Admins picking and choosing how they feel about rulings

[IcePack]

I feel that the Community Guidelines is always forgotten or neglected:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7785

It's there but no one is looking.

If you can be punished for it, it should be highlighted under rules tab. Or get rid of rules tab and create a community guideline tab, and incorporate the rules into that post / thread. Shouldn't be two places for punishable offenses. And some of them should be clarified IMO

IcePak

[Metsfanmax]

I feel that the Community Guidelines is always forgotten or neglected:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7785

It's there but no one is looking.

If you can be punished for it, it should be highlighted under rules tab. Or get rid of rules tab and create a community guideline tab, and incorporate the rules into that post / thread. Shouldn't be two places for punishable offenses. And some of them should be clarified IMO

IcePak

The community guidelines are actually linked to from the rules page. You could only miss it if you didn't read the five paragraphs on that page.

[Funkyterrance]

Those rules and guidelines are broken so frequently that what ends up happening is that when people report those who get reprimanded get sore-butted and rightly so. People get singled out when one person gets a bug in their ass and now has it out for someone. They aren't reporting the offense they are reporting the person. If their friend does the same thing they brush it off. I think that the rule breaking should be looked for and dealt with in a more random fashion than report buttons and complaints from passive aggressive players.

[greenoaks]

Those rules and guidelines are broken so frequently that what ends up happening is that when people report those who get reprimanded get sore-butted and rightly so. People get singled out when one person gets a bug in their ass and now has it out for someone. They aren't reporting the offense they are reporting the person. If their friend does the same thing they brush it off. I think that the rule breaking should be looked for and dealt with in a more random fashion than report buttons and complaints from passive aggressive players.

that doesn't matter here. the op has stated his friend doesn't visit the forums so would be unaware of those situations.

[Denise]

A warning is a warning, not a punishment. Your friend was warned so now he knows what not to do and now he doesn't have to be punished for breaking a rule he doesn't know about.

Limiting the admins to being able to enforce only rules that are clearly stated in detail makes it too easy for players to use loopholes and disrupt the game. Admins ability to easily stop inappropriate behavior when it happens, even if there isn't a clearly stated rule about that behavior, makes the game and forums more enjoyable for all of us.

[Funkyterrance]

Those rules and guidelines are broken so frequently that what ends up happening is that when people report those who get reprimanded get sore-butted and rightly so. People get singled out when one person gets a bug in their ass and now has it out for someone. They aren't reporting the offense they are reporting the person. If their friend does the same thing they brush it off. I think that the rule breaking should be looked for and dealt with in a more random fashion than report buttons and complaints from passive aggressive players.

that doesn't matter here. the op has stated his friend doesn't visit the forums so would be unaware of those situations.

I took the example as just that and figured the discussion was open to all aspects of rulings on CC as the poll suggests. If not, so be it.

[greenoaks]

Those rules and guidelines are broken so frequently that what ends up happening is that when people report those who get reprimanded get sore-butted and rightly so. People get singled out when one person gets a bug in their ass and now has it out for someone. They aren't reporting the offense they are reporting the person. If their friend does the same thing they brush it off. I think that the rule breaking should be looked for and dealt with in a more random fashion than report buttons and complaints from passive aggressive players.

that doesn't matter here. the op has stated his friend doesn't visit the forums so would be unaware of those situations.

I took the example as just that and figured the discussion was open to all aspects of rulings on CC as the poll suggests. If not, so be it.

its a bit of both

the op as you rightly said wanted a broad discussion but provided a poor example for why we should have that discussion.

[IcePack]

I feel that the Community Guidelines is always forgotten or neglected:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7785

It's there but no one is looking.

If you can be punished for it, it should be highlighted under rules tab. Or get rid of rules tab and create a community guideline tab, and incorporate the rules into that post / thread. Shouldn't be two places for punishable offenses. And some of them should be clarified IMO

IcePak

The community guidelines are actually linked to from the rules page. You could only miss it if you didn't read the five paragraphs on that page.

Community Guidelines:

Our moderation policy for the Forum, Private Messages, Live Chat and Game Chat is outlined in the community guidelines.

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Forum, PM, LC and game chat does NOT give the impression it goes into further rules outside f places that you are typing. Does not mention ratings or other rules that are covered. If I were looking into if I could be punished for ratings, i would not continue thru that link based on its explanation paragraph.

