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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby DiM on Wed Aug 24, 2011 5:49 am

zimmah wrote:lol omg Game 9631516

6players. 4 bonus monkeys.

are those games always like this?



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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby Metsfanmax on Wed Aug 24, 2011 7:59 am

zimmah wrote:lol omg Game 9631516

6players. 4 bonus monkeys.

are those games always like this?


It appears that one of your "monkeys" won that game.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby danryan on Wed Aug 24, 2011 9:06 am

Metsfanmax wrote:
zimmah wrote:lol omg Game 9631516

6players. 4 bonus monkeys.

are those games always like this?


It appears that one of your "monkeys" won that game.


It doesn't mean that their play won them the game. When 4 out of 6 players use suboptimal strategy the best player usually will not win. Hence good players stay out of these type of games.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby BYUwonder11 on Wed Aug 24, 2011 10:10 pm

danryan wrote:
Metsfanmax wrote:
zimmah wrote:lol omg Game 9631516

6players. 4 bonus monkeys.

are those games always like this?


It appears that one of your "monkeys" won that game.


It doesn't mean that their play won them the game. When 4 out of 6 players use suboptimal strategy the best player usually will not win. Hence good players stay out of these type of games.


Well by definition if they're using a suboptimal strategy, then they're not GOOD players even, much less the best right? :) What you've said here though danryan is true though, gotta play your strengths and know the games where you'll be able to employ them
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby firsal901 on Thu Aug 25, 2011 4:12 am

take it if you can hold it.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby darth emperor on Thu Aug 25, 2011 8:00 am

Elmo9199 wrote:take it if you can hold it.

Correction: take if they can't (even try to) break it
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby zimmah on Thu Aug 25, 2011 9:53 am

DiM wrote:
zimmah wrote:lol omg Game 9631516

6players. 4 bonus monkeys.

are those games always like this?



that's what you get for joining public games.
stick to games with people you know and you will have a lot of fun as well as a friendly chat.


k i'll spam you with invites then :lol:
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby laughingcavalier on Thu Aug 25, 2011 2:41 pm

I grew up playing escalating adjacent, usually 3-4 players & we always played for bonuses. I often wonder if I would beat my younger self.
Bonuses can help on big maps like ww2 europe or biggish unusual maps like aom even in 6-8 player games.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby pickleofdoom on Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:12 pm

BYUwonder11 wrote:
danryan wrote:....

It doesn't mean that their play won them the game. When 4 out of 6 players use suboptimal strategy the best player usually will not win. Hence good players stay out of these type of games.


Well by definition if they're using a suboptimal strategy, then they're not GOOD players even, much less the best right? ....


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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby pickleofdoom on Thu Aug 25, 2011 6:19 pm

Its true that you get a lot of random stuff in public games. For a good quality game, probably best to avoid those games, I cannot deny it. But I do have a soft spot for them.

After all, it is also true that often the best player doesnt win in private games too. Sometimes you win because you go after someone misses a kill or you loose when you had an easy sweep but get bad dice. I tend to regard the bonus-grabbers as another random factor, like the dice. Its a bit like having adverse weather conditions in sport.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby Gillipig on Thu Sep 22, 2011 4:30 am

Coming from someone who's good at 4 player esc games but bad at 6 player esc games, I can tell you that being a bonus monkey is the name of the game in most 4 player esc games.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby firsal901 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:45 am

Gillipig wrote:Coming from someone who's good at 4 player esc games but bad at 6 player esc games, I can tell you that being a bonus monkey is the name of the game in most 4 player esc games.


I'd agree to that.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby neanderpaul14 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 8:54 pm

laughingcavalier wrote:I grew up playing escalating adjacent, usually 3-4 players & we always played for bonuses. I often wonder if I would beat my younger self.
Bonuses can help on big maps like ww2 europe or biggish unusual maps like aom even in 6-8 player games.



But would you beat yourself now? :P :P :P
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby danryan on Thu Nov 17, 2011 11:25 am

neanderpaul14 wrote:
laughingcavalier wrote:I grew up playing escalating adjacent, usually 3-4 players & we always played for bonuses. I often wonder if I would beat my younger self.
Bonuses can help on big maps like ww2 europe or biggish unusual maps like aom even in 6-8 player games.



But would you beat yourself now? :P :P :P



Not any more.






Not any less either.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby betiko on Thu Nov 17, 2011 5:19 pm

i think the strategy depends not only on the number of players, but their profile.
with noobs each one is going for a continent. after you can have noobs that sit and watch each other, or that try to take out each other's bonus. so with lesser experienced players i do get a continent bonus sometimes, or I just stack and wait for them to piss each other off.
with experienced players I always play 6 players so no bonus monkeys obviously; and with3-4 experienced players i might go for a bonus cause the trades go way slower, the bonuses are easier to get cause you have more of yours per continent as well.
anyway, it all depends on the number of players and the way they play..
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby PBecquey on Fri Nov 18, 2011 11:06 am

New player here... noob, I guess. What exactly is a "bonus monkey"?
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby chapcrap on Fri Nov 18, 2011 9:57 pm

PBecquey wrote:New player here... noob, I guess. What exactly is a "bonus monkey"?

