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Re: Worst game settings

Postby rdsrds2120 on Sat Oct 27, 2012 11:43 pm

squishyg wrote:I know what settings I like, so I started thinking about the settings that would turn this game into a chore.

I think speed, freestyle, trench, adjacent would be the least enjoyable game settings I can imagine. Throw that on Hive and I think I would be driven to deadbeating. Except I don't deadbeat, so I would play that awful, miserable game.


These settings are great on conquest maps. It's the Hive part that's horrible for me! To be honest, normal trench on sequential 1v1 is the most frustrating. If you're dropped even close to a bonus, you can take it without the possibility that the opponent can take it back for the first couple turns, so usually the rest of the game. Trench magnifies the luckiness of drops in sequential.

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Re: Worst game settings

Postby swimmerdude99 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:36 am

Funkyterrance wrote:But to come back to an earlier point, lets use an analogy so to ensure that no nerves are touched regarding the specific "freestyle" setting.
Let's say that I pick an unpopular map, let's say... Madness or something like that. Most of the time I set up a non-private game on that map it fills up with cooks, etc. and I end up crushing these players with ease. I can say "Is it my fault all these unskilled players joined my game?" but there comes a point where your conscience should kick in and ask "Is this really not farming?". It's one thing if you've got buddies or acquaintances whom you invite to your games where it's more or less an even playing field and everyone has a fair chance, but to continue setting up public games when, odds are, you aren't going to be challenged and will most likely get some easy points out of the deal certainly begs a question.


And to this I say, it isn't farming because you may very well be playing the hardest competition you can get. In my opinion it isn't farming to play something only cooks join, as long as that game is open. If it is open to all and you aren't exclusively doing it with the intention to get noobs then it isn't farming. Take for example, I LOVE conquer rome 1v1 freestyle, no spoils, sunny, 1 min. LOVE it. And even when I lose I've enjoyed them. I would be so bold as to say I'm the best on the site at it. Then again not many people play it, I just have a certain love for it. And I think I've lost 2 or 3 games on those settings out of something close to 15 or 20 games maybe. No I'm not farming because people who don't know the settings join. I'm only farming if there is competition on that specific setting and I purposefully avoid it, either by disallowing players to join or by inviting lower skilled players to join.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby rhp 1 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:29 am

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Funkyterrance wrote:But to come back to an earlier point, lets use an analogy so to ensure that no nerves are touched regarding the specific "freestyle" setting.
Let's say that I pick an unpopular map, let's say... Madness or something like that. Most of the time I set up a non-private game on that map it fills up with cooks, etc. and I end up crushing these players with ease. I can say "Is it my fault all these unskilled players joined my game?" but there comes a point where your conscience should kick in and ask "Is this really not farming?". It's one thing if you've got buddies or acquaintances whom you invite to your games where it's more or less an even playing field and everyone has a fair chance, but to continue setting up public games when, odds are, you aren't going to be challenged and will most likely get some easy points out of the deal certainly begs a question.


And to this I say, it isn't farming because you may very well be playing the hardest competition you can get. In my opinion it isn't farming to play something only cooks join, as long as that game is open. If it is open to all and you aren't exclusively doing it with the intention to get noobs then it isn't farming. Take for example, I LOVE conquer rome 1v1 freestyle, no spoils, sunny, 1 min. LOVE it. And even when I lose I've enjoyed them. I would be so bold as to say I'm the best on the site at it. Then again not many people play it, I just have a certain love for it. And I think I've lost 2 or 3 games on those settings out of something close to 15 or 20 games maybe. No I'm not farming because people who don't know the settings join. I'm only farming if there is competition on that specific setting and I purposefully avoid it, either by disallowing players to join or by inviting lower skilled players to join.



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Re: Worst game settings

Postby Chewie1 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 9:38 am

Funkyterrance wrote:
rhp 1 wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:I love adjacent forts and I'm getting used to trench settings but I have always had the opinion that freestyle blows, across the boards. Freestyle just seems a party for farmers and I don't think risk was ever intended to be played that way.


another clueless playing commenting on fs because they don't know how/can't play freestyle...

wow.. don't play at the same time because wars, what the game is based on, are always waged by each party taking turns attacking each other.... wow.. very thoughtful comments by you.. thanx a bunch


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Lemme guess, lots of freestyle points under your belt?
You're right I don't have much freestyle experience but I don't see why someone would be so defensive about my statement... It's my personal opinion.



