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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby trinicardinal on Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:13 am

I should nominate this guy for the dice complainers award.... I'd try to explain statistics to him but I don't think he's interested in hearing it.
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby betiko on Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:27 am

yup. 6vs3 is "only" 76,9%, so it will not work roughly 1/4 times. dice would be rigged indeed if it worked all the time, but I guess he's not interested in listening to that.
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby AndyDufresne on Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:35 pm

Here is a cheat I documented long ago:

Subject: cheats for CC

AndyDufresne wrote:I'll be releasing a new version of 'Flying Monkey Assaulter.' For those of you unaware, my patented 'Flying Monkey Assaulter' gives you the advantage of assaulting your enemy from the above, stealing away their troops with little chance of defense against your rolls. Here is a pictorial representation of my product's effectiveness:

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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby AslanTheKing on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:38 pm

betiko wrote:I suggest you to use a notebook and write down every single roll you make on the site (so no more autos, carefull not to run out of time rolling 150 vs 150 lol) It's funny cause when i go on your overall battle outcome results on your page they are all positive in your CC lifetime! (i guess battle outcomes are quite more important than dice stats... you can still lose 2 troops rolling 666!)


i have no idea how to read or understand that battle outcome

can u explain in simple way?
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby AslanTheKing on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:45 pm

betiko wrote:yup. 6vs3 is "only" 76,9%, so it will not work roughly 1/4 times. dice would be rigged indeed if it worked all the time, but I guess he's not interested in listening to that.


why is is it easier to attack 5 vs 2 then, is the same percentage- or?
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby AslanTheKing on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:46 pm

trinicardinal wrote:I should nominate this guy for the dice complainers award.... I'd try to explain statistics to him but I don't think he's interested in hearing it.


yes i am interested, but when where u explaining it to me ? i cant recall it
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby betiko on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:52 pm

AslanTheKing wrote:
betiko wrote:I suggest you to use a notebook and write down every single roll you make on the site (so no more autos, carefull not to run out of time rolling 150 vs 150 lol) It's funny cause when i go on your overall battle outcome results on your page they are all positive in your CC lifetime! (i guess battle outcomes are quite more important than dice stats... you can still lose 2 troops rolling 666!)


i have no idea how to read or understand that battle outcome

can u explain in simple way?


basically there are 6 types of dice attacks possible, and they are all listed on your battle outcome page. Each of these attack types have a different success rate and you are given a +/-% compared to the normal success rate. You can see that you are far from unlucky, you are positive or neutral evrywhere.
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby betiko on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:53 pm

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betiko wrote:yup. 6vs3 is "only" 76,9%, so it will not work roughly 1/4 times. dice would be rigged indeed if it worked all the time, but I guess he's not interested in listening to that.


why is is it easier to attack 5 vs 2 then, is the same percentage- or?


it is roughly the same thing, 78,5%, just slightly better. you should install the attack odds tool.
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby ManBungalow on Fri Feb 08, 2013 6:57 pm

AslanTheKing wrote:
betiko wrote:yup. 6vs3 is "only" 76,9%, so it will not work roughly 1/4 times. dice would be rigged indeed if it worked all the time, but I guess he's not interested in listening to that.


why is is it easier to attack 5 vs 2 then, is the same percentage- or?

The probability of wining 5vs2 is 0.7854543150565148.
And for 6vs3 - as noted - is 0.7693748566489697.

So roughly the same.

However, remember that this is only if you use every last troop possible, even if that means attacking with only one die.
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby xeno on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:00 pm

I do. And if you don't like the dice so much throw that premium my way ill be a higher rank than you in less than a day
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby AslanTheKing on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:28 pm

xeno wrote:I do. And if you don't like the dice so much throw that premium my way ill be a higher rank than you in less than a day


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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby AslanTheKing on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:33 pm

betiko wrote:
AslanTheKing wrote:
betiko wrote:I suggest you to use a notebook and write down every single roll you make on the site (so no more autos, carefull not to run out of time rolling 150 vs 150 lol) It's funny cause when i go on your overall battle outcome results on your page they are all positive in your CC lifetime! (i guess battle outcomes are quite more important than dice stats... you can still lose 2 troops rolling 666!)


i have no idea how to read or understand that battle outcome

can u explain in simple way?


basically there are 6 types of dice attacks possible, and they are all listed on your battle outcome page. Each of these attack types have a different success rate and you are given a +/-% compared to the normal success rate. You can see that you are far from unlucky, you are positive or neutral evrywhere.



this 6 dice attack types, what is that again, im confused with the 1 vs 1 at the battle outcome page,
i cant attack 1 troop with 1
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby rhp 1 on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:48 pm

is this thread to be taken seriously? I'm finding that difficult to do...
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby betiko on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:49 pm

