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Re: Did you know...

Postby Ace Rimmer on Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:44 pm

natty dread wrote:Earlier, the behind-the-scenes maps have always been justified by "they are only seasonal maps and we want to surprise people so they must be made in secret". But now, apparently, real, full-time maps are made in secret, even when a Real mapmaker is willing to make the map in public. So justify it how you want, the truth is it's complete bullshit.


Which maps have been made in secret, that are full-time, regular maps?
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Re: Did you know...

Postby IcePack on Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:50 pm

Ace Rimmer wrote:
natty dread wrote:Earlier, the behind-the-scenes maps have always been justified by "they are only seasonal maps and we want to surprise people so they must be made in secret". But now, apparently, real, full-time maps are made in secret, even when a Real mapmaker is willing to make the map in public. So justify it how you want, the truth is it's complete bullshit.


Which maps have been made in secret, that are full-time, regular maps?


I believe he's referring to the sites version of the map he wanted to make (if I'm not mistaken, I have no first hand knowledge of his statement nor the sites map plans).

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Re: Did you know...

Postby Serbia on Tue Apr 24, 2012 2:57 pm

Wow, someone gets told no, and instantly a childish fit is thrown, complete with unfounded accusations of theft. What a mature response.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:00 pm

natty dread wrote:
Gilligan wrote:First off, you aren't the first person to think of doing a "World 3.0" or "World XL" or whatever you want to call it.

Second off, the idea of that map has been brought in front the team before you posted that thread with the idea.

Please, before you go accusing the admins of CC of stealing your idea, you at least need the proper information to back it up.


Oh, by "team" you mean the Super-Secret Foundry #2 - aka. The Privileged Inner-Circle Foundry?

I'm so sorry that I'm just a regular proletarian who has no access to your super secret aristocratic forums, but I'm still going to call bullshit on that. Even if it was posted on your "team forums" or whatever, I'm the one who posted my thread in the actual, real foundry. I'm the one who put my work for public review, not pussyfooting behind closed doors...

Why don't you make your draft, put it next to mine, and we'll let the community decide which map is worthy of being on the site? Or are you afraid your map won't survive in honest competition? Is that why you guys make maps behind the scenes, because you couldn't make it in the regular foundry?


Agreed. Let's see what they got as of April 4th the 24th (CHINA TIME) and compare it to natty's.

If they don't agree, then that would be interesting. We wouldn't be able to tell how much they changed their map toward natty's style. Perhaps CC's Map Foundry has turned into a mini-form of crony capitalism.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby BigBallinStalin on Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:01 pm

Serbia wrote:Wow, someone gets told no, and instantly a childish fit is thrown, complete with unfounded accusations of theft. What a mature response.


If natty's allegations are false, then I'll agree with Serbia.

If natty's allegations are true, then at least he's making a stand.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby Serbia on Tue Apr 24, 2012 3:21 pm

BigBallinStalin wrote:
Serbia wrote:Wow, someone gets told no, and instantly a childish fit is thrown, complete with unfounded accusations of theft. What a mature response.


If natty's allegations are false, then I'll agree with Serbia.

If natty's allegations are true, then at least he's making a stand.


Unfounded* being the key word in my statement. If he can prove his allegations, that's one thing. So far, they are unfounded.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby Pedronicus on Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:41 pm

I'm more inclined to believe to word of Natty over a bunch of colour coded admins all towing the party line.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby chapcrap on Tue Apr 24, 2012 5:44 pm

While I do think that natty has a point about the separate foundries, there was no idea theft here.

DiM had World 3.0 before natty's proposed World XL. Of course, natty should know this because he was the second post in DiM's thread.

DiM's: viewtopic.php?f=242&t=159617
natty's: viewtopic.php?f=63&t=168557

As far as them making another behind the scenes, natty posted the map on a Saturday (April 7). Admin doesn't work the weekends, so they wouldn't have even caught wind of it until Monday and he heard back from them on Wednesday (April 11). So, I really doubt that they decided to steal his idea in 2 days time.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby Serbia on Tue Apr 24, 2012 8:45 pm

Pedronicus wrote:I'm more inclined to believe to word of Natty over a bunch of colour coded admins all towing the party line.


