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by **pearljamrox2** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:36 am

Nope, no loophole. A loophole is a way to avoid the intentions of a rule.

You have exactly an hour from the time you start your turn to complete your turn. If you do not end your turn before the hour is up, you will not receive spoils. This is the exact intention of the system that we use. It is a penalty for not finishing your turn in the amount of time given. It is a well known feature of our game, and it penalizes us all equally, no matter who we are.

To the punctual goes the spoils?

by **gannable** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:54 am

i did this once in an escalating game where i needed to take a territory but if I took a card I would have had 3 cards and a perfect kill for the next player.
Afterwards, I felt dirty and ashamed

but we won the game

so I was able to recover emotionally

by **scarryer** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:18 pm

What is annoying about this is it makes everyone wait longer to do this "tactic." If it is acceptable practice, there should be a "skip turn" button so that we don't have to all wait an hour (or 24 hours when someone is intentionally skipping their whole turn).

by **Evolution299** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:24 pm

Oops double post.

by **Evolution299** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 5:27 pm

pearljamrox2 wrote:Nope, no loophole. A loophole is a way to avoid the intentions of a rule.

You have exactly an hour from the time you start your turn to complete your turn. If you do not end your turn before the hour is up, you will not receive spoils. This is the exact intention of the system that we use. It is a penalty for not finishing your turn in the amount of time given. It is a well known feature of our game, and it penalizes us all equally, no matter who we are.

To the punctual goes the spoils?

The problem Dynasty is that in Nuclear, a card isnt just a reward, but also a punishment. By not taking the card, you are basically having your cake and eating it too. I'm pretty sure that thats not how the system for nuclear games was intended.

Simple answer for this problem, is at the end of the 1hour time limit in Nuclear games only, a card is awarded. No ifs ands or buts.

Problem solved. It should not be that hard to write that into the program.

by **pearljamrox2** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:21 pm

Evolution299 wrote:
The problem Dynasty is that in Nuclear, a card isnt just a reward, but also a punishment. By not taking the card, you are basically having your cake and eating it too. I'm pretty sure that thats not how the system for nuclear games was intended.

Simple answer for this problem, is at the end of the 1hour time limit in Nuclear games only, a card is awarded. No ifs ands or buts.

Problem solved. It should not be that hard to write that into the program.

Maybe the way you choose to play, it isn't a reward. It is still called a spoil though. I find it very rewarding to own a card with a territory that I know will not be blown up. That's a good place to keep a stack of troops.

by **Bones2484** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:12 pm

pearljamrox2 wrote:Nope, no loophole. A loophole is a way to avoid the intentions of a rule.

Awesome quote which actually is an argument against what you are trying to say. Refraining from pushing a button to end your turn as you should when you could easily end your turn is quite clearly a "way to avoid the intentions of a rule".

by **pearljamrox2** on Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:30 pm

Bones2484 wrote:
Awesome quote which actually is an argument against what you are trying to say. Refraining from pushing a button to end your turn as you should when you could easily end your turn is quite clearly a "way to avoid the intentions of a rule".

I knew you'd like that. The problem is..there is no rule that says you must push the button and end your turn. You are simply given an hour to take your turn. That hour is your time to use. There is nothing that says you can't use every single second that is available to you. And if you use up all your time, without ending....Conquer Club will not give you your card. I've been in quite a few Freestyle Battle Royals where I didn't have a card spot until the last few seconds..I made my attack but I couldn't end my turn fast enough. So I made a worthless attack. I didn't get the card I wanted, and it ruined my game....and funny, no one in the game seemed to mind that I missed out on my card all that much.

by **Viceroy63** on Sat Feb 25, 2012 2:43 pm

gannable wrote:i did this once in an escalating game where i needed to take a territory but if I took a card I would have had 3 cards and a perfect kill for the next player.
Afterwards, I felt dirty and ashamed

but we won the game

so I was able to recover emotionally

Wow! I never thought of that before. What an idea, Huh?

But still, if I did that and then felt dirty and ashamed because of that; I'd just take a really good shower, go to church and confess my sins so that I could at least get a good nights' sleep.

Hope that was helpful. =)

by **Tiller** on Wed Feb 29, 2012 9:52 am

AAFitz wrote:I think if you choose to play a nuclear game or even escalating, you simply have to choose to accept it as a perfectly valid possibility. If taking another card means you will lose, you're insane to take one yourself by hitting end when you don't have to as well. If CC wants to enforce you take a card, its really their responsibility to program it in, not police the use of the game as programmed in this particular case.

Personally, I think it adds another layer of strategy by having to end, and by being able to choose not to end, which thereby makes the game better and more challenging, not worse.

I'm in 100% agreement with Fitz and pearljam on this one, both sides can do the exact same thing and the only negative towards anyone is a bit of wasted time (which generally happens no matter what). A card is something that happens when you end your turn normally and is intended to be a reward. If you don't want the reward because you feel it won't help you, you take the penalty of lost forts already in that choice, or even if it's not a choice when its unintentional and you run out of time because the turn takes that long or you lose your connection to the internet. Sometimes a nuclear or escalating card that you don't want turns out to be something that saves you later, and giving it up makes you lose the game, you just can't know beforehand with a random generator (trading in escalating earlier than I wanted for 4 armies rather than 15 but then getting 20 to win the game the next turn has often surprised me, same thing with nukes when I lose a territory I wanted to keep but wind up hurting the opposition much more than that... but still odds were looking better for me by not taking the card, I just didn't feel like waiting it out). Treating a run-out of time as a strategy that either side can use is by far the best response to this, and sometimes it happens unintentionally as well and there's no point in creating acrimony over false expectations of how something "should" be done when it's not really part of the programming and hence the rules. You can do it too. I wish all players would, in cases where it helped them, rather than complain and try to force someone else to not do the same.

by **Darkended Blade** on Fri Mar 02, 2012 1:51 pm

Fair enough for the arguments of valid stratagy. However if that be the case, perhaps a button allowing a turn to be ended without taking the card would be a good idea? After all waiting for the turn to run out does the same thing, only takes longer

by **aad0906** on Fri Mar 02, 2012 4:22 pm

pearljamrox2 wrote:Maybe the way you choose to play, it isn't a reward. It is still called a spoil though. I find it very rewarding to own a card with a territory that I know will not be blown up. That's a good place to keep a stack of troops.

Unless you have a bunch of bold spoils and by taking a 5th card you migt/will be forced to self-nuke at the start of the next turn.

by **eggrollonedolla** on Fri Mar 02, 2012 6:25 pm

Actually im in the camp that you are auto sent a card after an hour. If you didnt want a spoils card then you play a game with no spoils settings. The "point" of a nuke game is the reward/punishment that someone else mentioned before. It would def be easy enough to program this.

by **Generick108** on Sat Apr 21, 2012 7:49 pm

I also agree with an auto end button if it is part of a strategy and why not add the option of a game with auto spoil if you take a region so that CC can have many variables of gameplay.

by **mrboltman** on Tue Apr 24, 2012 7:48 pm

Yes as an option would be good. That way you know what (and whom) you might be dealing with. Not just cards that piss me off on this one but the income from holding territories and completely missing turns. Would be best if missing a turn would mean some penalty half the troop income, cant deploy until end of turn or something to kill the advantage gained. This turn skipping is particularly bad in a one on one game even with flat rate spoils.