
What?
837204563 wrote:The only way this could make the game better is if you a) thought there weren't enough players in eight player games, in which case you simply should ask for that or b) think adding a bad player makes for a better game, in which case you should simply invite some bad players into your games.
Sorry...but I have to add...Doulbe WTF?!?!?! :shock: Maybe too drunk right now...but, what are you trying to really convey?
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Re: Zombie Neutrals Gaming Option

Postby 837204563 on Thu Feb 18, 2010 12:28 am

Yeah, it's probably a good idea to come back to this when you are less drunk.
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Re: infected neutrals - FINAL PROPOSAL: page 22 [To-Do]

Postby 00iCon on Mon Mar 08, 2010 3:30 am

paulk wrote:*) Zombies are dead troops. Therefore the number of zombies per turn could be based on the number of armies killed each turn (divided with 3 for example), although I think it is better to just keep it capped at that the zombie army get territory troops (1 per 3 territories).

OMG YES!
I'd love to see zombies when playing Hive.
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