Based on what? I'm more inclined to call BS on a bunch of unproven whining than I am to believe natty just because he's natty. And for the record, I'm a TD, and have nothing to do whatsoever with the map department; in fact, I avoid that area like the plague.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby Night Strike on Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:13 pm

natty dread wrote:Also, to clarify things, I'm not quitting CC, I hate those drama threads where people come in gd and are all "look at me I'm quitting" and then they stay away for like 6 weeks tops... If I was quitting CC I wouldn't be here talking about it, I'd just leave.


Subject: bin please

natty dread wrote:Ok so is this map allowed or not?

If I'm not allowed to make this map I'm quitting CC. Or something.


natty dread wrote:So, after I looked into it further, it was made clear to me that the admins had basically denied the map I wanted to make, because when they saw it, they thought it was so awesome they had to steal the idea. They decided they couldn't let someone like me create such an important map for CC, rather they had to give the project to one of their inner-circle lackeys, to develop in secret, behind the scenes. How do I know they hadn't already been developing their map before I posted mine? Well, obviously, they wouldn't have waited for several days before informing me - they would have told me right in the beginning that they had their own project. No, they saw my map and basically stole it.


I'm very impressed that your idea could be stolen 2 weeks before your idea was even posted on CC. =D>
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Re: Did you know...

Postby natty dread on Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:26 pm

chapcrap wrote:DiM had World 3.0 before natty's proposed World XL.


Firstly, world 3.0 was an entirely different concept - it had a totally different gameplay plan which was way different than mine.

Secondly, that's all beside the point... the fact is, I made a map, I got told I couldn't make it because the site considered a large World map such an important project that they'd rather give it to a group of talentless hacks to make in secret, rather than to an established mapmaker. That's the point here, that certain people get special privileges over regular mapmakers, for absolutely no good reason whatsoever, other than they happen to be in some inner-circle clubhouse that gets the admin's special protection...

Those guys probably don't even have a draft yet. I have a ready map image. Why all the secrecy and lack of transparency in the process? If they were truly confident in the quality of their work, they'd post their map right alongside mine in the foundry and let the community decide which one is better. Let the better map survive, not the one that has special protection... if I'd get beaten in honest competition, I'd be fine with that, but this is just wrong.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby DiM on Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:33 pm

i'd jump in and do a little bashing on "special" maps but the truth is i really don't care that much about the foundry anymore.
i'm surprised people still do.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby IcePack on Tue Apr 24, 2012 10:41 pm

DiM wrote:i'd jump in and do a little bashing on "special" maps but the truth is i really don't care that much about the foundry anymore.
i'm surprised people still do.


Sounds like the perfect combination, map makers are not caring / interested in the foundry anymore and the admins would like to start making more maps behind the scenes.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby Rodion on Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:27 pm

natty dread wrote:[Those guys probably don't even have a draft yet. I have a ready map image. Why all the secrecy and lack of transparency in the process? If they were truly confident in the quality of their work, they'd post their map right alongside mine in the foundry and let the community decide which one is better. Let the better map survive, not the one that has special protection... if I'd get beaten in honest competition, I'd be fine with that, but this is just wrong.


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Re: Did you know...

Postby army of nobunaga on Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:42 pm

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Re: Did you know...

Postby chapcrap on Tue Apr 24, 2012 11:57 pm

natty dread wrote:Secondly, that's all beside the point... the fact is, I made a map, I got told I couldn't make it because the site considered a large World map such an important project that they'd rather give it to a group of talentless hacks to make in secret, rather than to an established mapmaker. That's the point here, that certain people get special privileges over regular mapmakers, for absolutely no good reason whatsoever, other than they happen to be in some inner-circle clubhouse that gets the admin's special protection...

Those guys probably don't even have a draft yet. I have a ready map image. Why all the secrecy and lack of transparency in the process? If they were truly confident in the quality of their work, they'd post their map right alongside mine in the foundry and let the community decide which one is better. Let the better map survive, not the one that has special protection... if I'd get beaten in honest competition, I'd be fine with that, but this is just wrong.

