CC Religious Discrimination

[bedub1]

The fact is that the guy used it only for trolling the mods, not because he wanted it as an avatar. Other than this the avatar was no way offensive, but we all know why he used it.

LIES! Who do you think you are that you know my internal motivations for my actions? Are my privy to my inner most private thoughts? LIES! Stop making things up and stick to facts.

[AndyDufresne]

Betiko, you should know better than to make informed inferences.


--Andy

[bedub1]

are some of official can answer on pool question? are Hindu swastika really forbidden here in CC ?

Just like very few things on the site, it isn't strictly banned. This question dilutes the situation's context that bedub is talking about.

BMO

Yes as the situation was initially me receiving hate mail and a flame from an Admin on this website, I had to narrow it down to the actual issue at hand. I found that removing myself from the discussion would further it and help us stay on track. People had stopped focusing on the topic and hand, and had started personal attacks on myself. They couldn't separate their thinking of ME from an image.

[bedub1]

This whole discussion started on a false pretense as a result of someone having a totenkopf in their avatar and eventually removed it as a gesture of goodwill when another player put up an Hindu swastika as a sort of "protest" to CC's standpoint on such matters; a tantrum of sorts. The fact of the matter is that no one was actually discriminated against on CC for their religion

This is not an accurate representation of the facts. It is an outright LIE.

That being said, if a symbol is considered offensive, even to one person, enough that said person files a complaint for the owner to take it down, I see this as reason enough for the owner to be a grown-up and change their avatar in the interest of the community as a whole.
I compare the whole business to the man running naked down the street complaining that it's unfair that he is made to put some clothes on; it's somewhat ridiculous and most definitely inconsiderate. No one needs to see that.

So if just one person finds something offensive, it should be removed? By that logic, I find your avatar offensive. Please be a grown-up and change it in the interest of the community as a hole.

As you might imagine I cannot agree with this flawed line of reasoning.

[bedub1]

the difference being that the tottenkopf on the avatar was without a doubt the SS one and couldn't be anything else (a google inverted search proved where he got it from).
This swastika isn't exactly a hindou symbol as it is used by many other religions including buddhism and represents eternity. Any Indian uses it, a bit like the peace and love sign. It doesn't look like the nazi one as it's always straight and the nazi one is always at 45 degrees.

I couldn't agree more.

The fact is that the guy used it only for trolling the mods, not because he wanted it as an avatar. Other than this the avatar was no way offensive, but we all know why he used it.

LIES!

[bedub1]

Betiko, you should know better than to make conjecture.


--Andy

FTFY

[bedub1]

In order to quell the personal attacks on myself and people making shit up about my internal motivations I will now explain them to you guys for the second time.

Here is my first explanation:

My avatar isn't vague and meaningless. I got the picture from the Wikipedia article http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swastika. It's a Buddhist symbol, translated to mean "being with higher self". I was born and raised Roman Catholic, but pulled back as I saw how absurd the entire religion/establishment is. For the longest time I've been agnostic/atheist. Lately I've been learning about Buddhism, and felt that it was time to adopt a symbol to show my new-found exploration into alternative ideologies. Plus it was time for the smiley face to go.

Additional Details:
As I mention I was born and raised Roman Catholic. I pulled back during 7th/8th grade/entering Highschool. During/after college I became and remained agnostic/atheist for over 10 years. In recent years I have learned just how destructive/horrible the Abrahamic religions are (Christians, Muslims, Jews), and how there is a strong divide between Abrahamic religions and non-Abrahamic religions. I came to learn of the Hindu's which I was unfamiliar, and the Buddhists which I already had a limited knowledge.

On a trip to Las Vegas for a Bachelor Party, I was reading random books on my new Barnes & Noble Nook Glow, and stumbled upon a book about Buddhism. I'm not sure if it was the trip to Sin-City, the words of the book, my experiences throughout the years, the recent Self-immolation by Tibetan Monks, but I had a sense of warmth and glow come about in myself. Upon returning home I was again on CC, and had a sense of urgency to replace my avatar. In an attempt to embody my new experiences and the journey I felt I was undertaking, I changed my avatar to the Non-Nazi Swastika. I was immediately met with intolerance, bigotry, hate, animosity, ignorance, flames, and finally hate mail. I attempted to explain, but was informed there was no appeal.

To this day I continue to fight for freedom of religion, and freedom of speech. As much as I despise the Abrahamic religions, I would never move to ban their symbols.

I have not re-appealed the decision against me as I have been waiting for enough people to vote in this poll so I could get a sense of the community at large. I willfully refused an order from an Admin, and lost my avatar privileges over it. I know I was in the right, as the avatar was fine, so I stood by, and continue to stand by my actions. As a martyr I understand that people will be punished for their faith, and standing by what you believe in doesn't come free; there are costs involved. I fight here not for my avatar privileges, but for the rights of all CC members to show the non-Nazi Swastika without fear of intimidation and reprise. For the rights of all CC members to post without fear of ignorant intolerant people oppressing their right of expression.

[Funkyterrance]

[Gillipig]

When someone distributes his message over more than two posts, he really doesn't have anything to say.

Thanks for saving me time CC Sense.

[AndyDufresne]

--Andy

[qwert]

hmm its look that i will be forced to open topic in QA forums,because here i will not get answer on mine question.

[bedub1]

When someone distributes his message over more than two posts, he really doesn't have anything to say.

Thanks for saving me time CC Sense.

My apologies Gillipig. There were so many people to respond to I made new posts. I find it hard to respond to a giant post. I should have merged some of them, but some aren't related to the others.

[BigBallinStalin]

hmm its look that i will be forced to open topic in QA forums,because here i will not get answer on mine question.

I'm here for you, babe. Ask your BBS anything, qwert. Anything at all; I'm here for you.

[qwert]

hmm its look that i will be forced to open topic in QA forums,because here i will not get answer on mine question.

I'm here for you, babe. Ask your BBS anything, qwert. Anything at all; I'm here for you.

are you call man and woman same "babe" ?
(and now real question)

qwert wrote:Consider that mine topic in CA are locked, and quite strange that for these need to be discussed behind scene, what i think that its not ok, i need to ask question,and if i can not get answer here,then i will open new topic in QA forum

1.Are mods have tools to remove AVATAR and NAME of any player who have inapropriate avatar and inapropriate name.

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the reason for these question are simple- i find many Hitlers-Wafenn SS-Schutstaffel-NaziGermany- players,and if mods can only block player ,and all these stay(like Hitler avatar who salute you) , then you need to create some tool who will remove complete player out of site.

[AndyDufresne]

hmm its look that i will be forced to open topic in QA forums,because here i will not get answer on mine question.

I'm here for you, babe. Ask your BBS anything, qwert. Anything at all; I'm here for you.

Is this a qwert only thing, or can I get in on this action too?


--Andy