[GP/UI] infected neutrals

[yeti_c]

also... i dont know about zombies actively trying to break countries,
this doesn't sound very zombie like. consider the situation where you are the
only player who holds a country next to zombies. The zombies attack you,
to break this country, and not the other players, allowing them to mass
troops right next to the zombies without fear of being attacked, because they
know the zombies will try to break your country. In this situacion, it is a
disadvantage to hold the country. Holding a country shouldn't put one at a
disadvantage like this.

Well in that case - you should not take the continent - and wait for the zombies to annihilate the opposition...

Strategy you see!!

C.

[PLAYER57832]

Just to weigh in -- sounds like a great idea!

[wcaclimbing]

also... i dont know about zombies actively trying to break countries,
this doesn't sound very zombie like. consider the situation where you are the
only player who holds a country next to zombies. The zombies attack you,
to break this country, and not the other players, allowing them to mass
troops right next to the zombies without fear of being attacked, because they
know the zombies will try to break your country. In this situacion, it is a
disadvantage to hold the country. Holding a country shouldn't put one at a
disadvantage like this.

Am I assuming correctly when i say when you said country you meant continent?

Having the Zombies break the closest availible continent is the only abuse-free way to do it. Because if they were set to attack the highest number of armies, if there was a zombie on Siam on Classic map, whoever owns australia could just put a 1 on indonesia and be safe from the zombie attack.

I think the system Yeti_c posted earlier would be the best, most reliable system to make the zombies fair.

Cause remember, in the situation you explained, as soon as the zombies broke the continent, they would revert back to attacking the biggest army, so stocking all of your armies next to a zombie could still backfire against you.

[4V4T4R]

yes it could backfire, but my point is that what if the zombies can't break the continent?
you continue to hold it, and the zombies continue to only attack you, making them virtually worthless

[yeti_c]

yes it could backfire, but my point is that what if the zombies can't break the continent?
you continue to hold it, and the zombies continue to only attack you, making them virtually worthless

If you continue to hold it - then you drop your men and blast the zombies out the way...

C.

[4V4T4R]

another thought, how would zombies be handled on territories with troop adjustments?
for example, suppose zombies occupied a territory in the dust bowl.
At the beginning of each round, they would loose a troop, then they would gain a troop, and then
never be able to attack.
So perhaps zombies should not be affected by troop adjustments.

[wcaclimbing]

another thought, how would zombies be handled on territories with troop adjustments?
for example, suppose zombies occupied a territory in the dust bowl.
At the beginning of each round, they would loose a troop, then they would gain a troop, and then
never be able to attack.
So perhaps zombies should not be affected by troop adjustments.

Yeah.
Since they can't get armies from positive bonuses on the map, it would make sense that they also cant lose armies to negative bonuses.

[wrightfan123]

another thought, how would zombies be handled on territories with troop adjustments?
for example, suppose zombies occupied a territory in the dust bowl.
At the beginning of each round, they would loose a troop, then they would gain a troop, and then
never be able to attack.
So perhaps zombies should not be affected by troop adjustments.

This would make the most sense. I'm kinda a zombie nut, and I know that zombies are not affected by weather the way we humans are. So it would make sense that in maps like Dustbowl, they aren't affected by weather. But wcaclimbling has a good point; if they can't get positive bonuses, they shouldn't get negative ones either.

And a quick, kinda-relative question: what's the current situation with neutrals owning Dustbowl territories? Do they still lose an army?

[wcaclimbing]

And a quick, kinda-relative question: what's the current situation with neutrals owning Dustbowl territories? Do they still lose an army?

I bet they dont lose any, because the neutrals on AoR Magic dont lose anything, so i doubt it would be any different for Dust Bowl.

[lozzini]

i love this idea... but what happens when neutral armies occur by bombardment.. do they become zombie?

[yeti_c]

i love this idea... but what happens when neutral armies occur by bombardment.. do they become zombie?

That is an awesome point... you can create zombie armies elsewhere by bombardment...

That would be wicked in Waterloo - sneak in - steal an artillery and bombard some troops into neutral - then the zombie armies will eat out the opponent from within!!!

C.

[DiM]

i love this idea... but what happens when neutral armies occur by bombardment.. do they become zombie?

That is an awesome point... you can create zombie armies elsewhere by bombardment...

That would be wicked in Waterloo - sneak in - steal an artillery and bombard some troops into neutral - then the zombie armies will eat out the opponent from within!!!

C.

actually they won't bombardment leaves 1 neutral it would be 3 turns before the neutrals start attacking and in that time you can retake the terit easily.

[wrightfan123]

i love this idea... but what happens when neutral armies occur by bombardment.. do they become zombie?

That is an awesome point... you can create zombie armies elsewhere by bombardment...

That would be wicked in Waterloo - sneak in - steal an artillery and bombard some troops into neutral - then the zombie armies will eat out the opponent from within!!!

C.

actually they won't bombardment leaves 1 neutral it would be 3 turns before the neutrals start attacking and in that time you can retake the terit easily.

Not if it's some idiotic cook who doesn't realize it

[richardgarr]

This idea is fantastic, and I for one would love a chance to start playing it as soon as possible.

Is it on the "to-do" list yet???

[Stoney229]

also... i dont know about zombies actively trying to break countries,
this doesn't sound very zombie like. consider the situation where you are the
only player who holds a country next to zombies. The zombies attack you,
to break this country, and not the other players, allowing them to mass
troops right next to the zombies without fear of being attacked, because they
know the zombies will try to break your country. In this situacion, it is a
disadvantage to hold the country. Holding a country shouldn't put one at a
disadvantage like this.

Am I assuming correctly when i say when you said country you meant continent?

Having the Zombies break the closest availible continent is the only abuse-free way to do it. Because if they were set to attack the highest number of armies, if there was a zombie on Siam on Classic map, whoever owns australia could just put a 1 on indonesia and be safe from the zombie attack.

I think the system Yeti_c posted earlier would be the best, most reliable system to make the zombies fair.

Cause remember, in the situation you explained, as soon as the zombies broke the continent, they would revert back to attacking the biggest army, so stocking all of your armies next to a zombie could still backfire against you.

I agree with 4V4T4R. If there just so happens to be a neutral on siam and I have australia... then I am lucky. That is the case whether the game has zombies or not. If I choose to only leave one army on indonesia (again, something I might do regardless of whether the neutrals on siam are zombies), then I only risk an opponent being more likely to break through the zombies and into Australia.

On a separate note, it seems that having zombies attack the strongest territory at the end of a round would create a major problem... the problem being that the players that go last in the round have a huge advantage over the players that go first in the round... as players last in the round can always make certain that their territories are never attacked by zombies (unless all other adjecent territories have no more than 1 army AND the last player has the territory that comes first alphabetically), and the players going first will never be able to do this.