That isn't something I'm arguing with.

I said they didn't steal the concept. That's all.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby army of nobunaga on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:10 am

chapcrap wrote:
natty dread wrote:Secondly, that's all beside the point... the fact is, I made a map, I got told I couldn't make it because the site considered a large World map such an important project that they'd rather give it to a group of talentless hacks to make in secret, rather than to an established mapmaker. That's the point here, that certain people get special privileges over regular mapmakers, for absolutely no good reason whatsoever, other than they happen to be in some inner-circle clubhouse that gets the admin's special protection...

Those guys probably don't even have a draft yet. I have a ready map image. Why all the secrecy and lack of transparency in the process? If they were truly confident in the quality of their work, they'd post their map right alongside mine in the foundry and let the community decide which one is better. Let the better map survive, not the one that has special protection... if I'd get beaten in honest competition, I'd be fine with that, but this is just wrong.

That isn't something I'm arguing with.

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Re: Did you know...

Postby redhawk92 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:01 am

DiM wrote:i'd jump in and do a little bashing on "special" maps but the truth is i really don't care that much about the foundry anymore.
i'm surprised people still do.


i care about the foundry

i think as a member of team cc you saying this is ridiculous

i say the members of cc should be calling for your resignation?
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Re: Did you know...

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army of nobunaga wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
natty dread wrote:Secondly, that's all beside the point... the fact is, I made a map, I got told I couldn't make it because the site considered a large World map such an important project that they'd rather give it to a group of talentless hacks to make in secret, rather than to an established mapmaker. That's the point here, that certain people get special privileges over regular mapmakers, for absolutely no good reason whatsoever, other than they happen to be in some inner-circle clubhouse that gets the admin's special protection...

Those guys probably don't even have a draft yet. I have a ready map image. Why all the secrecy and lack of transparency in the process? If they were truly confident in the quality of their work, they'd post their map right alongside mine in the foundry and let the community decide which one is better. Let the better map survive, not the one that has special protection... if I'd get beaten in honest competition, I'd be fine with that, but this is just wrong.

That isn't something I'm arguing with.
I said they didn't steal the concept. That's all.

What are you talking about and who are you talking to?

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Re: Did you know...

Postby Leehar on Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:48 am

chapcrap wrote:
army of nobunaga wrote:
chapcrap wrote:
natty dread wrote:Secondly, that's all beside the point... the fact is, I made a map, I got told I couldn't make it because the site considered a large World map such an important project that they'd rather give it to a group of talentless hacks to make in secret, rather than to an established mapmaker. That's the point here, that certain people get special privileges over regular mapmakers, for absolutely no good reason whatsoever, other than they happen to be in some inner-circle clubhouse that gets the admin's special protection...

Those guys probably don't even have a draft yet. I have a ready map image. Why all the secrecy and lack of transparency in the process? If they were truly confident in the quality of their work, they'd post their map right alongside mine in the foundry and let the community decide which one is better. Let the better map survive, not the one that has special protection... if I'd get beaten in honest competition, I'd be fine with that, but this is just wrong.

That isn't something I'm arguing with.
I said they didn't steal the concept. That's all.


If you do not like it quit crying like a girl

What are you talking about and who are you talking to?


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Re: Did you know...

Postby DiM on Wed Apr 25, 2012 12:43 pm

kylegraves1 wrote:
DiM wrote:i'd jump in and do a little bashing on "special" maps but the truth is i really don't care that much about the foundry anymore.
i'm surprised people still do.


i care about the foundry


and strangely you aren't even bothered to manifest that care through feedback given in the foundry. if you really care about it, then go to the foundry, look at the maps being developed and post your constructive criticism.

kylegraves1 wrote:i think as a member of team cc you saying this is ridiculous


why? there are plenty of team CC members that never posted in the foundry.
the truth is, a vast portion of this site's members doesn't even know where maps are made or who makes them.
and while very few people know about the existence of the foundry even fewer visit it regularly and contribute. the foundry regulars are less than 0.1%of the total number of people on this site.

kylegraves1 wrote:i say the members of cc should be calling for your resignation?


yeah. take out your pitchforks and axes.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby Qwert on Wed Apr 25, 2012 1:52 pm

well,well Naty, when i talk abouth how map foundry create maps in secret forums,and when this maps are restricted only to few people, you laught and defend foundry foremans and CA, after that you become foe on mine list,and we dont talk anymore. Now you copy and paste mine oppinion abouth work in Map Foundry. Well who will say that this day will come to naty speak same like me?

