CC Religious Discrimination

[Funkyterrance]

As far as the symbol is concerned, I can tell the difference. Maybe you could ask if there is a way that your symbol can be used with the word Hindu in the image. The reason I suggest this, and that doesn't mean it will be allowed, is because maybe you are newly into this religion and for some reason this specific symbol relates to you. I don't know your situation, but if you feel that strongly about it, then you should maybe try to work with the mods on clarifying your stance rather than automatically claiming religious discrimination.

I think you will find your responses welcomed in those circumstances but they still may not agree with you.

I think this is a great idea and a good solution to a problem of differences. If someone Initially has a negative response to the image they will read the text and think: Hmm, maybe I should look into this before I complain.". That is, as long as the text is noticeable without a magnifying glass. It seems that no one who was actually using that avatar for innocent reasons would have a problem with this modification.

[kentington]

That is, as long as the text is noticeable without a magnifying glass. It seems that no one who was actually using that avatar for innocent reasons would have a problem with this modification.

Agreed. In actuality, someone using the avatar for innocent reasons should welcome the clarification. My uncle's name happens to be Jim Jones. Talk about discrimination, he always has to say "not that Jim Jones."

If you don't know what I am talking about, then look up "kool-aid" and cults.

[JBlombier]

I wish CC would discriminate against morons

Are you kidding us? That statement is baiting all people that responded here that have a different opinion than yours. You should be ashamed.

[bedub1]

As far as the symbol is concerned, I can tell the difference. Maybe you could ask if there is a way that your symbol can be used with the word Hindu in the image. The reason I suggest this, and that doesn't mean it will be allowed, is because maybe you are newly into this religion and for some reason this specific symbol relates to you. I don't know your situation, but if you feel that strongly about it, then you should maybe try to work with the mods on clarifying your stance rather than automatically claiming religious discrimination.

I think you will find your responses welcomed in those circumstances but they still may not agree with you.

I think this is a great idea and a good solution to a problem of differences. If someone Initially has a negative response to the image they will read the text and think: Hmm, maybe I should look into this before I complain.". That is, as long as the text is noticeable without a magnifying glass. It seems that no one who was actually using that avatar for innocent reasons would have a problem with this modification.

You guys are spot on. When it was brought to my attention by a CC representative, who was unaware that the swastika wasn't natively a Nazi symbol, I explained the difference and educated the person. To help avoid future issues I updated my Signature with a link to the Wikipedia website where I found the image. I thought we had resolved the issue through education, but I was mistaken as I was simply being placated.

I attempted to escalate the issue, but it was as the ownership/management of the site went through changes, so it was dropped, and I also figured I'd cut the new guy a break. Instead of attempting to beat a dead horse with CC leadership, I felt it was necessary to bring this to the community at larges attention.

I don't have any problems adding the word Hindu to the image, in fact I think it's a good idea. I also think it would be cool if it had more color and depth to it. Any Photoshop experts want to help out?

I really like this picture that was posted to Reddit yesterday, but it seems to lack the clarity and simpleness of the original, potentially leading to even more confusion. This is part of the reason I chose the representation from Wikipedia. It would make it very easy to image search it, and to learn about it.

[kentington]

I would suggest that you send a pm to the original person who dealt with the issue and cc rdsrds2120, even me if you want.
Petition your request to have this symbol with the wording clearly represented and see where it goes from there.

rdsrds2120, he is a great guy and no one here can nay say that. If he finds that it falls within the sites rules to allow it then great. If he doesn't, then it has nothing to do with religion. He is one of the least prejudiced persons I know.

Good Luck.

[BGtheBrain]

Im just confused...
if the image is banned and CC discriminates, why arent they being removed from these threads?

Maybe you were asked to take the avatar down because you were being needlessly controversial in a discussion about controversial avatars? Just a thought...

I did go through some of your old posts too... maybe something about this line may have had something to do with it also

Now they want us to attack Iran. They want us to fight their battles for them. I'm seriously tired of them. f*ck the Jews.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=178429

I dont know, but when I see a guy with a hindu image that closely resembles a swastika, and then read something like that, I kind of think the guy should take down the avatar...