I have played plenty of freestyle, yes you have to have a certain amount of skill but freestyle is all about how fast your connection is.

You set up a 8 man esc sunny classic game with 8 majors who know how to play the board add freestyle the winner will always be the one with the super fast connection. ALWAYS
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby Extreme Ways on Sun Oct 28, 2012 11:57 am

squishyg wrote:I know what settings I like, so I started thinking about the settings that would turn this game into a chore.

I think speed, freestyle, trench, adjacent would be the least enjoyable game settings I can imagine. Throw that on Hive and I think I would be driven to deadbeating. Except I don't deadbeat, so I would play that awful, miserable game.

Let's change the settings for a bit.

Speed, seq, trench, adj, NS, Std BR on Hive. No deadbeating, and all start with 1 territ.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby BlackJayce on Sun Oct 28, 2012 1:46 pm

freestyle can be fun. I imagine speed game with freestyle is just the shizzle


i just dont like how it turns from "who has the best strategy" to "who the most time to spend checking CC" sometimes, especially for those normal games.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby rhp 1 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:50 pm

Chewie1 wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:
rhp 1 wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:I love adjacent forts and I'm getting used to trench settings but I have always had the opinion that freestyle blows, across the boards. Freestyle just seems a party for farmers and I don't think risk was ever intended to be played that way.


another clueless playing commenting on fs because they don't know how/can't play freestyle...

wow.. don't play at the same time because wars, what the game is based on, are always waged by each party taking turns attacking each other.... wow.. very thoughtful comments by you.. thanx a bunch


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Someone's knickers in a bunch?
Lemme guess, lots of freestyle points under your belt?
You're right I don't have much freestyle experience but I don't see why someone would be so defensive about my statement... It's my personal opinion.



I have played plenty of freestyle, yes you have to have a certain amount of skill but freestyle is all about how fast your connection is.

You set up a 8 man esc sunny classic game with 8 majors who know how to play the board add freestyle the winner will always be the one with the super fast connection. ALWAYS



apparently you aren't good at it then.. you have it backwards... you have to have a certain amount of com and connection speed, and after that it's all about skill strat and reaction time..
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby Ninja Champion on Sun Oct 28, 2012 3:54 pm

the worst game settings I can think of:

Hive, nuclear spoils, trench, foggy, adjacent forts, assassin, manual and freestyle 8 player game with 1 minute turns. Now I just need 7 others to join me :|
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby The Voice on Sun Oct 28, 2012 5:25 pm

Ninja Champion wrote:the worst game settings I can think of:

Hive, nuclear spoils, trench, foggy, adjacent forts, assassin, manual and freestyle 8 player game with 1 minute turns. Now I just need 7 others to join me :|


Whoa, wait just a minute! Don't be hatin' on nukes :) There's this exhilarating tactic for freestyle pelo speeders in which you hold nukes you own. Should your opponent's stack come rolling through, cash in your cards just as your opponent takes that specific territory you owned and advances his/her stack.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby mc05025 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:38 pm

squishyg wrote:I know what settings I like, so I started thinking about the settings that would turn this game into a chore.

I think speed, freestyle, trench, adjacent would be the least enjoyable game settings I can imagine. Throw that on Hive and I think I would be driven to deadbeating. Except I don't deadbeat, so I would play that awful, miserable game.


Actually these setting are very good. Well, the adjacent does not really fit with Hive but this is not a problem. Just make it escalating to give a reason to players not to run out of time.

If I had a quick connection I would defently play theses settings. They demand very good advanced strategy and speed minimizing the factor of luck. You can easily reach the 1st position if you are good at these settings playhing with all kind of players

Of course I am speaking for 1v1
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby mc05025 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 6:51 pm

Actually any trench escalating 8 players at big map is just stupid. Make it without round limit and you are going to play for ever. Add speed game 5 min and you are going to either deadbeat or kill yourself.

So worst settings ever

Hive (largest map)
8 players (it is better not to be completely clueless so that they will not deadbeat or suicide)
Escalating
Trench
No fog (to make it sure you do not have to calculate anything)
Automatic deployment (to make sure that there will be no early attack 50v50 and that players will be everywhere)
No round limit (to make sure it will be endless)
Speed game 5 min (to forse players stay at the computer for a long time)
Secuential (to make the game even longer and to elliminate the possibility of any elliminations)
adjacent reinforcement (does not really matter)
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby NoSurvivors on Sun Oct 28, 2012 7:17 pm

mc05025 wrote:Actually any trench escalating 8 players at big map is just stupid. Make it without round limit and you are going to play for ever. Add speed game 5 min and you are going to either deadbeat or kill yourself.