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betiko wrote:
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betiko wrote:I suggest you to use a notebook and write down every single roll you make on the site (so no more autos, carefull not to run out of time rolling 150 vs 150 lol) It's funny cause when i go on your overall battle outcome results on your page they are all positive in your CC lifetime! (i guess battle outcomes are quite more important than dice stats... you can still lose 2 troops rolling 666!)


i have no idea how to read or understand that battle outcome

can u explain in simple way?


basically there are 6 types of dice attacks possible, and they are all listed on your battle outcome page. Each of these attack types have a different success rate and you are given a +/-% compared to the normal success rate. You can see that you are far from unlucky, you are positive or neutral evrywhere.



this 6 dice attack types, what is that again, im confused with the 1 vs 1 at the battle outcome page,
i cant attack 1 troop with 1


it's the number of dice you roll. 1v1 dice rolled is actually a 2 territory attacking a 1.
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby betiko on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:51 pm

rhp 1 wrote:is this thread to be taken seriously? I'm finding that difficult to do...


aslan seems willing to listen to mathematical facts, no reason not to end a joke thread into a serious one! ;)
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby spiesr on Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:53 pm

The six different types of possible assaults (based on dice) are:
3 vs 2
3 vs 1
2 vs 2
2 vs 1
1 vs 2
1 vs 1
These are the number of dice rolled, not the number of troops involved. (IE 2 vs 2 is when both the attacker and defender roll 2 dice.) The results are kept on a per roll basis, and do not reflect overall battle result.
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby AslanTheKing on Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:08 pm

spiesr wrote:The six different types of possible assaults (based on dice) are:
3 vs 2
3 vs 1
2 vs 2
2 vs 1
1 vs 2
1 vs 1
These are the number of dice rolled, not the number of troops involved. (IE 2 vs 2 is when both the attacker and defender roll 2 dice.) The results are kept on a per roll basis, and do not reflect overall battle result.


so lets say i did sign up today and have played no game yet,
in my first game and attack , i would have dice ( n ot troops ) 3 vs 2 ( where 3 is the attacker ? and 2 the defender ? )

and my 3 dice have 6 6 1, and my opponent with his 2 dice has 6 6

what would my battle outcome look like in percentage ?

right now i have assault - 4 ( minus 4 )
total - 4 ( minus 4 )

and when do i have 3 dice, and when do i have 2 dice ? and when do i have 1 dice
i have to start studying and understanding this, otherwise i will carry on entertaining u with my conspiracy posts
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby betiko on Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:31 pm

AslanTheKing wrote:
spiesr wrote:The six different types of possible assaults (based on dice) are:
3 vs 2
3 vs 1
2 vs 2
2 vs 1
1 vs 2
1 vs 1
These are the number of dice rolled, not the number of troops involved. (IE 2 vs 2 is when both the attacker and defender roll 2 dice.) The results are kept on a per roll basis, and do not reflect overall battle result.


so lets say i did sign up today and have played no game yet,
in my first game and attack , i would have dice ( n ot troops ) 3 vs 2 ( where 3 is the attacker ? and 2 the defender ? )

and my 3 dice have 6 6 1, and my opponent with his 2 dice has 6 6

what would my battle outcome look like in percentage ?

right now i have assault - 4 ( minus 4 )
total - 4 ( minus 4 )

and when do i have 3 dice, and when do i have 2 dice ? and when do i have 1 dice
i have to start studying and understanding this, otherwise i will carry on entertaining u with my conspiracy posts


to roll 3 attacker dice you need minimum a 4 stack as the troop holding the territory doesn t attack.
if you stop there after your example, you would have a battle outcome of -100% on the 3vs2

for attack:
3 dice with a 4 stack minimum
2 dice for a 3 stack ect

for defense:
2 dice for 2 and over
1 for 1

in case of draw, the defender always wins.
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby xeno on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:44 am

AslanTheKing wrote:
xeno wrote:I do. And if you don't like the dice so much throw that premium my way ill be a higher rank than you in less than a day


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I think if I had a job and saw that membership was going to stabilize I might put 25 down for premium but the last time I bought premium it was five bucks cheaper and there were more people here and I still thought lack was ripping us off
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby chang50 on Sat Feb 09, 2013 1:51 am

AslanTheKing wrote:
spiesr wrote:The six different types of possible assaults (based on dice) are:
3 vs 2
3 vs 1
2 vs 2
2 vs 1
1 vs 2
1 vs 1
These are the number of dice rolled, not the number of troops involved. (IE 2 vs 2 is when both the attacker and defender roll 2 dice.) The results are kept on a per roll basis, and do not reflect overall battle result.


