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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby KingRat on Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:28 am

So I'm sure this must have been mentioned before but.....

Could it be that people aren't enthused about playing at a site who's design looks like something out of an old Web 1.0 intro to html hardcover book?

This place needs a facelift in the baddest way.

I'm 40 and I feel like this website is older than me.

How do we expect today's digital warriors to mentally check in at a place like this?

The face of this site is our marketing to the world at large and we look like a run down used up prostitute.

People want it to look slick - they want to feel like they are hanging with their peeps and it's cool.

We need to deliver on that expectation.

It's like one of those institutional buildings made of concrete and steel so you can hose down the shit and piss at the end of the day.

Ugly, cold and efficient.

Take it up a notch - it's easy and cheap!

Spend a little money on a facelift!

The place has great maps, great game play options, a great community and a simple easy to use interface.

But it looks like total shit!

P.S. That CC logo was old when I was watching A Team re runs as a kid.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Gillipig on Thu Mar 28, 2013 4:38 pm

14458, and yes all said above have been said ages ago, it'd been said but not done anything against. I would've thought that the new owner wanted to change the outlook of the site without even being coherced. Just seems like a natural thing to do when you take over a site, to give it a face lift. But appearantly it's staying. El jefe is frighteningly much like lackattack.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:19 pm

KingRat wrote:So I'm sure this must have been mentioned before but.....

Could it be that people aren't enthused about playing at a site who's design looks like something out of an old Web 1.0 intro to html hardcover book?

This place needs a facelift in the baddest way.

I'm 40 and I feel like this website is older than me.

How do we expect today's digital warriors to mentally check in at a place like this?

The face of this site is our marketing to the world at large and we look like a run down used up prostitute.

People want it to look slick - they want to feel like they are hanging with their peeps and it's cool.

We need to deliver on that expectation.

It's like one of those institutional buildings made of concrete and steel so you can hose down the shit and piss at the end of the day.

Ugly, cold and efficient.

Take it up a notch - it's easy and cheap!

Spend a little money on a facelift!

The place has great maps, great game play options, a great community and a simple easy to use interface.

But it looks like total shit!

P.S. That CC logo was old when I was watching A Team re runs as a kid.

I've often thought about the feel of the website and it's difficult to judge whether a change would be beneficial or not. I admit when my coworker showed me the site several years ago it seemed pretty bland and low-tech. However, this guy is a risk nut and he obviously didn't care in the slightest. So one question I have is: "Is conquer club only attracting long term risk fans?" If so, yeah, a facelift and whatever else may be in order so that even people who have never played risk in real life might be drawn to the site.

The other side of the coin is the fact that the site's members seem to be well rounded, geographically speaking. This means a more varied group of computers and internet connections. If you juice up the site too much, these players are left out in the cold.

So I suppose it may be a question of balance. Too much flash and the site will become less accessible, too little and some might get bored. It had to be mentioned though that of all the people I've ever heard gripe and complain to the point where they threaten to quit, none of them has ever had the drab-ness of the site as their reason.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby jsnyder748 on Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:32 pm

if they made it feel more like the video games that are coming out now a days this website would shoot up in popularity. I mean conquer club is cheaper than....basically every other game there is.

by looking like a video games I mean upgraded graphics and well.....more new age designing code stuff
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby KingRat on Fri Mar 29, 2013 2:43 pm

you can change the overll look of the website easily without adding computing overhead - were talking esthetics. think of it as upgrading 1960's paint and wallpaper with on trend colours and styles. This is not difficult!
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby codierose on Fri Mar 29, 2013 3:28 pm

jsnyder748 wrote:if they made it feel more like the video games that are coming out now a days this website would shoot up in popularity. I mean conquer club is cheaper than....basically every other game there is.

by looking like a video games I mean upgraded graphics and well.....more new age designing code stuff

i wouldn't say cheaper but does feel cheap
here is one that's cheaper http://www.teamfortress.com/
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby isaiah40 on Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:14 pm

Gillipig wrote:14458, and yes all said above have been said ages ago, it'd been said but not done anything against. I would've thought that the new owner wanted to change the outlook of the site without even being coherced. Just seems like a natural thing to do when you take over a site, to give it a face lift. But appearantly it's staying. El jefe is frighteningly much like lackattack.

Well, considering that you are not in the know, how can you say that El Jefe is like lack?? There are some things going on behind the scenes that you don't know about, things that have priority over a UI change. For instance, fixing lacks code so the site runs smoother and faster. Changing the code and testing it before it goes live to make sure the major bugs are worked out. The face lift is way down on the list of things to do.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sat Mar 30, 2013 6:44 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:14458, and yes all said above have been said ages ago, it'd been said but not done anything against. I would've thought that the new owner wanted to change the outlook of the site without even being coherced. Just seems like a natural thing to do when you take over a site, to give it a face lift. But appearantly it's staying. El jefe is frighteningly much like lackattack.

Well, considering that you are not in the know, how can you say that El Jefe is like lack?? There are some things going on behind the scenes that you don't know about, things that have priority over a UI change. For instance, fixing lacks code so the site runs smoother and faster. Changing the code and testing it before it goes live to make sure the major bugs are worked out. The face lift is way down on the list of things to do.


This is correct. As much as we know that a facelift is important (and imminent), streamlining/reframing the database so that multiple people can work on it quickly in the future proves to be a better long term investment. Underwhelming since it's nothing user-end, but it is certainly exciting as it open up more coding options for our programmers. For example, plans are already moving to incorporate AJAX into the site which opens us up to a couple of cool things involving looking slick and new-agey :)

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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby KingRat on Sat Mar 30, 2013 9:15 pm

rdsrds2120 wrote: As much as we know that a facelift is important (and imminent)

BMO


Enough said. This Cyberian will wait with baited breath.