So worst settings ever

Hive (largest map)
8 players (it is better not to be completely clueless so that they will not deadbeat or suicide)
Escalating
Trench
No fog (to make it sure you do not have to calculate anything)
Automatic deployment (to make sure that there will be no early attack 50v50 and that players will be everywhere)
No round limit (to make sure it will be endless)
Speed game 5 min (to forse players stay at the computer for a long time)
Secuential (to make the game even longer and to elliminate the possibility of any elliminations)
adjacent reinforcement (does not really matter)


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Re: Worst game settings

Postby Funkyterrance on Tue Oct 30, 2012 12:36 pm

swimmerdude99 wrote:
Funkyterrance wrote:But to come back to an earlier point, lets use an analogy so to ensure that no nerves are touched regarding the specific "freestyle" setting.
Let's say that I pick an unpopular map, let's say... Madness or something like that. Most of the time I set up a non-private game on that map it fills up with cooks, etc. and I end up crushing these players with ease. I can say "Is it my fault all these unskilled players joined my game?" but there comes a point where your conscience should kick in and ask "Is this really not farming?". It's one thing if you've got buddies or acquaintances whom you invite to your games where it's more or less an even playing field and everyone has a fair chance, but to continue setting up public games when, odds are, you aren't going to be challenged and will most likely get some easy points out of the deal certainly begs a question.


And to this I say, it isn't farming because you may very well be playing the hardest competition you can get. In my opinion it isn't farming to play something only cooks join, as long as that game is open. If it is open to all and you aren't exclusively doing it with the intention to get noobs then it isn't farming. Take for example, I LOVE conquer rome 1v1 freestyle, no spoils, sunny, 1 min. LOVE it. And even when I lose I've enjoyed them. I would be so bold as to say I'm the best on the site at it. Then again not many people play it, I just have a certain love for it. And I think I've lost 2 or 3 games on those settings out of something close to 15 or 20 games maybe. No I'm not farming because people who don't know the settings join. I'm only farming if there is competition on that specific setting and I purposefully avoid it, either by disallowing players to join or by inviting lower skilled players to join.


I suppose the question is whether or not you can technically not be farming but still get the same results and benefits of a farmer. Why not create private games if you know full well what competition you will draw in an open game? It's obvious at this point that no one is pleading ignorance to the fact that there is little competition in this type of game.
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Lets say you are at a grocery store and you put a quarter in a gumball machine and out drops your gumball. On a whim you turn the knob again and another gumball drops out. Again, another drops out. Ok now you can do a few things: you can keep turning the handle and getting free gumballs, you can call the manager to get someone to fix the machine so that you have to pay another quarter for another game or you can leave the machine entirely. It does seem a bit like stealing if you keep coming back for more gumballs. This is basically what farmers do. An outright farmer jams a screwdriver into the machine to break it but the passive farmer just says "hey, its not my fault the machine is broken.". Both are still farmers IMHO.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby swimmerdude99 on Tue Oct 30, 2012 4:11 pm

The problem is, if I create private speed games for freestyle of settings not many people like, no one will ever join. You can call it "unintentional farming" if you want to, but to me farming IS intentional, so to me it can't be any form of farming. I play because I enjoy those game types, so I'm not going to feel bad about it. and I really can't say anything that you have said changes my opninon. I wish I could say that I had competition, I love a good game, check my chats if you like, I ask the good players and the ones who beat me, to play me again cause I get bored of playing losers. Freestyle isn't a farming player type. In my opinion it is just the higher skilled players type. Not saying people who can't play it are any less of a player, but I think the real elites on here can play can play both speed freestyle and normal games. If you can't play speed freestyle, try going to a friends house with a good connection, and try it. See if what you stay still stands. Its not all about the connection, trust me, it tooke me many games to learn how to play. And I still respect those better than me. I know that its about how good you are, speed has something to do with it but not everything. Its about how you play the match, more so than any sequential game you play 1v1.
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Re: Worst game settings

Postby AndyDufresne on Wed Oct 31, 2012 11:22 am

mc05025 wrote:Actually any trench escalating 8 players at big map is just stupid. Make it without round limit and you are going to play for ever.


I generally agree with this. Really, games without Round Limits I usually avoid in general.


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