Naty ,map foundry its not frendly place,and if you think that you will get right to create map ,then you are wrong-this is not democraty,and only what you can its to leave map foundry imediatly,like i do 2009 years. I still demand justice for Classic Art map, and that all recipient, be strip of this medals(this map create iner circle comunity of Foundry Foreman and CA who get privilege to create this map,and for this shit map work(yes Classic Art are crap map,dont deserve any congratulation) they all get awards(6 medals).
I know that someone will say " medals are irelewant" , but i spend 3 years in map creating, and these 6 person spend 1 day creating Classic Crap, and in this way they show how respect all MAp Makers,who spend month and month in creating maps in regular map foundry, and try to finish maps in "regular" way.
In mine demand ,they only laught, show what they think abouth mine work.
Result are know,after that i leave map foundry permanently(3 years now out of map foundry),i even demand that they remove mine GA medal for notheworthy contribution in map foundry,because its belove mine honor to have the medal with same people who get same award.
In begining map foundry whas frendly place, even lackattack are frendly ,want to speak with other mapmakers,try to solve problems in fair way, but now everything are change.
I have so many more,but map foundry are history for me,,victor sulivan and thenobodie try something last year, but they dont have enough powers to bring things in right way, to bring justice back, and i refuse to come back .
Good luck with your attempt natty, but this is not democraty, dont forget that.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby redhawk92 on Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:48 pm

DiM wrote:
kylegraves1 wrote:
DiM wrote:i'd jump in and do a little bashing on "special" maps but the truth is i really don't care that much about the foundry anymore.
i'm surprised people still do.


i care about the foundry


and strangely you aren't even bothered to manifest that care through feedback given in the foundry. if you really care about it, then go to the foundry, look at the maps being developed and post your constructive criticism.

kylegraves1 wrote:i think as a member of team cc you saying this is ridiculous


why? there are plenty of team CC members that never posted in the foundry.
the truth is, a vast portion of this site's members doesn't even know where maps are made or who makes them.
and while very few people know about the existence of the foundry even fewer visit it regularly and contribute. the foundry regulars are less than 0.1%of the total number of people on this site.

kylegraves1 wrote:i say the members of cc should be calling for your resignation?


yeah. take out your pitchforks and axes.


i look threw it on occasion, i think it should be there and it has a purpose, obviously you dont

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Re: Did you know...

Postby natty dread on Wed Apr 25, 2012 2:57 pm

qwert wrote:when i talk abouth how map foundry create maps in secret forums,and when this maps are restricted only to few people, you laught and defend foundry foremans and CA


Shows what you know... Firstly, the secret maps are not being made in the map foundry, that's the whole point of this thing, and some of them are even done without the supervision of CA:s or the foreman... Secondly, I have never defended the process of making secret maps, ever, so I don't know what you're talking about there.

And when I defended the foundry, it's because back then the foundry used to be a good place... no admin came to tell mapmakers they couldn't make a map because they'd rather have some team of hacks make it in secret. Now, that's all changed, and it's painfully obvious the admins intend to phase out the foundry... I asked about this directly from Andy, I asked if they plan on making the foundry irrelevant, and he dodged my question totally.

The foreman and the CA:s do a great job, I wish nothing but good for them. It's the admin of the site and the bullshit entertainment-team Secret Foundry #2 that are to blame for all this bullshit.
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Re: Did you know...

Postby DiM on Wed Apr 25, 2012 3:30 pm

kylegraves1 wrote:i look threw it on occasion, i think it should be there and it has a purpose, obviously you dont

that is sad


so your contribution towards the foundry is just as valuable as your spelling. :roll:
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