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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 20 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:08 pm

CHANGES IN 20 jun 2013
Today I've changed the map several times...

  1. Created a complete Legend with all the rules,
  2. Calculated all the bonuses with the "Copia di CC_MAP_BONUS_CALC.xls" sheet and here is a screenshot of the xls file:

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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 19 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:14 pm

waauw wrote:ooooh, now I understand. Though I think you have to make a special request if you want to make a map for less than 8 players.
Map itself looks good though and I like the concept, but I'm not sure conditional autodeploy is possible. You might wanna ask an xml expert about that one.


I asked to Thenobodies80 before starting this map and he told me that all i wrote is possible.
I trust in his words and i'm witing his help.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 20 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Thu Jun 20, 2013 12:17 pm

Aleena wrote:They need to make a library of the available Function for the game engine with examples and limitations stated. It would make designing the maps easier and faster, plus it would allow the XML experts to focus on possible upgrades instead of answering questions and for map makers a clear reference spot instead of trying to hunt down an xml expert.


Great words.
I wait this guide with trust!
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 22 jun 2013]

Postby Bruceswar on Sun Jun 23, 2013 11:31 pm

Before you go any further do you have permission to make this map from the original book Author? If not you need to get that ASAP or else CC cannot allow this map.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 22 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Mon Jun 24, 2013 2:29 am

Bruceswar wrote:Before you go any further do you have permission to make this map from the original book Author? If not you need to get that ASAP or else CC cannot allow this map.


First of all thanks for the observation.

I totally redrawn this map with Photoshop; i changed several originals locations and created new ones.
I think that all this changes are enough to "bypass" the copyrights.
This is the original map.

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Do you think my map is too much similar?

In any case i'm waiting the opinion of thenobodies80.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 22 jun 2013]

Postby Bruceswar on Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:01 am

The concept is not of your own. .. so you must get permission from the original author. ...
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 22 jun 2013]

Postby greenoaks on Mon Jun 24, 2013 6:41 am

now i see why you were being particular with the place names.

this map can't be made without permission given by the author of the books or whoever holds copyright to them.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:07 am

Today's changes:
  1. Eliminated El2
  2. Shorted all territories names in visual order
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Aleena on Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:50 am

You've done a lot of work, would hate to see it lost....
One of your biggest problems is your naming, a lot of the places not only look the same, and appear to be in the same location, but yet they also seem to have the same name.

Nothing is wrong with making a fantasy theme map... They can not copyright dwarves, humans, druids, elves, ect.. For they are commonly used in all most all fantasy based games. If you change the names and some of the major themes - you should be able to get away with it...

Change major themes like: instead of :
Skull Kingdom - maybe Cross Bone Kingdom and add two bone looking towers that cross over the skull...
Rainbow Lake - Crystal Lake, (still can use the rainbow graphics because it's not in the original - and can be story-lines in with crystal lake as such the lake fractures the day's light into a huge rainbow as if it passes though a crystal ...

I noticed in your drawing "Callahorn" has a huge crack or crevise in it, where in the orginal drawing it does not - so change the name to fit it - Like instead of Callahorn maybe "Calls of Hades" or "Crevise of Doom" - changes like this will make your map stand out and be it's own work instead of that of others..

Once you change all the names, and modify a few locations to make it your own - I think this could pass with out getting permission - but in my opinion - right now how it stands it is too similar - but it can be fixed.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Bruceswar on Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:56 am

Aleena wrote:You've done a lot of work, would hate to see it lost....
One of your biggest problems is your naming, a lot of the places not only look the same, and appear to be in the same location, but yet they also seem to have the same name.

Nothing is wrong with making a fantasy theme map... They can not copyright dwarves, humans, druids, elves, ect.. For they are commonly used in all most all fantasy based games. If you change the names and some of the major themes - you should be able to get away with it...

Change major themes like: instead of :
Skull Kingdom - maybe Cross Bone Kingdom and add two bone looking towers that cross over the skull...
Rainbow Lake - Crystal Lake, (still can use the rainbow graphics because it's not in the original - and can be story-lines in with crystal lake as such the lake fractures the day's light into a huge rainbow as if it passes though a crystal ...

I noticed in your drawing "Callahorn" has a huge crack or crevise in it, where in the orginal drawing it does not - so change the name to fit it - Like instead of Callahorn maybe "Calls of Hades" or "Crevise of Doom" - changes like this will make your map stand out and be it's own work instead of that of others..

Once you change all the names, and modify a few locations to make it your own - I think this could pass with out getting permission - but in my opinion - right now how it stands it is too similar - but it can be fixed.



Even with those suggestions he will still need to get permission from the author.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby waauw on Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:03 am

maybe he should just keep the same concept but start the map from scratch. Make sure that everything is on different locations and has different names. That should be sufficient.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:16 am

Aleena wrote:You've done a lot of work, would hate to see it lost....

