Newbies ----> Flame On

[inchul64]

Hi,

Ok, I now understand why people don't want to play newbies. I just recently joined, but I've taken 100% of my turns and I am currently addicted enough that's affecting my life. I wait for people to take their turn and it drives me crazy when they take the full 24 hours.

Anyway, the reason I am ranting is that I recently had a little flame war with someone who was playing their first game. There were 3 of us left and the third guy was winning heavily. But the newbie was attacking me. So I kindly chatted that the other guy was going to take us out in a couple of turns if he (newbie) kept attacking me instead of working with me to attack the dominant player. He responded that there are no rules and that I was a coward for hiding behind my computer. Well, I then called him an idiot for suiciding himself when the object of the game is to win. In one turn, the game was over. You can't totally avoid playing new players. I read the guide that someone wrote about playing with them, but in this case, the guy was a little unhinged. So my question is not about new players but mentally unstable players. What can you do about them? There must be plenty of them on here. I mean, if you love to conquer, isn't that a bit on the crazy side? Not that I'm calling anyone crazy since I categorize myself in that group. Aren't all dictators at least a little bit crazy as well as highly intelligent?

Anyway, I don't know if anyone wants to share their strategy when you play an unbalanced person or a megalomaniac.

Inchul64

[NoSurvivors]

There isn't really a strategy to deal with someone suiciding into you.. But you can always put that player on your "foe" list so you don't have to play them again.

[Koganosi]

I could only suggest picking up teamgames. So you can work together with your teammate. As long as he doesnt suicide into you, you should be fine. Next to that I would be sure to take a look at the training grounds in the forum and sign up for some classes. You should be able to learn alot I quess if your new to the site. Next to that do what the person said before me foe em, so you wont play em again atleast they cant join your games. And next to that see if you can find a game with some more higher rated people, make sure its a map you can play and fair with the cards. Else it can feel a little unfair.

Urs

Koganosi

[Arama86n]

The two answers so far have been very good.
As the first gentleman said, if you encounter some one who is detracting from an enjoyable gaming experience for you, use the foe button and you'll never have to play with them again (unless you happen to sign up for the same tournament as them).
Sure this doesn't stop you occasionally meeting new unstable people, but thankfully there isn't too many of these people around, and the ones that are... well, such is life. You'll find them in all games, and in real life too.

The second suggestion to pick up team games is sound advice too. I mostly avoid standard FR/NS games these days because I find it hard to deal with the constant whining. People who criticise everyone who isn't playing the game to their advantage, and even rate you poorly because they fail to see that just because one doesn't play to their advantage does not mean one isn't playing well. (besides, team games are much more fun anyway)

Let me add a third suggestion; You say you hate when people take the full 24 hours and are very active: Sounds like Freestyle is the thing for you. Playing a 6 player game you could potentially be waiting nearly 5 days for your next turn, but, with Freestyle, you are guaranteed never to have to wait more than a day, and also ,with great activity you can choose when to take your turn, await the opportune moment, and strike with timing to your advantage.
If you have a strategic mind, and are as active as you suggest, you'll have a lot of fun playing FS, and raise your win ratio a lot.

Welcome to the Club, best of luck in your endeavours.

[Gilligan]

Sorry, I had to.

[SaMejoHn]

Sorry, I had to.

[inchul64]

I could only suggest picking up teamgames. So you can work together with your teammate. As long as he doesnt suicide into you, you should be fine. Next to that I would be sure to take a look at the training grounds in the forum and sign up for some classes. You should be able to learn alot I quess if your new to the site. Next to that do what the person said before me foe em, so you wont play em again atleast they cant join your games. And next to that see if you can find a game with some more higher rated people, make sure its a map you can play and fair with the cards. Else it can feel a little unfair.

Urs

Koganosi

Thanks for the advice. I have foed the guy. Since I'm inexperienced with team games, I'm apprehensive about playing them. I am in one team game now (my first and it's with random team members) and I was unlucky to have most of my armies taken out in the first turn. My other teammates seem more experienced and it looks like we're going to win and I have managed to avoid being taken out. I hate the fact that I haven't been able to contribute to the team and I'm like a freeloader. I am considering signing up for the Academy.