[Metsfanmax]

I feel that the Community Guidelines is always forgotten or neglected:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7785

It's there but no one is looking.

If you can be punished for it, it should be highlighted under rules tab. Or get rid of rules tab and create a community guideline tab, and incorporate the rules into that post / thread. Shouldn't be two places for punishable offenses. And some of them should be clarified IMO

IcePak

The community guidelines are actually linked to from the rules page. You could only miss it if you didn't read the five paragraphs on that page.

Community Guidelines:

Our moderation policy for the Forum, Private Messages, Live Chat and Game Chat is outlined in the community guidelines.

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Forum, PM, LC and game chat does NOT give the impression it goes into further rules outside f places that you are typing. Does not mention ratings or other rules that are covered. If I were looking into if I could be punished for ratings, i would not continue thru that link based on its explanation paragraph.

You are correct that it would be helpful if the link also said that ratings were covered there. Nevertheless, since even people who do not use the forum, use the PM system and game chat, they should be aware of the Community Guidelines resource and be familiar with it before participating in any way with the community other than just strictly playing a game. Ratings surely fall into that category.

That and the rules page are the only places on the forum where explicit rules are given (the FAQ page also covers some things, incidentally). It's not like anyone can legitimately claim "I didn't know to look there."

[Lindax]

I feel that the Community Guidelines is always forgotten or neglected:

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=7785

It's there but no one is looking.

Ouch. That's not a fair statement. I try to be up-to-date and informed about rules and regulations on any website I go to.

Hence, I have looked at the Community Guidelines many a time.

In your position KA, you should be the last to generalize.

Lx

[AndyDufresne]

To be fair, the Community Guidelines Table of contents at the end of the first posts lists: "Forum & General Rule Enforcement" which navigates you to the page where Ratings Abuse is discussed. The actual Rules page could be more clear, and if El Jefe and RDS choose to add more information to that page, power to them!


--Andy

[jltile1]

A warning is a warning, not a punishment. Your friend was warned so now he knows what not to do and now he doesn't have to be punished for breaking a rule he doesn't know about.

Limiting the admins to being able to enforce only rules that are clearly stated in detail makes it too easy for players to use loopholes and disrupt the game. Admins ability to easily stop inappropriate behavior when it happens, even if there isn't a clearly stated rule about that behavior, makes the game and forums more enjoyable for all of us.

He is not saying any thing about limiting any mod from making a decision only based on a rule in place. But in this case, and about rating abuse it is not clear what the rule is. There has been people with pages and pages of one star ratings and they have been cleared. This guy has a few a is warned. Why is he not allowed to have his own opinion as others are givin free passes.

So what is the rule ? How many do you have to prove are unjustifed to get a warning or Even punishment . So now if we are using to rating system shouldn't one un justified rating be abuse of the system as one infraction would be against the rules and you would get a warning and eclilate from there. This part is just a question to everyone not you D.

[blakebowling]

I'd like to make it clear that I am posting on behalf of myself, and not in an official capacity. This post is not an official view of CC by any means.

I honestly don't understand how ratings abuse is a punishable offense. Especially not for a global ban on the website. Sure if someone is always rating the same thing (beit 1 or 5), then block that person from using the ratings system. There is no reason to apply a website ban to someone who used a simple feature in a way not intended. If players can't give everyone 1's, then they shouldn't be able to rate everyone 5's either.

Just for clarification you won't get a website ban for ratings abuse. You can get ratings ban so you can't give ratings.

If this is the case, then I completely understand.

I still, personally, believe that the ratings are completely useless.

[Funkyterrance]

I'd like to make it clear that I am posting on behalf of myself, and not in an official capacity. This post is not an official view of CC by any means.

I honestly don't understand how ratings abuse is a punishable offense. Especially not for a global ban on the website. Sure if someone is always rating the same thing (beit 1 or 5), then block that person from using the ratings system. There is no reason to apply a website ban to someone who used a simple feature in a way not intended. If players can't give everyone 1's, then they shouldn't be able to rate everyone 5's either.

Just for clarification you won't get a website ban for ratings abuse. You can get ratings ban so you can't give ratings.

If this is the case, then I completely understand.

I still, personally, believe that the ratings are completely useless.

Notice blake's rating?

[KraphtOne]

Just so people know, these are the two cases that are being called into question. (look for my post on second page it discusses the second case)

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=239&t=180862