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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby darth emperor on Mon Aug 06, 2012 9:02 am

Pershing wrote:Nothing wrong with missing a turn as a strategy but no deadbeating.

Nothing wrong? really?? Can't you simply predicte, that if you get a 5th spoil? you'll cash it by 4??? (or another number). You don't have to be a genius to calculate that... it's as easy as not taking a spoil in your previous round, no one forces you to take a spoil.

And also, if you miss a turn while holding 5 spoils in an escalating while the value goes to be important, it would be surprising that you survive to take another turn. Afterall, this is the best prey in an escalating game.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Viceroy63 on Wed Aug 08, 2012 4:55 pm

Most people who play by the rules do frown down on people who miss turns for the simple reason that it delays the game and it also breaks the pattern of play and that is what this is all about. If a player let's his time run out, then it's just an hour or so but for a player to let 24 hours go by is just undesirable for everyone.

Dead beating is another issue but it is also in the negative spot light. In Chess the losing player resigns because it is so obvious that there is nothing that he can do about it. But while there is life there is also hope and I have seen games turn around from a losing position. So dead beating provides no excuse for denying the opponent the full victory. It's just childish really but sometime we are playing with children on CC. Or so it would seem.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby darth emperor on Wed Aug 08, 2012 5:33 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:Most people who play by the rules do frown down on people who miss turns for the simple reason that it delays the game and it also breaks the pattern of play and that is what this is all about. If a player let's his time run out, then it's just an hour or so but for a player to let 24 hours go by is just undesirable for everyone.

Dead beating is another issue but it is also in the negative spot light. In Chess the losing player resigns because it is so obvious that there is nothing that he can do about it. But while there is life there is also hope and I have seen games turn around from a losing position. So dead beating provides no excuse for denying the opponent the full victory. It's just childish really but sometime we are playing with children on CC. Or so it would seem.

I don't mind if someone misses a turn, things happen, what I cannot grasp, is how people think that a missed turn can be used as strategy. The only ways I see that can be used as a strategy (like 5 spoils in escalating), is because you did something so foolish (like not calculating that if you get 5 spoils you have to trade), that an average player can avoid to do it very easily
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Seulessliathan on Thu Aug 09, 2012 6:57 am

Kaskavel wrote:I consider it to be the correct move. The forced move if you like. I consider clicking begin turn to be equilevant to throwing a game, to suiciding.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Fewnix on Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:12 pm

Bottom Line: in escalating spoils its more a question of strategy than etiquette whether you skip a turn OR skip taking a tert a turn,

COOL DISCUSSION!!!

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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Sey69 on Sun Aug 12, 2012 4:31 pm

Pershing wrote:... Luck and timing cannot be underestimated.


True that.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Donelladan on Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:33 pm

Not taking a card is OK of course.

Missing a turn is, I think, an abuse of the game when it's made intentionaly. I do not even understand how people can consider it.
You are not supposed to miss turn in the game, I mean risk as not be conceived with the possibility of missing turn, so doing it IS an abuse o the game, according to me.

Example : viewtopic.php?f=239&t=165048&p=3604910&hilit=+city+mogul+miss+turn#p3604910

The example is quite specific but it's "intentionally missing turns to gain advantage" and it got warned. It was freestyle game too.
It's not a rule but I would conclude that missing a turn in freestyle game to avoid to cash IS an abuse.

Of course sometimes u wait to be the last one to cash and miss.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Viceroy63 on Thu Aug 16, 2012 10:21 am

darth emperor wrote:I don't mind if someone misses a turn, things happen, what I cannot grasp, is how people think that a missed turn can be used as strategy. The only ways I see that can be used as a strategy (like 5 spoils in escalating), is because you did something so foolish (like not calculating that if you get 5 spoils you have to trade), that an average player can avoid to do it very easily


I absolutely agree with you Darth.

When I first joined CC I also thought that there was some kind of a strategical advantage in missing turns; At least a psychological advantage in missing turns if not also a very real one with the surprise deferred troops to attack an opponent weak spot on the subsequent turn. But I see now that there are risk as well in missing turns that potentially more than out weight any advantage that one might gain by missing turns. In summation I would have to say that there really is no advantage in missing turns except perhaps when dealing with weaker players but then just sneezing and blowing one's nose may be to one's advantage when playing with weaker players. LOL.

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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Seulessliathan on Mon Aug 20, 2012 11:37 am

Viceroy63 wrote: In summation I would have to say that there really is no advantage in missing turns except perhaps when dealing with weaker players but then just sneezing and blowing one's nose may be to one's advantage when playing with weaker players. LOL.---


Your conclusion is incorrect. There are some situations where missing a turn gives you a huge advantage which can turn a game which is otherwise lost into a win or at least a great chance to win. Imo there should be a rule about abuse for this behaviour.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby aligator_al on Wed Aug 29, 2012 2:32 pm

I have no problem with somebody not taking a card.