[martin pringle]

Hey!
If you want to chat about your game experience with me and wether you liked or not is up to you..i dont mind and everyone is entitled to their opinion.
However, you did not object to my tactics nicely at all! and some of the comments you acuse me of being are nothing further than the truth.It was a nasty message you originally sent me and you know that.
You had no idea what my tactics were like i did not know yours but if you had suggested an alliance i would have readily withdrawn from my new territories and i would have let you have them back and swung around another way.I dont have the benefit of the map in front of me but i wouldnt have gone directly south i would leave that to you.I would go the long way round.
I am certainly not a newbee either!
I first bought risk in 1972 when i was 12yrs old.I gave up when i became a parent and with a baby to look after long games were no longer for me.
However in 1997 with the computer era well on its way i played on that but that was against the computer not a human.
Someone bought me a new risk board game a few years ago but could never get proper games and i noticed this site a little while ago.
i read you love the game as well which i am pleased to hear
Proposition
Lets call an a truce!
I see your from LA in great U S A and 48 yrs old and im 52 and english.It dont feel right being enemies.
hopefully we will meet up in a game and be allies...wouldnt that be great!!
Good luck in all your games
Best regards
Martin Pringle

[Extreme Ways]

Hey!
ould leave that to you.I would go the long way round.
I am certainly not a newbee either!
I first bought risk in 1972 when i was 12yrs old.I gave up when i became a parent and with a baby to look after long games were no longer for me.

Why would you do that :O

[Koganosi]

I could only suggest picking up teamgames. So you can work together with your teammate. As long as he doesnt suicide into you, you should be fine. Next to that I would be sure to take a look at the training grounds in the forum and sign up for some classes. You should be able to learn alot I quess if your new to the site. Next to that do what the person said before me foe em, so you wont play em again atleast they cant join your games. And next to that see if you can find a game with some more higher rated people, make sure its a map you can play and fair with the cards. Else it can feel a little unfair.

Urs

Koganosi

Thanks for the advice. I have foed the guy. Since I'm inexperienced with team games, I'm apprehensive about playing them. I am in one team game now (my first and it's with random team members) and I was unlucky to have most of my armies taken out in the first turn. My other teammates seem more experienced and it looks like we're going to win and I have managed to avoid being taken out. I hate the fact that I haven't been able to contribute to the team and I'm like a freeloader. I am considering signing up for the Academy.

I invited you for a game, doubles 4 player, classic, I might be able to learn you a thing or 2. And I probably will take my turns faster then 12 hours ish!

Dont consider it just do it, nothing to lose right?

Urs

Koganosi

ps:

Sorry, I had to.

Flames STRONK!

[Iron Butterfly]

Being suicided is a right of passage. It happens and there is no way around it.

In a three player game or when it comes down to three there will always be a king maker. they are the one who helps the winner win.

I have also played games that seemed to last a life time when down to 3 players the two weakest would team up against the strongest...which constantly rotated.

welcome to CC and it sounds like you made a new friend.

[waltero]

I am not sure but I do not think I have foed a newb for this reason.
The longer you play the more you will find that it is the Vets that are Suicidal...They would rather a Higher rank player win than a newb. They will suicide at the slightest inclination that a newb is going to win. As well It is the vets (high ranking players) that team up on lower rank then work on each other. In other words the high ranks team up to kill low rank than play the game.

I Could go on and on about many high rank players and there foul game play.

This is a war game you will encounter suicidal player no matter what rank. Maybe the best thing to do is reason with somebody that is going up in you. I believe a player has a better chance of reasoning with a newb than they would with a (rude) vet.
Vets seem to take this game too serious...like it is there livelihood. Remember it is just a game.

Try not to think of it as suicide...just your enemy wanting to destroy you. Many players call it suicide when another attacks them.

[Shannon Apple]

I am not sure but I do not think I have foed a newb for this reason.
The longer you play the more you will find that it is the Vets that are Suicidal...They would rather a Higher rank player win than a newb. They will suicide at the slightest inclination that a newb is going to win. As well It is the vets (high ranking players) that team up on lower rank then work on each other. In other words the high ranks team up to kill low rank than play the game.

I Could go on and on about many high rank players and there foul game play.

This is a war game you will encounter suicidal player no matter what rank. Maybe the best thing to do is reason with somebody that is going up in you. I believe a player has a better chance of reasoning with a newb than they would with a (rude) vet.
Vets seem to take this game too serious...like it is there livelihood. Remember it is just a game.

Try not to think of it as suicide...just your enemy wanting to destroy you. Many players call it suicide when another attacks them.

Unfortunately it happens the other way around as well.