so lets say i did sign up today and have played no game yet,
in my first game and attack , i would have dice ( n ot troops ) 3 vs 2 ( where 3 is the attacker ? and 2 the defender ? )

and my 3 dice have 6 6 1, and my opponent with his 2 dice has 6 6

what would my battle outcome look like in percentage ?

right now i have assault - 4 ( minus 4 )
total - 4 ( minus 4 )

and when do i have 3 dice, and when do i have 2 dice ? and when do i have 1 dice
i have to start studying and understanding this, otherwise i will carry on entertaining u with my conspiracy posts


Not having a go but don't you think you should have discovered this very basic information first before accusing your fellow players of cheating?
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby betiko on Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:34 am

xeno wrote:
AslanTheKing wrote:
xeno wrote:I do. And if you don't like the dice so much throw that premium my way ill be a higher rank than you in less than a day


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I think if I had a job and saw that membership was going to stabilize I might put 25 down for premium but the last time I bought premium it was five bucks cheaper and there were more people here and I still thought lack was ripping us off


how much do you spend on weed per year?
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby xeno on Sat Feb 09, 2013 2:40 am

betiko wrote:
xeno wrote:
AslanTheKing wrote:
xeno wrote:I do. And if you don't like the dice so much throw that premium my way ill be a higher rank than you in less than a day


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( you can afford 25 dollars a year u cheap bug)

I think if I had a job and saw that membership was going to stabilize I might put 25 down for premium but the last time I bought premium it was five bucks cheaper and there were more people here and I still thought lack was ripping us off


how much do you spend on weed per year?

That's a subject for a different thread my man :mrgreen: :mrgreen:
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby Kaskavel on Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:29 am

AslanTheKing wrote:
spiesr wrote:The six different types of possible assaults (based on dice) are:
3 vs 2
3 vs 1
2 vs 2
2 vs 1
1 vs 2
1 vs 1
These are the number of dice rolled, not the number of troops involved. (IE 2 vs 2 is when both the attacker and defender roll 2 dice.) The results are kept on a per roll basis, and do not reflect overall battle result.


so lets say i did sign up today and have played no game yet,
in my first game and attack , i would have dice ( n ot troops ) 3 vs 2 ( where 3 is the attacker ? and 2 the defender ? )

and my 3 dice have 6 6 1, and my opponent with his 2 dice has 6 6

what would my battle outcome look like in percentage ?

right now i have assault - 4 ( minus 4 )
total - 4 ( minus 4 )

and when do i have 3 dice, and when do i have 2 dice ? and when do i have 1 dice
i have to start studying and understanding this, otherwise i will carry on entertaining u with my conspiracy posts


They are two different things, the dice outcome and the battle outcome. In the case above (6,6,1 vs 6,6), your luck would be about +20% (6,6,1 is a good roll) vs +70% (6,6 is an even better roll). The numbers may be different, I am not sure how exactly the luck is determined, but the result is the same. You both get good luck, his luck better than yours, since you also drooped a 1. In battle outcomes, the programm compares the result of the battle cersus the expected result. The expected result is something like 1,1-0,9 for you (meaning that in 20 such battles you should win 11 and lose 9) and it ended 0-2, so it will offer a battle outcome luck of +220% for your opponent and the same or something similar for you, but minus.
So, those are 2 different things. You may have bad dice, but opponent even worse, or you may have good dice, but opponent even better. In my opinion, dice luck means nothing, except from the satisfaction to check if you roll all 6 outcomes at the same rate. Battle outcomes represent a game's total luck better, because at the very end, you care if you won the battle or not. Losing 6 vs 6 or 1 vs 6 makes no difference to the game. If you win many battles with 3 vs 2 or 4 vs 3, your dice luck will be worse compared to losing many battles with 6 vs 6 and 5 vs 5, but the second senario will offer you the game. A small problem here, is that it is not easy to check the individual luck per game, compared to opponent. I will go make that suggestion (a luck bar per game, showing who had the better battle outcomes per game) again in the suggestion forum at some point.
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby Kaskavel on Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:34 am

And perhaps, I was not clear enough. Luck 0% in battle outcomes 3 dice vs 2 dice +0% does not mean you won 10 battles and lost 10. It means you won 11 and lost 9. The program compares the battle outcomes with expected ones
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Re: How many at CC Cheat ?

Postby Kaskavel on Sat Feb 09, 2013 5:37 am

And do not ask me why roll dices have an average of 3.51, instead of 3.50 for all CC players. Only Chuck Norris knows why this happens, who, by the way, has an average luck of 6,01
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