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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby frankiebee on Wed May 22, 2013 9:32 am

Bruceswar wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:I think since we used to complain about the old management not doing anything and the new management is doing something(it's pretty obvious the wind has changed), that we should give a reasonable amount of time before we continue with the crepe hanging. A year perhaps?

You've got to give it a chance, guys. It's not going to be an instant transformation, no matter what the change is.



CC is only a shell of what it used to be. I do not ever see it getting back to that point unless something really drastic happens.


And this is based on what? Only on the amount of players active in the last month. Who knows how realistic the number of 20.000 players was. Maybe 2000of them were multi's and 3000 new recruits who played a few games and quited. Bam, that's minus 5000, but in fact it's minus cheaters and people who never really contribitud to the game. Im not sure if it's possible to find out how many active people CC lost. I find it odd that the number of players went down by 30%, but the amount of games being played is still somewhat the same. You could say it's because people farm with 50 games on 1 setting, but that was also happening 2 years ago, so that shouldnt be a big influence.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Funkyterrance on Wed May 22, 2013 11:29 am

qwert wrote: Lets see next 6 month what will bring.

Fair enough. ;)

qwert wrote:Nov 1st: 14721 (new management come)
may 22: 13305
this its minus 1416 players

Maybe it's just like coming in after George W. Bush?

frankiebee wrote:I find it odd that the number of players went down by 30%, but the amount of games being played is still somewhat the same.

Good point.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby ljex on Wed May 22, 2013 6:54 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
frankiebee wrote:I find it odd that the number of players went down by 30%, but the amount of games being played is still somewhat the same.

Good point.


When you switch new games to the front page games take longer to fill...thus more waiting games its really simple.

What is the comparison of active games...that measures activity.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Funkyterrance on Wed May 22, 2013 9:08 pm

ljex wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
frankiebee wrote:I find it odd that the number of players went down by 30%, but the amount of games being played is still somewhat the same.

Good point.


When you switch new games to the front page games take longer to fill...thus more waiting games its really simple.

What is the comparison of active games...that measures activity.

The update of the waiting games list is way too recent to show any causal relationship though. Also, how do you know multi's aren't just leaving because they've been cracked down on more and more as CC matures. If every person had a multi and they dropped the multi account in fear of being banned, half the population would appear to be leaving. There are many things that could be causing the numbers to look a certain way.

It's really not that simple.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby ljex on Wed May 22, 2013 9:51 pm

Funkyterrance wrote:
ljex wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
frankiebee wrote:I find it odd that the number of players went down by 30%, but the amount of games being played is still somewhat the same.

Good point.


When you switch new games to the front page games take longer to fill...thus more waiting games its really simple.

What is the comparison of active games...that measures activity.

The update of the waiting games list is way too recent to show any causal relationship though. Also, how do you know multi's aren't just leaving because they've been cracked down on more and more as CC matures. If every person had a multi and they dropped the multi account in fear of being banned, half the population would appear to be leaving. There are many things that could be causing the numbers to look a certain way.

It's really not that simple.


If you are honestly suggesting that such a steep decline in membership is as a result of a decrease in the number of people using multiple accounts you are sadly mistaken.

I very much doubt that more than 5% of premium members have a multi and most freemium members are not here long term.

Sure you can say its a possibility, but to suggest that it is more likely than people leaving for real life issues or the fact that they dont derive the same enjoyment from the site anymore is just ridiculous.

Its also possible that 5,000 cc members have sadly passed away over the last year, but I dont see people jumping at that being the reason for the decline.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Funkyterrance on Wed May 22, 2013 10:27 pm

ljex wrote:If you are honestly suggesting that such a steep decline in membership is as a result of a decrease in the number of people using multiple accounts you are sadly mistaken.

I very much doubt that more than 5% of premium members have a multi and most freemium members are not here long term.

Sure you can say its a possibility, but to suggest that it is more likely than people leaving for real life issues or the fact that they dont derive the same enjoyment from the site anymore is just ridiculous.

Its also possible that 5,000 cc members have sadly passed away over the last year, but I dont see people jumping at that being the reason for the decline.