I have yet to come across a vet to call me out in a game for doing something daft while I was a low rank. I had stripes a month ago, so it's not that hard to work your way up if you want to. Stop blaming each other. Read the strategy threads here on the forum. Watch how the higher ranked players move in a game. That's how you learn and become better. Then you won't have any reason to get mad at vets, or they at you.

Bonus monkeying is a really annoying strategy. That's where in an escalating game, the newb runs along to snap up a bonus, even if it means taking out the stack of one or two other players. Not only do they weaken themselves, but also the two players that they hit in pursuit of the bonus. The guy with the bonus in that case never wins. Someone else comes along and takes all three players out because spoils are worth way more than bonus and potentially clears the game by cashing all the spoils. The newb has wasted far more troops trying to get a stupid 2 or 3 bonus than he would have if he sat tight like everyone else and waited for his opportunity to make a move.

Sometimes a bonus monkey has it's advantages... because I get to win, (or someone does.) But, when you're on the receiving end of the monkey moves, it's like grrr. Best way to deal with it though is just foe them if they keep doing it.

I think there's a thread on it somewhere lol.

[waltero]

Not so much as doing something Daft (being called out). Rather, players thinking you are playing like a fool.

Everybody plays their own game. The Hi rank player (not that they play a better game than I) Always have something to say...the rude ones.
This is a game! Get use to it...people play there own game.

different Strategies. Unorthodox players.

What gets me is when you enter a game and There is a unwritten code of conduct (rules).

Only one I run across so far would be Doodle Earth (freestyle). Great fun!

Many rules of play...you apparently have to ask your enemy to give up a terit before you attack it (many more rules of play).
If you do not know the proper etiquette you will be considered a noob, and will be foed.

My game Play (sky card...intrnet conctn sucks resets every move and every three minutes) does not permit me to talk to the other players.
I have to play as fast as I can. often times not knowing were I am attacking (when it resets the conectn, it moves my target area to a different target entirely).
We are also talking about a 1 minute turn.

Anywhoo I play with a different Strategy. Most players do not agree with my Strategy. they seem to think it is stupid to play this way. Talking about Doodle Earth freestyle.
I come close to winning every game that I have played. I have figured out (not due to the other players lambasting me or even foe me) that it is not good for me to enter into a 1 minute turn, game.
Once I have good conctn I will try again. (with my same lame strategy)

I am a unorthodox player.
So I get many people who do not understand what is going on,. I can explain till I am Blue in the face...and they just do not get it.

For instance; Luxemburg, Assassin, Fog. Two terits for each player. 8 player game. My first turn...I see that my target has failed in his Assault..and he has fortified to the (his) terit that is adjacent to me. Therefore, I place my units on my terit that is adjacent to my target...he has 8 units and I have 6
I figure That is good enough for me. Knowing that If I eliminate his 8 units, he will only have 1 unit on his second and only terit.

It worked. He was pissed and stated that it was a foolish move, he told me that it was bad odds. I responded...I do not play with Bob. It was good enough odds. And I tried to explain that I probably would not have done it if he had not forted his units. It gave his position away. I could only see one of his terits and by him fortifying his units he lifted the fog.

He continued to say it did not make any sense. I was foed.

My point is...even if you think you understand the game or game board there is somebody who always knows more than you. Even a low rank playr.

Another example; In a fog trench game. A player was winning and another player was not attacking the guy who was running away with the game. He tried to express that he can not see the guy (target) therefore he can not attack him.

I told him that was an excuse. Boy did everybody blow up. They kept trying to explain to me that you can not attack a guy that you can not see.

What a farce!

The game log tells all (reading his game turn). Of course the foul language and name calling came out.
I tried to explain that I could not see him either (yet I had been Waring against him every turn)...turns out none of us could see him.

I informed them (3 of them) what to do. all the while they continued to try and tell me...if you can not see him you can not wage war against him.
We were able to beat the hidden guy down.

I am not trying to point out my Great skill and daring.

Trying to tell others...Even if you do not understand how (why) somebody is playing the game...learn to take it like a man!

If you are crying about the dice or another player and how they are Messing up ''your''' game...maybe you should take off your Skirt and start playing the Game!

I know a guy that Shot three people while playing Risk. The other players ganged up on him, he walked into his bedroom and got his gun...went to the kitchen and started blasting em.
Hit three of them nobody got killed...Not sure who won that game, Guess he did...he was playing for realz.

[SirSebstar]

once you meet an unhinged player, foe them. saves you the agrevation of meeting them again