But I'm in the camp that says purposefully missing a turn to gain an advantage violates an unwritten rule of the game.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Viceroy63 on Sun Sep 02, 2012 7:14 am

Seulessliathan wrote:
Viceroy63 wrote: In summation I would have to say that there really is no advantage in missing turns except perhaps when dealing with weaker players but then just sneezing and blowing one's nose may be to one's advantage when playing with weaker players. LOL.---


Your conclusion is incorrect. There are some situations where missing a turn gives you a huge advantage which can turn a game which is otherwise lost into a win or at least a great chance to win. Imo there should be a rule about abuse for this behaviour.


Well then, could you explain it to me? Because I really do not see how that tactic would work against more experienced players.

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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Seulessliathan on Tue Sep 11, 2012 4:13 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
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Viceroy63 wrote: In summation I would have to say that there really is no advantage in missing turns except perhaps when dealing with weaker players but then just sneezing and blowing one's nose may be to one's advantage when playing with weaker players. LOL.---


Your conclusion is incorrect. There are some situations where missing a turn gives you a huge advantage which can turn a game which is otherwise lost into a win or at least a great chance to win. Imo there should be a rule about abuse for this behaviour.


Well then, could you explain it to me? Because I really do not see how that tactic would work against more experienced players.

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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby oss spy on Fri Sep 14, 2012 12:07 pm

Missing a turn is not against the rules, but it's what we here like to call a "dick move." I personally rate those people with 1 star all around.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby 72o on Sat Sep 15, 2012 9:14 pm

It is poor etiquette to call one person out and tell them "gg, nice positioning" when all 8 people are still in the game and no one has even attempted an elimination run.

Some idiot just did this to me and of course I got eliminated immediately thereafter when multiple people started attacking me.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby pickleofdoom on Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:13 pm

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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby pickleofdoom on Mon Sep 17, 2012 8:32 pm

I rarely avoid carding just so as to avoid cashing for 4, for the reasons which have been explained. But sometimes i will check on a 4 card set if it is enough to cash and make a sweep the next turn (i.e. target is currently on 3) and going to 5 would decrease my chances of survival (eg if all players have 3 cards, so anyone with a 3 card set could take me out). This is definately part of strategy and i have never seen anyone frown upon such a move.

The possibility of turtling on 1 card is a bit more puzling. On another site i play on, as well as giving ponts for second and third place, another difference is the games are 30 seconds per turn. So turtling on 1 card in a bad position is standard practice.
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Missing a turn on 5 seems like cheating to me. In a few situations it can give advantage, i have seen players get winning positions that way in a game or two. However by doing so you are gaining an unfair advantage over those who are unwilling to delay the game in such a way. And as someone pointed out the actual rules of the board game make it impossible to miss.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Degenerate Saint on Sun Mar 24, 2013 6:03 am

Unfortunately, I have missed a handful of turns. Not a multitude, but a few. Regardless of whether or not there is an advantage that may arise from this, I am strongly of the opinion that this is not in the realm of defensible strategy. My humble opinion is that you basically make a commitment when you join a game to the other players that basically amounts to an unspoken agreement: You will play as timely as schedule warrants, and you WILL act during your turn unless unusual circumstances prevent it.

Intentionally slipping a turn when a potential benefit is gleaned from this practice is not some form of creative strategizing. It is a back door maneuver, devoid of any shred of honorable gamesmanship, and I'd assert that identifiable patterned behavior of this kind merits some kind of censure or reprimand. Simply...it's inconsiderate to the people you play with. And hijacking the time of others and the enjoyment they get from the game lacks any integrity whatsoever.

As far as deadbeating...I have a hard time understanding how people can do that without feeling some internal derision. I had a player quit after ONE turn lol. Deployed all, attacked a 3, lost 6 troops, and never took another turn. It was almost funny...in a sad sort of way. I'll play with one troop left and try when there is no hope. Seems like the right thing to do.

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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby EricPhail on Mon Mar 25, 2013 10:21 am

I believe in playing all my turns (so am against skipping for any reason - just a personal thing), timing out is annoying sometimes (in sequential, I don't like seeing that guy in front has just started his turn and hanging around only to need to wait for an hour).

I can't see any excuse for outright missing a turn in freestyle (just wait for the last minute like everybody else)

taking a turn where you just deploy stack and reinforce but don't attack is fine by me (after all aside from lost troops, this is what happens if you merely fail to conquer anything, and trying to the point of running out is suicidal)

(But what do I know being but a freemium who's only been here a month and a half)
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby amundsentb on Tue Mar 26, 2013 4:08 am

Is it allowed to reveal your spoils during a game?
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby Just_essence on Wed Mar 27, 2013 5:03 pm

I do not believe there is a rule against it.
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Re: Escalating etiquette

Postby darth emperor on Thu Mar 28, 2013 9:52 am

Is not against the rules. But apart from nuke games I don't see the purpose about it. Unless, you are talking about having a set or not (instead of spoils' name). In any case, is allowed .
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