I'm suggesting that there are many possible reasons for the decline and we shouldn't just assume that the current decline is indicative of what's happening right now with CC. It could be slowing down and about to reverse for all we know.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Bruceswar on Wed May 22, 2013 11:20 pm

frankiebee wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:I think since we used to complain about the old management not doing anything and the new management is doing something(it's pretty obvious the wind has changed), that we should give a reasonable amount of time before we continue with the crepe hanging. A year perhaps?

You've got to give it a chance, guys. It's not going to be an instant transformation, no matter what the change is.



CC is only a shell of what it used to be. I do not ever see it getting back to that point unless something really drastic happens.


And this is based on what? Only on the amount of players active in the last month. Who knows how realistic the number of 20.000 players was. Maybe 2000of them were multi's and 3000 new recruits who played a few games and quited. Bam, that's minus 5000, but in fact it's minus cheaters and people who never really contribitud to the game. Im not sure if it's possible to find out how many active people CC lost. I find it odd that the number of players went down by 30%, but the amount of games being played is still somewhat the same. You could say it's because people farm with 50 games on 1 setting, but that was also happening 2 years ago, so that shouldnt be a big influence.



it is very simple... Think back to 2006 when CC started. Was there Facebook? Sure but not near as big as it is now. How about Cell phones? Most people have flip phones or some crap phone with no net. Twitter? Instagram? Other online things, such as Xbox 360, etc. Point is the world has changed a ton since 2006. People want instant everything these days. Gone are the days when the average person will wait 24 hours for a turn, unless they are already addicted. There are a ton of sites now where people can play straight away with little to no wait. CC is fighting an uphill battle and not helping itself by being slow with the updates. CC would have take drastic measures to keep the people staying and not leaving.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby jsnyder748 on Thu May 23, 2013 12:40 am

I quit. what's the number now?
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby iAmCaffeine on Thu May 23, 2013 4:13 am

After a message I received this morning, I'm sorely disappointed in certain.. parts of CC.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Agent 86 on Thu May 23, 2013 4:55 am

I've noticed quite a few new red question marks, so some things must be working....
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Qwert on Thu May 23, 2013 8:48 am

jsnyder748 wrote:I quit. what's the number now?


wow drop below 13300
its now 13298
Bruceswar wrote:
frankiebee wrote:
Bruceswar wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:I think since we used to complain about the old management not doing anything and the new management is doing something(it's pretty obvious the wind has changed), that we should give a reasonable amount of time before we continue with the crepe hanging. A year perhaps?

You've got to give it a chance, guys. It's not going to be an instant transformation, no matter what the change is.



CC is only a shell of what it used to be. I do not ever see it getting back to that point unless something really drastic happens.


And this is based on what? Only on the amount of players active in the last month. Who knows how realistic the number of 20.000 players was. Maybe 2000of them were multi's and 3000 new recruits who played a few games and quited. Bam, that's minus 5000, but in fact it's minus cheaters and people who never really contribitud to the game. Im not sure if it's possible to find out how many active people CC lost. I find it odd that the number of players went down by 30%, but the amount of games being played is still somewhat the same. You could say it's because people farm with 50 games on 1 setting, but that was also happening 2 years ago, so that shouldnt be a big influence.



it is very simple... Think back to 2006 when CC started. Was there Facebook? Sure but not near as big as it is now. How about Cell phones? Most people have flip phones or some crap phone with no net. Twitter? Instagram? Other online things, such as Xbox 360, etc. Point is the world has changed a ton since 2006. People want instant everything these days. Gone are the days when the average person will wait 24 hours for a turn, unless they are already addicted. There are a ton of sites now where people can play straight away with little to no wait. CC is fighting an uphill battle and not helping itself by being slow with the updates. CC would have take drastic measures to keep the people staying and not leaving.

This its very true, if you want to fight for customers, you need to implement more and more attractive updates, and fast.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby BGtheBrain on Thu May 23, 2013 8:51 am

iAmCaffeine wrote:After a message I received this morning, I'm sorely disappointed in certain.. parts of CC.

I sent that nude pic to YOU!?!?!?
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby iAmCaffeine on Thu May 23, 2013 9:02 am

BGtheBrain wrote:
iAmCaffeine wrote:After a message I received this morning, I'm sorely disappointed in certain.. parts of CC.