[bedub1]

Im just confused...
if the image is banned and CC discriminates, why arent they being removed from these threads?

Maybe you were asked to take the avatar down because you were being needlessly controversial in a discussion about controversial avatars? Just a thought...

I did go through some of your old posts too... maybe something about this line may have had something to do with it also

Now they want us to attack Iran. They want us to fight their battles for them. I'm seriously tired of them. f*ck the Jews.

http://www.conquerclub.com/forum/viewto ... 8&t=178429

I dont know, but when I see a guy with a hindu image that closely resembles a swastika, and then read something like that, I kind of think the guy should take down the avatar...

The Hindu image doesn't closely resemble a swastika, it IS a swastika.
I posted that on September 18th. I changed my avatar on October 23rd. The two aren't related.

Did you read the rest of the post? Do you understand why I said what I said? Do you realize that Israel is trying to goad the US into a war with Iran, that could potentially turn nuclear, decimating the planet? I didn't say "f*ck them" because of their race, I said it because of their actions. I'll continue to use harsh language like that against people that are trying to start wars.

You really should quote the entire statement too so you have some context:

I'm starting to get tired of Israel. I think they need to learn to defend themselves. I think they need to become self-sufficient. I think the US needs to stop paying their way. No more bailing them out. There isn't anything special about them, besides their massive superiority complex.

I just read an article about how the US taxpayers have contributed more to the Israeli defense budget than Israeli taxpayers over the past 3 years.

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012/09/ ... -israelis/

American taxpayers give Israel over $3 billion per year (over $8 million per day), more than to any other nation, despite the fact that Israel is smaller than New Jersey and is in the top 30 richest countries in the world.

Now they want us to attack Iran. They want us to fight their battles for them. I'm seriously tired of them. f*ck the Jews.

In hindsight I probably shouldn't have used the word "Jews". I probably should have used "Israel", as it's more specific to the nation and it's citizens, as opposed to Jews that live in the US/other countries and don't support the actions of the nation of Israel. It's hard to figure out which word to use when they are a Nation, a Race, and a Religion. Regardless they are not above criticism for their actions. Just yesterday they assassinated a head of state. Again, f*ck them. It's time to end this 4000 year old war, time to them to learn to live in peace and harmony with their neighbors.

Why are you digging through my past posts? Why are you making shit up, flaming me, and baiting other users in this thread? It seems like you are actively going out of your way, TRYING to find some reason to be offended.

[AAFitz]

To my knowledge, only the Nazi swastika is being sanctioned on CC.

By sanctioned, I assume (hope) you meant discouraged.

Unless sactioned is used in the meaning of say.... the Eiger Sanction.

[AAFitz]

Im just confused...
if the image is banned and CC discriminates, why arent they being removed from these threads?

Maybe you were asked to take the avatar down because you were being needlessly controversial in a discussion about controversial avatars? Just a thought...

I did go through some of your old posts too... maybe something about this line may have had something to do with it also

Now they want us to attack Iran. They want us to fight their battles for them. I'm seriously tired of them. f*ck the Jews.

viewtopic.php?f=8&t=178429

I dont know, but when I see a guy with a hindu image that closely resembles a swastika, and then read something like that, I kind of think the guy should take down the avatar...

The Hindu image doesn't closely resemble a swastika, it IS a swastika.
I posted that on September 18th. I changed my avatar on October 23rd. The two aren't related.

Did you read the rest of the post? Do you understand why I said what I said? Do you realize that Israel is trying to goad the US into a war with Iran, that could potentially turn nuclear, decimating the planet? I didn't say "f*ck them" because of their race, I said it because of their actions. I'll continue to use harsh language like that against people that are trying to start wars.

You really should quote the entire statement too so you have some context:

I'm starting to get tired of Israel. I think they need to learn to defend themselves. I think they need to become self-sufficient. I think the US needs to stop paying their way. No more bailing them out. There isn't anything special about them, besides their massive superiority complex.

