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When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby oss spy on Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:52 pm

I warned a user that if they continued expansion into another bonus that I would be forced to break our truce. He attacked regardless, and so I broke one of his stacks. This is justifiable, is it not?
2012-04-05 19:05:58 - Eagle Orion: For the record, my supposed irrationality has kept me in the game well enough. Just in rather bizaare fashion.

2012-04-05 19:06:28 - nathanmoore04: Look at your troop count...
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby laughingcavalier on Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:56 pm

Yup.
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby danryan on Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:14 pm

It's always justifiable. Just be prepared to deal with the consequences.
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby IcePack on Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:44 pm

It's justifiable if I win by breaking it ;)
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby Serbia on Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:13 pm

If you can justify it, then by definition, it's justifiable. If breaking it hands you the win, then it's obviously justifiable.
Just understand that your opponent may not see it the same way. Entering a truce can be a good strategy, but be warned, it can also create enemies who may accuse you of cheap tactics at best, cheating at worst. But that's the risk when you enter into a truce.
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:15 pm

Serbia wrote:If you can justify it, then by definition, it's justifiable. If breaking it hands you the win, then it's obviously justifiable.
Just understand that your opponent may not see it the same way. Entering a truce can be a good strategy, but be warned, it can also create enemies who may accuse you of cheap tactics at best, cheating at worst. But that's the risk when you enter into a truce.


This post sums it up pretty well. I rarely enter into alliances or truces, but if I did, I'd probably tend to be cutthroat...once the alliance doesn't serve me, no more alliance!


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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby Viceroy63 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:18 pm

oss spy wrote:I warned a user that if they continued expansion into another bonus that I would be forced to break our truce. He attacked regardless, and so I broke one of his stacks. This is justifiable, is it not?


Like IcePack said, "it's justifiable if I win." But the real question here is why would you use a truce to limit the options or game play of another player?

Is "Truce" then the right word or did you guys make an agreement on that before hand?

As I see it a truce is a cease of hostilities between you and another player. Did he attack you first? In that case then he broke the truce. But if it sounds like it reads then you wanted to manipulate that player, and the game using a truce.
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby BGtheBrain on Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:26 pm

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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby oss spy on Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:36 pm

Viceroy63 wrote:
oss spy wrote:I warned a user that if they continued expansion into another bonus that I would be forced to break our truce. He attacked regardless, and so I broke one of his stacks. This is justifiable, is it not?


Like IcePack said, "it's justifiable if I win." But the real question here is why would you use a truce to limit the options or game play of another player?

Is "Truce" then the right word or did you guys make an agreement on that before hand?

As I see it a truce is a cease of hostilities between you and another player. Did he attack you first? In that case then he broke the truce. But if it sounds like it reads then you wanted to manipulate that player, and the game using a truce.


We made an agreement. I can guarantee that I would've lost if he had been able to take the bonus- nobody had the available manpower to stop him from taking another bonus. I warned him to stop but he essentially said "come at me, bro." And...I did :P The funny thing is that he even threatened suicide after I warned him...
2012-04-05 19:05:58 - Eagle Orion: For the record, my supposed irrationality has kept me in the game well enough. Just in rather bizaare fashion.

2012-04-05 19:06:28 - nathanmoore04: Look at your troop count...
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby Viceroy63 on Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:42 pm

Then why not post the agreement and show us that as well?

The suicide thing is a different issue. He's definitely wrong there just saying that even in joking.
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby Brock on Fri Apr 27, 2012 5:30 pm

He is referring to game 10762379:

2012-03-28 16:16:29 - oss spy: Truce, grey? You won't be able to win a fight against me and green combined.
2012-03-28 18:13:16 - Brock: green has bigger fish to fry than me!
2012-03-28 18:15:51 - Brock: but I'm feeling amiable I'll pull out of minsk so you can use your Brest armies!
2012-03-28 21:33:43 - oss spy: Okay thanks :) One round notice before the end of truce.

Not only did I NOT add an extra bonus there were at least three other players with sufficient armies (yellow,blue and green) to prevent me from doing so! This individual was just looking for an excuse to cheat and ironically now feels the need to have others justify his actions!
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby oss spy on Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:40 pm

2012-04-26 21:04:18 - oss spy: Grey, if you continue your expansion into Cyan's territory I will be forced to break our truce.
2012-04-26 21:14:46 - Brock: No problem Mon Ami! Happy to suicide on you & hand what's left to yellow!

I guess you forgot about that, didn't you?


EDIT: You see, controlling the Moscow bonus region nets you +6. Did you really think I was going to allow that to happen? I was not going to allow a gradual takeover of the region. Further, the moment you threatened to suicide on me, you threw out any chance at a diplomatic solution. You could have said "Okay, I'll leave it alone" and there would've been no problem. But NO, that was too much for you. You instead felt the need to threaten suicide on me. And what did I do, given that there was going to be an imenent attack on me? I launched a pre-emptive strike such that I could still have a chance at not losing the game. Anyone in my position would've done the same thing. You do not threaten suicide and expect to get away without consequences.
2012-04-05 19:05:58 - Eagle Orion: For the record, my supposed irrationality has kept me in the game well enough. Just in rather bizaare fashion.

2012-04-05 19:06:28 - nathanmoore04: Look at your troop count...
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby Brock on Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:03 pm

This would be funny were it not so sad! 1) we had an alliance so you were under no immediate threat! 2) I was expanding in the OPPOSITE direction of your Territory! 3) If it had slipped your notice both Blue and Green had amassed very large armies on the border of said Territory and would never have allowed me ownership! 4) I was being facetious when I PUBLICLY announced I would suicide on you because your "high handed" attitude was frankly abrasive! 5)Please don't claim anyone in your position would have acted in the same underhand fashion that you did because that insults a vast amount of honourable players that I have had the privilege of playing against in this excellent game!

Just accept that you cheated, live with it and move on!
"Pericula ludus"
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby Serbia on Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:41 pm

It is NOT cheating.
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Re: When is breaking a truce justifiable?

Postby oss spy on Fri Apr 27, 2012 9:44 pm

Brock wrote:This would be funny were it not so sad! 1) we had an alliance so you were under no immediate threat! 2) I was expanding in the OPPOSITE direction of your Territory! 3) If it had slipped your notice both Blue and Green had amassed very large armies on the border of said Territory and would never have allowed me ownership! 4) I was being facetious when I PUBLICLY announced I would suicide on you because your "high handed" attitude was frankly abrasive! 5)Please don't claim anyone in your position would have acted in the same underhand fashion that you did because that insults a vast amount of honourable players that I have had the privilege of playing against in this excellent game!

Just accept that you cheated, live with it and move on!




1. I was not under an immediate threat, but the most dangerous threats are the ones you predict and do nothing about.
2. Irrelevant. You were going to have a large bonus.
3. Doesn't matter. Neither of them would've done anything because they would be weakened in fighting you and would be easy to take out by the other.
4. Threatening suicide is still threatening suicide. Spin it how you want, you're still making an obvious threat that I had to eliminate.
5. So what you're saying is that you expect people to simply back down if you threaten suicide? This means that you're perfectly justified in suiciding on someone if it gets you your way. This would be great were suicide not against the rules.
6. I did not cheat. Which rule did I break?
2012-04-05 19:05:58 - Eagle Orion: For the record, my supposed irrationality has kept me in the game well enough. Just in rather bizaare fashion.

2012-04-05 19:06:28 - nathanmoore04: Look at your troop count...
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