...Once you change all the names, and modify a few locations to make it your own - I think this could pass with out getting permission - but in my opinion - right now how it stands it is too similar - but it can be fixed.


Thanks for your interest.

I'm trying to create a Shannara Map, not a Fantasy Map!

If i must modify all the background of the map i can rename this map like "5 Races" or something like this but i I don't want it!

I contacted the italian forum of Terry Brooks and i asked help.
I'm waiting an answer.

I'm wait also thenobodies80's help to take a decision.

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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Teflon Kris on Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:41 am

I like the creativity - you can probably do without the bold borders between regions (especially around the mountains) as the change in colour / shade between regions is enough for players to work-out border.

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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:02 am

Today I've got the final reply about the copyright and the permission to go on with my work.

I quote the 2 reply:

"Hi Francesco,
As I wrote you a few days ago, you will not be given permission to use the map. The copyright is held by Del Rey Books and they have given permission to Russ Charpentier to create and use Shannara maps. No one else may use it.
Best,
Shawn
(The Official Terry Brooks Page)"

"Shelly Shapiro did that map and she works for Del Rey Books. As I said, Del Rey gave Russ Charpentier the rights to the maps and they won't infringe on that. Sorry.
Shawn Speakman"

So, boys, if the foundry group ask me the author's permission i abandon this project. :(

I'm waiting thenobodies80 to take the final decision...
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby greenoaks on Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:06 am

move this to the bin. :(
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:28 am

greenoaks wrote:move this to the bin. :(


Sorry, greenoaks, but who are you, a foundry member?
I must take your words as law :? ?

Sorry again
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby waauw on Thu Jun 27, 2013 2:23 pm

Blakkrose wrote:
greenoaks wrote:move this to the bin. :(


Sorry, greenoaks, but who are you, a foundry member?
I must take your words as law :? ?

Sorry again


He's just mentioning the general protocol
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Bruceswar on Thu Jun 27, 2013 8:38 pm

Blakkrose wrote:
greenoaks wrote:move this to the bin. :(


Sorry, greenoaks, but who are you, a foundry member?
I must take your words as law :? ?

Sorry again



He is just telling you what the guys in blue are going to tell you. You did not get permission so this project is a no go from the CC standpoint.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Aleena on Thu Jun 27, 2013 9:51 pm

Maybe it should be moved to the melting pot (like they did with me quicker then I was able to explain myself), until it get's approved by the original artist of the concept.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby greenoaks on Thu Jun 27, 2013 10:52 pm

Blakkrose wrote:
greenoaks wrote:move this to the bin. :(


Sorry, greenoaks, but who are you, a foundry member?
I must take your words as law :? ?

Sorry again

for the record - i liked your graphics. you have skill. just choose a topic that isn't copyrighted.

how about a map of a region, perhaps Vatican City or Rome.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby macbone on Fri Jun 28, 2013 12:27 am

Yeah, that's too back, Blakkrose.

For the Discworld map, the original mapmaker got permission from Terry Pratchett. If you want to make a map based on a fictional world someone else created, you have to get permission from that author or his or her company to make a map for Conquer Club. That's why we don't have a Star Wars or a Lord of the Rings map, although we do have fantasy maps inspired by LotR.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Fri Jun 28, 2013 2:21 am

greenoaks wrote:
Blakkrose wrote:
greenoaks wrote:move this to the bin. :(


Sorry, greenoaks, but who are you, a foundry member?
I must take your words as law :? ?

Sorry again

for the record - i liked your graphics. you have skill. just choose a topic that isn't copyrighted.

how about a map of a region, perhaps Vatican City or Rome.


Thanks.
I'm right working from days to a map of Italy in Fantasy style: Fantasitaly.
I'll post soon my new work.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby dolomite13 on Sat Jun 29, 2013 11:12 am

Great concept. Love your mountains and other attention to detail. The colors for some things seem a bit bright however and it is hard to see the edges of the territories.

I look forward to playing this one.

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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Bruceswar on Sat Jun 29, 2013 1:10 pm

dolomite13 wrote:Great concept. Love your mountains and other attention to detail. The colors for some things seem a bit bright however and it is hard to see the edges of the territories.

I look forward to playing this one.

=D13=



Sadly this is going to the bin. Copyrighted material.
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Re: 5 Lands of Shannara [updated 24 jun 2013]

Postby Blakkrose on Sat Jun 29, 2013 2:42 pm

Bruceswar wrote:
dolomite13 wrote:Great concept. Love your mountains and other attention to detail. The colors for some things seem a bit bright however and it is hard to see the edges of the territories.

I look forward to playing this one.

=D13=



Sadly this is going to the bin. Copyrighted material.


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