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Re: ccatman

Postby josko.ri on Mon Nov 05, 2012 12:29 pm

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josko.ri wrote:In general, I do not see which is difference between setting 100+ Hive games with the same settings that nobody else know to play well, or setting 100+ Freestyle City moguls. Just saying, players who did it with City mogul weren't so respected because of their methods, and this is now more respected? Where is the difference?

congrats ccatman btw, I played vs him, and he showed great strategy skills so his playing skills aren't questioned in my eyes, but his methods are.


Big difference playing sequential games vs freestyle games in regards to attaining a certain rank. Freestyle is much easier by far especially if someone is unclear how to play a specific map than that of sequential. I'm willing to bet that the majority of conquerors were freestyle specialists, which proves my point.

in contraring to this, 1 minute game on hive map is much more speed needed than in freestyle games, so he beat his opponents much more due to speed and not so lot due to strategy. for example, you theoretically cannot beat him if you do not have clickable maps installed, so where is here skill? I am sure some of his opponents did not have clickable maps, or had lag or slow internet connection, so those games were in start wins for him.

to prove that, I challenged him on his settings, just asked him to increase 1 minute to 5 minute to eliminate speed factor, and play the game only with skill factor. on that time when we played I have played only one trench game ever in my CC career so I was very unexperienced at the settings, while he was already expert. in addition, I got second start. and I won, enough to prove that his main skill in comparing with other top players is speed, not alpha strategy. check Game 11702433

So I repeat my statement that Sequential+1 minute+Hive is much more likely ground for farming for points than Freestyle+City Mogul, because if you are normal player (not speed freak who has extremely good finger motion and knows all keyboard shortcuts to play the turn faster) you cannot finish your turns in time which leads to not being able to take/break bonuses, even if you have enough armies to do so. Problem is that you do not have enough time.

I am ready to repeat that challenge in best of 7-9-11-whatever if he is willing to prove that he is really alpha strategist, not only alpha speed player.
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Re: ccatman

Postby puppydog85 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:05 pm

The difference is that if you were good at speed you could take a shot at him. I did that and got beaten.

I can't recall seeing an open game from GLG.
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Re: ccatman

Postby tdans on Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:31 pm

josko.ri wrote:
codeblue1018 wrote:
josko.ri wrote:In general, I do not see which is difference between setting 100+ Hive games with the same settings that nobody else know to play well, or setting 100+ Freestyle City moguls. Just saying, players who did it with City mogul weren't so respected because of their methods, and this is now more respected? Where is the difference?

congrats ccatman btw, I played vs him, and he showed great strategy skills so his playing skills aren't questioned in my eyes, but his methods are.


Big difference playing sequential games vs freestyle games in regards to attaining a certain rank. Freestyle is much easier by far especially if someone is unclear how to play a specific map than that of sequential. I'm willing to bet that the majority of conquerors were freestyle specialists, which proves my point.

in contraring to this, 1 minute game on hive map is much more speed needed than in freestyle games, so he beat his opponents much more due to speed and not so lot due to strategy. for example, you theoretically cannot beat him if you do not have clickable maps installed, so where is here skill? I am sure some of his opponents did not have clickable maps, or had lag or slow internet connection, so those games were in start wins for him.

to prove that, I challenged him on his settings, just asked him to increase 1 minute to 5 minute to eliminate speed factor, and play the game only with skill factor. on that time when we played I have played only one trench game ever in my CC career so I was very unexperienced at the settings, while he was already expert. in addition, I got second start. and I won, enough to prove that his main skill in comparing with other top players is speed, not alpha strategy. check Game 11702433

So I repeat my statement that Sequential+1 minute+Hive is much more likely ground for farming for points than Freestyle+City Mogul, because if you are normal player (not speed freak who has extremely good finger motion and knows all keyboard shortcuts to play the turn faster) you cannot finish your turns in time which leads to not being able to take/break bonuses, even if you have enough armies to do so. Problem is that you do not have enough time.

I am ready to repeat that challenge in best of 7-9-11-whatever if he is willing to prove that he is really alpha strategist, not only alpha speed player.

I believe DIce were the issue in ya'lls game. Just sayin.
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Re: ccatman

Postby 72o on Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:41 pm

lol at 1 minute 1v1 no spoils trench hive games. That's quite possibly the worst combination of settings ever.

When's the last time a conqueror got there from points in escalating games?
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Re: ccatman

Postby swimmerdude99 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:36 pm

I think as long as the games aren't private and you are letting anyone join it is honorable. Good job ccatman.
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Re: ccatman

Postby codeblue1018 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 5:47 pm

swimmerdude99 wrote:I think as long as the games aren't private and you are letting anyone join it is honorable. Good job ccatman.


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Re: ccatman

Postby rhp 1 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 7:48 pm

swimmerdude99 wrote:I think as long as the games aren't private and you are letting anyone join it is honorable. Good job ccatman.



+1... but can't we all agree that any conq is gonna be a specialist at something? I mean, I don't take anything away from any of the conqs, it's not easy to do regardless of how they did it... case in point... see how many different ones there have been?

congrats Cat
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Re: ccatman

Postby swimmerdude99 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 8:32 pm

anybody can be a "specialist" like glg. If you pick your opponents, you can't lose. However OTHERWISE, yes I give them credit if the games involve capable players or they are open.
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Re: ccatman

Postby rhp 1 on Mon Nov 05, 2012 9:26 pm

swimmerdude99 wrote:anybody can be a "specialist" like glg. If you pick your opponents, you can't lose. However OTHERWISE, yes I give them credit if the games involve capable players or they are open.



ahh.. I think I was agreeing with you? I'm not sure though now.. lol I'm just sayin Cat got to conq specializing on a map/settings that most can't compete with him on.. that's not to say that there is anything wrong with it, which I don't think there is... and sure if we're talking about who is more legit, then I give the nod to Cat... duh.. but if he played many different maps with the same settings, I doubt he would have gotten to 1st place, that's my only point (that conqs have to specialize in something)... and again, not sayin there's a thing wrong with it, it's just a fact..
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Re: ccatman

Postby Seulessliathan on Tue Nov 06, 2012 4:43 am

72o wrote:lol at 1 minute 1v1 no spoils trench hive games. That's quite possibly the worst combination of settings ever.

When's the last time a conqueror got there from points in escalating games?


I guess that was Scott-Land
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Re: ccatman

Postby fishydance on Tue Nov 06, 2012 7:48 am

Seulessliathan wrote:
72o wrote:lol at 1 minute 1v1 no spoils trench hive games. That's quite possibly the worst combination of settings ever.

When's the last time a conqueror got there from points in escalating games?


I guess that was Scott-Land


mhennigan was Conqueror not long ago, and got to the top playing escalating games. In fact quite a few of the top 10 players at any given time are Standard Esc players.
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