I sent that nude pic to YOU!?!?!?


That would actually have been so much better than what I received. :lol:
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Funkyterrance on Thu May 23, 2013 10:19 am

I don't play any other risk sites so I have no idea how they compare to CC in regard to instant gratification. If this really is a big issue, yeah something needs to be done to stay competitive.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Gillipig on Thu May 23, 2013 1:48 pm

qwert wrote:wow drop below 13300
its now 13298

Consider yourself beaten! 13290

Surely you can't beat that!!!



















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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Qwert on Thu May 23, 2013 5:23 pm

Gillipig wrote:
qwert wrote:wow drop below 13300
its now 13298

Consider yourself beaten! 13290

Surely you can't beat that!!!
;)


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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Agent 86 on Fri May 24, 2013 9:39 am

13278...going freemium myself in a couple of days. We know where that is going with my membership lol
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Gillipig on Sat May 25, 2013 1:18 am

qwert wrote:
Gillipig wrote:
qwert wrote:wow drop below 13300
its now 13298

Consider yourself beaten! 13290

Surely you can't beat that!!!
;)


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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Gillipig on Sat May 25, 2013 3:06 pm

13242, a 27 user drop off in less than a day! This might be a CC record lol.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Funkyterrance on Sat May 25, 2013 6:24 pm

So should I not even check this thread if the last post is by gillipig or qwert? I might find it better use of time to polish my scrimshaw collection.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby D4 Damager on Sat May 25, 2013 6:55 pm

I'd be quite interested to see how the number of premium memberships is changing. Sure, the total number of members on the scoreboard is going down but that doesn't tell the whole story. For example, we know the site owners are cracking down more heavily on players that cheat (at least it seems like that to me), so maybe a higher number of freemium accounts are being abandoned rather than used in multi scams, etc. A possibly related situation is that the previous conqueror and his friend disappeared off the scoreboard around the same time Gillipig noticed the number go down by 27. They were both freemium, I think (there isn't a freemium version of the Conqueror rank, so couldn't tell for sure).
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby TeeGee on Sat May 25, 2013 7:29 pm

D4 Damager wrote:I'd be quite interested to see how the number of premium memberships is changing. Sure, the total number of members on the scoreboard is going down but that doesn't tell the whole story. For example, we know the site owners are cracking down more heavily on players that cheat (at least it seems like that to me), so maybe a higher number of freemium accounts are being abandoned rather than used in multi scams, etc. A possibly related situation is that the previous conqueror and his friend disappeared off the scoreboard around the same time Gillipig noticed the number go down by 27. They were both freemium, I think (there isn't a freemium version of the Conqueror rank, so couldn't tell for sure).


Indeed.

Currently we have 37033 users with guest status. Although I can't tell numbers of freemium and premium.
The site owners would probably only be interested in revenue, so may not be keeping track of freemiums as closely.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Gillipig on Sun May 26, 2013 1:52 am

It's 13234 now, imagine how low it will get when the annual summer drop off takes place. We're not even in June yet and it takes 30 days for inactivity to show up on the scoreboard. Meaning what we're seeing now is late April's actual number. Imagine the late July numbers lol.
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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Qwert on Sun May 26, 2013 3:58 am

Gillipig wrote:It's 13231 now, imagine how low it will get when the annual summer drop off takes place. We're not even in June yet and it takes 30 days for inactivity to show up on the scoreboard. Meaning what we're seeing now is late April's actual number. Imagine the late July numbers lol.


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Re: Is CC Declining?

Postby Prankcall on Sun May 26, 2013 11:54 am

Symmetry wrote:I'm not sure if this will have much weight, but CC moved pretty strongly in favour of established members a while ago. Paying or non-paying, The features became vastly more complicated. A culture of "extra features" kind of overcame the idea of streamlining.

Declining? No, just not growing. Whether that's a good or bad thing is a different thing.


The maps are more difficult for new players to pick-up/learn. Who would want to continue playing when all you do is lose and don't even understand how you lost...The maps are being pushed out before players become accustomed to them.Instead of improving on the features they have they just pump out new maps,award new medals and find all kinds of other stupid things to hand out to keep people happy.
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