They are referring to an escalating card game with a large number of players. Typically a bonus like Australia or something will not determine the winner of the game. The bonuses from the cards will get into the 30s, 40s, or even higher, so the small bonuses don't mean much.

A bonus monkey is someone who sacrifices too much to go after a bonus in these games.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby Gillipig on Sat Nov 19, 2011 10:56 am

betiko wrote:i think the strategy depends not only on the number of players, but their profile.
with noobs each one is going for a continent. after you can have noobs that sit and watch each other, or that try to take out each other's bonus. so with lesser experienced players i do get a continent bonus sometimes, or I just stack and wait for them to piss each other off.
with experienced players I always play 6 players so no bonus monkeys obviously; and with3-4 experienced players i might go for a bonus cause the trades go way slower, the bonuses are easier to get cause you have more of yours per continent as well.
anyway, it all depends on the number of players and the way they play..

As shown in the conquer cup, 5 player games is also worth bonus monkeying in. A big gorilla in Australia ruled my game.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby puppydog85 on Thu Dec 01, 2011 8:56 pm

I realize my ranking is low, but I only take a bonus if it falls into my lap and I usually don't bother defending it I use the 2 rounds or so of bonuses to fort somewhere else in a more optimal area for cleaning people out. A bad idea?
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby Geger on Thu Dec 01, 2011 9:14 pm

puppydog85 wrote:I realize my ranking is low, but I only take a bonus if it falls into my lap and I usually don't bother defending it I use the 2 rounds or so of bonuses to fort somewhere else in a more optimal area for cleaning people out. A bad idea?


Not a bad idea. And you are not a Bonus Monkey

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PBecquey wrote:New player here... noob, I guess. What exactly is a "bonus monkey"?

They are referring to an escalating card game with a large number of players. Typically a bonus like Australia or something will not determine the winner of the game. The bonuses from the cards will get into the 30s, 40s, or even higher, so the small bonuses don't mean much.

A bonus monkey is someone who sacrifices too much to go after a bonus in these games.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby mr. CD on Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:33 am

Just wondering if you drop 3/4th of australia and can easily defend it for 2/3 turns, is it worth taking it?
It'd seem to me that it'd be worth the trouble to have it for 3 turns to build up and then move out before people start coming after you.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby laughingcavalier on Wed Dec 07, 2011 5:09 pm

mr. CD wrote:Just wondering if you drop 3/4th of australia and can easily defend it for 2/3 turns, is it worth taking it?
It'd seem to me that it'd be worth the trouble to have it for 3 turns to build up and then move out before people start coming after you.

This is OK. This is good. Even the Society of Cooks who hate bonuses would say this is ok.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby macbone on Thu Dec 08, 2011 8:15 am

laughingcavalier wrote:
mr. CD wrote:Just wondering if you drop 3/4th of australia and can easily defend it for 2/3 turns, is it worth taking it?
It'd seem to me that it'd be worth the trouble to have it for 3 turns to build up and then move out before people start coming after you.

This is OK. This is good. Even the Society of Cooks who hate bonuses would say this is ok.


Yes, indeed! It's even part of the SoC training manual. =)

True Bonus Monkeys are players who throw everything they have into securing that one bonus, wearing themselves out in the process and making themselves easy targets for other players to take out.

But if you can take a bonus, hold it, keep your troop levels up, and have good position across the map, no problem. South America in particular on the Classic map is handy to hold onto, giving you access to North America and Africa. Australia's easier to hang onto, but South America's often a better staging ground for later attacks.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby BoganGod on Thu Dec 08, 2011 1:15 pm

A bonus monkey is a muppet who will suicide and spend every troop he has, taking out other players stacks and feeding them to the next player. Just to secure australia on the classic map(a pissant little 2bonus) when the cash is up to 35. Don't laugh folks, I've seen this happen on more than a few occasions. I blame the modern education system that doesn't teach basic mathematics. A wet dream of mine is for all players in multi player standard esc games to have a working knowledge of the law of diminishing returns! :lol:

Generally when I take a bonus, it is more to distract any bonus monkeys in the game, knowing they will break their balls to bust my shit house little bonus, in the mean time they are ignoring the bigger picture.
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Re: When Is It OK To Bonus Monkey?

Postby Iron Butterfly on Sun Jan 01, 2012 5:01 am

BoganGod wrote:A bonus monkey is a muppet who will suicide and spend every troop he has, taking out other players stacks and feeding them to the next player. Just to secure australia on the classic map(a pissant little 2bonus) when the cash is up to 35. Don't laugh folks, I've seen this happen on more than a few occasions. I blame the modern education system that doesn't teach basic mathematics. A wet dream of mine is for all players in multi player standard esc games to have a working knowledge of the law of diminishing returns! :lol:

Generally when I take a bonus, it is more to distract any bonus monkeys in the game, knowing they will break their balls to bust my shit house little bonus, in the mean time they are ignoring the bigger picture.


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