Evil Semp wrote:
BigBallinStalin wrote:Makes sense, or at the very least, the C&A should lower their standard of proof in cases where two friends play with each other in public games.
This can be more of an informal rule--or perhaps stated clearly somewhere. E.g. "if you play public games with friends, and if you're suspected of cheating, then we'll use a lower standard of proof."
If we want to lower the burden of proof lets start with the forum users and see how it goes. For example if you post an X amount of times and someone accuses you of trolling we just accept the accusers word for it.
Do you really want two sets of rules?
Let me give you an example:
Say I play 10 public 8 man standards in the same game as spazzattack
(a friend of mine). Now after those 10 games I win 6, he 3 and someone else grabs another. Now I am capable of winning 6 from 10 8 man standards in a purely legitimate fashion - just about - and spazz is certainly capable of winning 3..but if those 10 games were pointed out to you through a secret diplomacy case, and you knew of the relationship between spazz and I (and in this case it would be very obvious), I would expect you to find us guilty of secret diplomacy even if the log did not show clearly that it had taken place.
I want a lower burden of proof in cases where a personal relationship is known and the win rates are high (remember in this situation combined we would have a 90% win rate...and I made this same point in the kiron xiangwang debacle).
Secret diplomacy in large standard games is one of the worst forms of cheating we can find here on CC, yet because it is difficult to prove from the logs, and because players say oh so innocently "I want to kill my real-life friends the most!" I feel more often than not that these kinds of cheaters get away with it.
Why is it so hard for CC to advise all players to avoid playing with real-life friends in large standard public games? It seems perfectly obvious to me that if, for example, there are 3 real-life friends in a public 8 man game that the deck has been stacked horrendously for the other 5, that secret diplomacy WILL be taking place, and that such actions should result in a ban.