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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Gillipig on Tue Apr 02, 2013 3:45 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:14458, and yes all said above have been said ages ago, it'd been said but not done anything against. I would've thought that the new owner wanted to change the outlook of the site without even being coherced. Just seems like a natural thing to do when you take over a site, to give it a face lift. But appearantly it's staying. El jefe is frighteningly much like lackattack.

Well, considering that you are not in the know, how can you say that El Jefe is like lack?? There are some things going on behind the scenes that you don't know about, things that have priority over a UI change. For instance, fixing lacks code so the site runs smoother and faster. Changing the code and testing it before it goes live to make sure the major bugs are worked out. The face lift is way down on the list of things to do.

Well I guess since I'm not in "the know" I have to do what everyone else has to do, look at what he has accomplished so far, and everything he's done, are things I would expect lack to do. I have seen nothing that separates him from lack and his leadership style so far. He's anonymus, he rarely interacts with members or play games (just like lack), updates are promised long in advance, way before they become implemented (just like lack), despite the falling number of members he hasn't made any major overhaul of the site, just minor tweaks (just like lack). After reading his Q&A with the newsletter team, I got the feeling el jefe and lackattack were actually the same person. Now that's most likely not the case but it doesn't make me more optimistic about him being that much different from lack.
It may be that he has tons of updates that lackattack would never have implemented planned, but until those updates are actually made, you can't say he's any different from lackattack, because if there was one thing lackattack did it was making promises, promises that he didn't hold.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Butters1919 on Tue Apr 02, 2013 5:21 pm

Gillipig wrote: or play games (just like lack)


Only on this point can I comment. He most certainly plays games. Why don't you actually look into that before making that statement. Not only does he play games, he signs up for tournaments (one of them being a Conquer Cup, which is a discussion of it's own) and plays speed games. He's far more interactive in that capacity. Likely, most playing games with him don't know he's the owner of the site.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Qwert on Fri Apr 19, 2013 1:23 pm

13910 players active! ,, these are not good,
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Gillipig on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:31 am

13838 right now, these are the lowest I've seen.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Woodruff on Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:36 pm

Butters1919 wrote:
Gillipig wrote: or play games (just like lack)


Only on this point can I comment. He most certainly plays games. Why don't you actually look into that before making that statement. Not only does he play games, he signs up for tournaments (one of them being a Conquer Cup, which is a discussion of it's own) and plays speed games. He's far more interactive in that capacity. Likely, most playing games with him don't know he's the owner of the site.


Maybe I looked up the wrong guy, but I only see 18 games played. Did I look up the wrong guy?
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Butters1919 on Sun Apr 21, 2013 3:53 pm

Woodruff wrote:Maybe I looked up the wrong guy, but I only see 18 games played. Did I look up the wrong guy?


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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby GoranZ on Sun Apr 21, 2013 4:16 pm

isaiah40 wrote:
Gillipig wrote:14458, and yes all said above have been said ages ago, it'd been said but not done anything against. I would've thought that the new owner wanted to change the outlook of the site without even being coherced. Just seems like a natural thing to do when you take over a site, to give it a face lift. But appearantly it's staying. El jefe is frighteningly much like lackattack.

Well, considering that you are not in the know, how can you say that El Jefe is like lack?? There are some things going on behind the scenes that you don't know about, things that have priority over a UI change. For instance, fixing lacks code so the site runs smoother and faster. Changing the code and testing it before it goes live to make sure the major bugs are worked out. The face lift is way down on the list of things to do.

Generally there are more updates with El jefe... but the testing has less quality and more bugs are released with new updates. On a short term this is expected(it means that there is intensive work on the site and developers are still learning) but on the longterm bugs from new features must decrease. I guess only time will tell if in the future we will see more bug fixing or new features development...

Btw UI should be with responsive design(HTML 5) so it will support different platforms. Every day tablets take larger and larger portion of internet traffic and CC is not optimized for them.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Woodruff on Sun Apr 21, 2013 8:45 pm

Butters1919 wrote:
Woodruff wrote:Maybe I looked up the wrong guy, but I only see 18 games played. Did I look up the wrong guy?


El_Jefe


I did! I did look up the wrong guy! Thanks.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Funkyterrance on Sun Apr 21, 2013 10:27 pm

Woodruff wrote:
I did! I did look up the wrong guy!

Are you tweety bird now?
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Woodruff on Sun Apr 21, 2013 11:09 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
Woodruff wrote:
I did! I did look up the wrong guy!

Are you tweety bird now?


That's precisely what was running through my mind as I typed that. <grin>
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Qwert on Thu Apr 25, 2013 6:58 am

Gillipig wrote:13838 right now, these are the lowest I've seen.



now its 13760,
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Gillipig on Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:19 am

qwert wrote:
Gillipig wrote:13838 right now, these are the lowest I've seen.



now its 13760,

I will top you with the current number of 13729!
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Funkyterrance on Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:21 am

I think the numbers right now are an unreliable guage of the projected health of CC though, considering the change of hands. It's like judging a high school's long term quality during a month where a new Principal was hired. :D
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby jsnyder748 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:32 am

sorry everyobody. Its all my fault :cry:
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby rdsrds2120 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 12:14 pm

jsnyder748 wrote:sorry everyobody. Its all my fault :cry:


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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby jsnyder748 on Fri Apr 26, 2013 1:12 pm

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