I just read an article about how the US taxpayers have contributed more to the Israeli defense budget than Israeli taxpayers over the past 3 years.

http://www.veteransnewsnow.com/2012/09/ ... -israelis/

American taxpayers give Israel over $3 billion per year (over $8 million per day), more than to any other nation, despite the fact that Israel is smaller than New Jersey and is in the top 30 richest countries in the world.

Now they want us to attack Iran. They want us to fight their battles for them. I'm seriously tired of them. f*ck the Jews.

In hindsight I probably shouldn't have used the word "Jews". I probably should have used "Israel", as it's more specific to the nation and it's citizens, as opposed to Jews that live in the US/other countries and don't support the actions of the nation of Israel. It's hard to figure out which word to use when they are a Nation, a Race, and a Religion. Regardless they are not above criticism for their actions. Just yesterday they assassinated a head of state. Again, f*ck them. It's time to end this 4000 year old war, time to them to learn to live in peace and harmony with their neighbors.

Why are you digging through my past posts? Why are you making shit up, flaming me, and baiting other users in this thread? It seems like you are actively going out of your way, TRYING to find some reason to be offended.

Maybe, but to me it seems like hes calling you out on exactly what you were doing.

[bedub1]

Maybe, but to me it seems like hes calling you out on exactly what you were doing.

I'm sorry that this is your impression. We could digress into a long conversation about me, my ideas, my thoughts, my motivations, my desires, my beliefs, but I don't think it would be beneficial and productive, or even relevant. I'm also not sure if I care to share with the community at large these things.

To help us refocus on the topic at hand, I've created a simple poll.

[kentington]

We could digress into a long conversation about me, my ideas, my thoughts, my motivations, my desires, my beliefs, but I don't think it would be beneficial and productive, or even relevant. I'm also not sure if I care to share with the community at large these things.

Just out of curiosity. You mentioned earlier that your belief was personal and added with this comment:
Why would you not want to share your religion with the community and yet have the symbol of your religion as your avatar?

[bedub1]

We could digress into a long conversation about me, my ideas, my thoughts, my motivations, my desires, my beliefs, but I don't think it would be beneficial and productive, or even relevant. I'm also not sure if I care to share with the community at large these things.

Just out of curiosity. You mentioned earlier that your belief was personal and added with this comment:
Why would you not want to share your religion with the community and yet have the symbol of your religion as your avatar?

For me personally, I find it's one thing to wear a badge or patch or tshirt or hat or something....it's another thing to delve into my life story.

[Funkyterrance]

We could digress into a long conversation about me, my ideas, my thoughts, my motivations, my desires, my beliefs, but I don't think it would be beneficial and productive, or even relevant. I'm also not sure if I care to share with the community at large these things.

Just out of curiosity. You mentioned earlier that your belief was personal and added with this comment:
Why would you not want to share your religion with the community and yet have the symbol of your religion as your avatar?

For me personally, I find it's one thing to wear a badge or patch or tshirt or hat or something....it's another thing to delve into my life story.

Ok, but lets say you live in a neighborhood where people are more or less ignorant to the difference between your swastika patch and the nazi one. Would you not feel compelled to let people know what the difference was if you passed them in the hall and they skirted away from you?

[squishyg]

bedub, I agree that the Hindu swastika should be allowed and voted accordingly. I also agree that America should re-examine its seemingly blind support of Israel. But perhaps it's not a good idea to misappropriate another culture's religious symbol to make your political point.

[bedub1]

bedub, I agree that the Hindu swastika should be allowed and voted accordingly. I also agree that America should re-examine its seemingly blind support of Israel. But perhaps it's not a good idea to misappropriate another culture's religious symbol to make your political point.

I'm not trying to do that. You brought up the non-related thread about Israel. I'm not trying to make any political points with my avatar selection.

Ok, but lets say you live in a neighborhood where people are more or less ignorant to the difference between your swastika patch and the nazi one. Would you not feel compelled to let people know what the difference was if you passed them in the hall and they skirted away from you?

Yes but I wouldn't drag out a soapbox and start preaching. I'd have casual conversations with individuals and small groups and we'd all have a discussion.